50 murdered by Islamic terrorist.

Search
Go

Discussion Topic

Return to Forum List
This thread has been locked
Messages 41 - 60 of total 789 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 12, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
Imagine a world where network news ratings dropped during times of horrible events like this, during the immediate hours following the event, because our citizenry had respect for those involved....

...and weeks or months later, as legislation began to evolve related to those events, viewership of CSPAN rose dramatically?

That's the world I want to live in. Smart and compassionate.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jun 12, 2016 - 07:36pm PT
A Muslim slaughtered a bunch of gays. Is that too insensitive or something?

Strange as it feels, I have to side with Steve (Bluering) on this.

A man murdered a bunch of people in a gay nightclub. According to the evidence available, he was a Muslim, and was acting in accordance with his Muslim beliefs. So Steve's statement that "a Muslim slaughtered a bunch of gays" is not evidence of redneckism, Trumpism, Christism, or anything other ism. Just a clear and concise summary of what happened.

A man murdered fifty people, and wounded another fifty, because his religion said that was the right thing to do.

Are Muslims the only people who do horrible things on the basis of their beliefs? No. Not now, and not ever. But in this case, a man's Islamic faith convinced him that murdering gay people was what he ought to do.

I've disagreed with Steve in the past, as have many of you. But there is nothing to disagree with here.
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Jun 12, 2016 - 07:42pm PT
A man murdered 50 people.

Them being gay has nothing to do
with why the murderer did what
he did. If anything it's about
the murderers extremist view
and religion in general.

Nice try tho, Casper.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jun 12, 2016 - 07:46pm PT
Them being gay has nothing to do
with why the murderer did what
he did.

oh boy.

you go to hell for rejecting Jesus Christ as your Savior

oh boy.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jun 12, 2016 - 07:46pm PT
If anything it's about the murderers extremist view and religion in general.

That's what I was trying to say.

In this case the religion was Islam, and to pretend it wasn't is stupid. But yes, extremism and religion (often hand-in-hand) are the real issues.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
Jun 12, 2016 - 07:54pm PT
Christians just want them out of our bathrooms.

So you feel uncomfortable if the guy at the urinal next to you might be gay?

Pathetic.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jun 12, 2016 - 07:56pm PT
So we have a man here with a history of erratic violence against those close to him. A man who's ex-wife had to be physically "rescued" from him by her family.

He finds gay behavior to be revolting(as he told his father) or perhaps deep down..... he doesn't, and feels quite the opposite which cannot be allowed in his worldview. Image that rage boiling inside a nutcase.

But whatever his rationale we'll never know and he decided to leave the farm and take as many with him as possible.

Your only choices if ever confronted with the rare nutcase who is leaving the farm in such a manner are to 1) Die 2) Run 3) Kill them first.

Pretty much it. None of the usual wedge issues matter a bit.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jun 12, 2016 - 07:56pm PT
"So you feel uncomfortable if the guy at the urinal next to you might be gay?"


As long as he remembers to leave the seat up when he's finished, I don't care.
ground_up

Trad climber
mt. hood /baja
Jun 12, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
It is not a comfy safe world we live in . Another tragic , sad
episode. When will it stop ... we all wish to have that answer.
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jun 12, 2016 - 07:57pm PT
If this man had found Christ in his heart this tragedy would have never happened.



pretty good zing
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jun 12, 2016 - 07:59pm PT
So we have a man here with a history of erratic violence against those close to him. A man who's ex-wife had to be physically "rescued" from him by her family.

He finds gay behavior to be revolting(as he told his father) or perhaps deep down..... he doesn't, and feels quite the opposite which cannot be allowed in his worldview. Image that rage boiling inside a nutcase.

But whatever his rationale we'll never know and he decided to leave the farm and take as many with him as possible.

Your only choices if ever confronted with the rare nutcase who is leaving the farm in such a manner are to 1) Die 2) Run 3) Kill them first.

Pretty much it. None of the usual wedge issues matter a bit.

Lorenzo, you were looking for the reality lens? You can borrow it from Fear when he's done with it.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 12, 2016 - 08:01pm PT
Chrissies would not want to have transgender Muzzies in the stall next to their kid.
Almost as bad as having negroes drinking at the same water fountain.

Death to all Muzzies!!
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Jun 12, 2016 - 08:03pm PT
Nothing yet as to his mental capacity or stability.


uh, I don't know, investigated couple times by the FBI, has an odd quack of a dad, married a woman he met online within a couple months, beat her and divorced her a couple months later
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jun 12, 2016 - 08:12pm PT
Christians just want them out of our bathrooms. Islam wants them dead.


That f*#king sums it up! Perfectly.

You all have never met Jody. I'll be honest, he looks like a cop. Forgive me, I profiled him.

To him, I looked like a stoner. But my wife was with me and my son was there, so I must have looked somewhat responsible. And neebee and Susan were there.

We had a great breakfast meeting together a couple of years ago.

I had a good talk with Jody. I think you all would be amazed that the people you talk sh#t about are actually really good people.

Jody is a good person, trust me. So is Neebee. She's actually sweeter in person if you can believe it.

That kind of kindness is almost indescribable. But I know some of you have seen it. It's there.

EDIT: I'd like to add that I'm no chump either. I can see a bullsh#t-artist through NY art exhibit.

