50 murdered by Islamic terrorist.

Genocide against 1.6 billion Muslims. It's the only answer.

what a sad thing that someone with a concealed carry was not there to stop the murders.

There was an earlier, dedicated thread on this subject...it disappeared. Anybody know what happened?

Genocide against 1.6 billion Muslims. It's the only answer.

Saddle up Chrissies. We got 1.6 billion Muzzies to kill!!

You better be really f*#king careful

Do you realize how creepy it is to say that Bluey?

Susan

That was not gall bluetard.

Plain ignorant spew, again.

Look up Gaul for your history lesson today.

Fat male with gun. Again. -Sycorax

Where is the outrage?

Disgusting and despicable. -Cragman

CNN & Fox are shitholes because morons watch that sh#t.

That's called choice...and we can choose to give it a bit of time...out of respect...before we descend into our own selfish political agendas (mine included).

I promise that you and I will probably be on the same side at that time.

Homosexuality is a sin...

Right???...

Aren't many of the people that were murdered going to hell???...

A Muslim slaughtered a bunch of gays. Is that too insensitive or something?

Them being gay has nothing to do
with why the murderer did what
he did.

you go to hell for rejecting Jesus Christ as your Savior

If anything it's about the murderers extremist view and religion in general.

Christians just want them out of our bathrooms.

If this man had found Christ in his heart this tragedy would have never happened.

So we have a man here with a history of erratic violence against those close to him. A man who's ex-wife had to be physically "rescued" from him by her family.

He finds gay behavior to be revolting(as he told his father) or perhaps deep down..... he doesn't, and feels quite the opposite which cannot be allowed in his worldview. Image that rage boiling inside a nutcase.

But whatever his rationale we'll never know and he decided to leave the farm and take as many with him as possible.

Your only choices if ever confronted with the rare nutcase who is leaving the farm in such a manner are to 1) Die 2) Run 3) Kill them first.

Pretty much it. None of the usual wedge issues matter a bit.

Nothing yet as to his mental capacity or stability.

Christians just want them out of our bathrooms. Islam wants them dead.

But my wife was with me and my son was there, so I must have looked somewhat responsible.

Deep cover. BTW...how is J? He must be like in third grade now?

Susan

"Give someone a hug, do something good, and keep it all in perspective. As horrible as it is, 3 times as many people die in random car crashes everyday, and twice as many die from assorted shootings everyday. Don't let the warmongers commit further war and further expand the surviellance state in the name of the dead. Stay vigilent for such opportunistic moves."

"
I'm a Gay Activist, and After Orlando, I Have Switched My Vote to Trump


This is the saddest day of my life. I can't even wrap my mind around the horror of what happened last night in Orlando, where 50 joyful dancing queers were murdered by a religious extremist. I'm sad -- devastated, in my soul -- about that; but I'm also sad that the events of Orlando have shattered my political beliefs, as I can no longer swear allegiance to a peace-love-and-unicorns progressive philosophy that only helps to get my fellow queers killed.

Yes, there is a war between religious fundamentalism and the spirit of love and tolerance. But we progressives here in America still labor under the delusion that the religion we need to combat is Christianity. But that's a strawman opponent, and has been so for decades. Since the 1990s, Christian extremists have essentially lost all their power, and are now toothless nonplayers in the "culture wars." Meanwhile, Muslim extremists, with guns, murder us, and on the left our only response is to bleat about "Islamophobia" and jump through hoops trying to explain away the self-evident religious motivation for the killings.

Oh sure, all year I've been playing the "Bernie or Hillary?" game with all the other default-Democrats in my social and professional circles. But this is no longer some kind of game. Our lives are on the line. Although I voted for Hillary in the primary, I now cringe inwardly with shame and embarrassment at having done so, and in November I will vote for Trump.

Why? Yes, I know that Trump is an a**hole, Trump is a clown, Trump is a motormouth buffoon. You don't have to convince me of that. But he's also the only person saying anything about putting the brakes on Islamic extremism, and in light of what happened last night in Orlando, suddenly that is the only issue that really matters when it comes to the health, well-being and safety of the queer community.

As an aside, Trump has never said anything homophobic, and has always gotten along well with the gay community in New York, so there's that in his favor as well.

I also now realize, with brutal clarity, that in the progressive hierarchy of identity groups, Muslims are above gays. Every pundit and politician -- and that includes President Obama and Hillary Clinton and half the talking heads on TV -- who today have said "We don't know what the shooter's motivation could possibly be!" have revealed to me their true priorities: appeasing Muslims is more important than defending the lives of gay people. Every progressive who runs interference for Islamic murderers is complicit in those murders, and I can no longer be a part of that team.

I'm just sick of it. Sick of the hypocrisy. Sick of the pandering. Sick of the deception.

And you know what makes me angrier still? The fact that I have to hide my identity and remain anonymous in writing this essay. If I outed myself as a Trump supporter, I would be harassed and doxxed and shunned by everyone I know and by the Twitter lynch mobs which up until yesterday I myself led.

I am ashamed. I am angry. And I am sad. I don't want to vote for Trump, but I must. And if you care about the safety of the gay community in America, so must you."

I think because I had the gaul to state that a Muslim shot up a gay bar and slaughtered a bunch of people because they were not Islamic enough.

Armed or not, 99% of the time untrained people are going to run away with the rest of the crowd. It's just human nature.

I'll say the words, "radical Islamism" -hrc

yes,
progress...

Another step in emasculating Trump.

TO Mr. Obama:
"Knock Knock. Who's there? It's NOT the gun. It's NOT the gun, who? Wake up, It's not the GUN dummy... It's YOUR JV Team!!!

France, specifically Paris, is a GUN FREE PROHIBITED ZONE where any type of GUN ownership by civilians is prohibited and against French law.

Hmmmm... that DID NOT stop this Ideological brutal ISIS attack where lots of "HIGH POWERED/AUTOMATIC RIFLES" were specifically used to carry out this slaughter.

Does it really need to get any simpler?

Oh, I know, maybe if they start car bombing and using suicide bombers (just like they are doing in Baghdad at this very moment) where far more innocent Americans will be indiscriminately massacred, maybe that will ring the bell and open eyes.

Unfkingbelieveable

The vast majority of the time those people are peaceful and non-violent

well,, thank goodness you defend my right to be. we wouldn't want to start thinking that you are a radical extremist. -john m

Adventurer: . . . JUST ASK YOURSELF WHAT OUR ROADS WOULD BE LIKE IF NO SUCH REGULATIONS EXISTED AND DRIVING WAS A FREE FOR ALL!

you edited out some of your nastier comments HFCS

"we all know" wink wink..

you are saying you didn't edit out a "we all know" comment? just recently.. -John M

nope.. saw it.. you posted it. You have a history of back editing and then not taking responsibility for it by not posting "edited" when you change a post.

. I don't delete if posts are responded to.

we all know that christians faith isn't based on evidence"

Are you on any meds right now?

I may at times be mistaken, but I do not lie. -John M

"we all know that christians faith isn't based on evidence"? You edited it out.

Put away the bottle, it's too early still?

HFCS wrote this. just making sure you can't pretend innocence.

delete your comments about me being on meds or drinking.. And I will delete my posts.. -jm

Does Daddy need to put you two into time out

you are a f*#king pansy for hiding your identity.. -john M

I already gave my word. Unlike you... -John M

Who are you? Does anyone here know who you are that can vouch for you?

Does anyone here know who you are... John M

you are the first person to vouch for him -john m

I believe that you