I'm a unusually great judge of character. Gimme 2 minutes w/somebody. I'll tell you whether they're full of sh#t or not.


High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jun 12, 2016 - 08:20pm PT
Can anyone confirm Mateen had a science degree as Sycorax posted?

So I just found it: Mateen acquired an Assoc of Science degree in Criminal Justice in 2006 apparently. Far cry from a science degree, sycorax.
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
Jun 12, 2016 - 08:23pm PT
But my wife was with me and my son was there, so I must have looked somewhat responsible.

Deep cover. BTW...how is J? He must be like in third grade now?

Susan
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Jun 12, 2016 - 08:31pm PT
Deep cover. BTW...how is J? He must be like in third grade now?

Susan


John's progressing to third grade! We'll be at the Shuteye Gig in 2 weekends, be good to se you again!

Cool to see Jody again too! Jody, go to the Shuteye Reunion Gig!!!! Be good to see you again.
couchmaster

climber
Jun 12, 2016 - 10:11pm PT
I'm with Moof who noted, quote:
"Give someone a hug, do something good, and keep it all in perspective. As horrible as it is, 3 times as many people die in random car crashes everyday, and twice as many die from assorted shootings everyday. Don't let the warmongers commit further war and further expand the surviellance state in the name of the dead. Stay vigilent for such opportunistic moves."

That said, it's a horrifying act. ISIS said that there would be more attacks starting with Ramadan and called this Florida attack 3 days before it occurred. I just saw a gay guys soliloquy noting that he was going to vote for Trump now. This guy needs to re-read the above paragraph and ignore that Iran routinely hangs gays for just being homosexual because neither Hillary or Trump can do jack about it. Titled "I'm a gay activist, here ya are....


"
I'm a Gay Activist, and After Orlando, I Have Switched My Vote to Trump


This is the saddest day of my life. I can't even wrap my mind around the horror of what happened last night in Orlando, where 50 joyful dancing queers were murdered by a religious extremist. I'm sad -- devastated, in my soul -- about that; but I'm also sad that the events of Orlando have shattered my political beliefs, as I can no longer swear allegiance to a peace-love-and-unicorns progressive philosophy that only helps to get my fellow queers killed.

Yes, there is a war between religious fundamentalism and the spirit of love and tolerance. But we progressives here in America still labor under the delusion that the religion we need to combat is Christianity. But that's a strawman opponent, and has been so for decades. Since the 1990s, Christian extremists have essentially lost all their power, and are now toothless nonplayers in the "culture wars." Meanwhile, Muslim extremists, with guns, murder us, and on the left our only response is to bleat about "Islamophobia" and jump through hoops trying to explain away the self-evident religious motivation for the killings.

Oh sure, all year I've been playing the "Bernie or Hillary?" game with all the other default-Democrats in my social and professional circles. But this is no longer some kind of game. Our lives are on the line. Although I voted for Hillary in the primary, I now cringe inwardly with shame and embarrassment at having done so, and in November I will vote for Trump.

Why? Yes, I know that Trump is an a**hole, Trump is a clown, Trump is a motormouth buffoon. You don't have to convince me of that. But he's also the only person saying anything about putting the brakes on Islamic extremism, and in light of what happened last night in Orlando, suddenly that is the only issue that really matters when it comes to the health, well-being and safety of the queer community.

As an aside, Trump has never said anything homophobic, and has always gotten along well with the gay community in New York, so there's that in his favor as well.

I also now realize, with brutal clarity, that in the progressive hierarchy of identity groups, Muslims are above gays. Every pundit and politician -- and that includes President Obama and Hillary Clinton and half the talking heads on TV -- who today have said "We don't know what the shooter's motivation could possibly be!" have revealed to me their true priorities: appeasing Muslims is more important than defending the lives of gay people. Every progressive who runs interference for Islamic murderers is complicit in those murders, and I can no longer be a part of that team.

I'm just sick of it. Sick of the hypocrisy. Sick of the pandering. Sick of the deception.

And you know what makes me angrier still? The fact that I have to hide my identity and remain anonymous in writing this essay. If I outed myself as a Trump supporter, I would be harassed and doxxed and shunned by everyone I know and by the Twitter lynch mobs which up until yesterday I myself led.

I am ashamed. I am angry. And I am sad. I don't want to vote for Trump, but I must. And if you care about the safety of the gay community in America, so must you."

http://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/06/12/gay-activist-after-orlando-trump-voter/?singlepage=true


High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Jun 12, 2016 - 10:35pm PT
Perhaps worth a look...

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jun 12, 2016 - 11:28pm PT
I think because I had the gaul to state that a Muslim shot up a gay bar and slaughtered a bunch of people because they were not Islamic enough.

Couldn't possibly have been because they were gay.

It would be JUST as accurate, and misleading to say "an American shot up a gay bar and slaughtered a bunch of people"

What actions should be taken against Americans? Should they be allowed visas into Europe?
Messages 41 - 60 of total 789 in this topic << First  |  < Previous  |  Show All  |  Next >  |  Last >>
Return to Forum List
 
Our Guidebooks
spacerCheck 'em out!
SuperTopo Guidebooks

guidebook icon
Try a free sample topo!

 
SuperTopo on the Web

Recent Route Beta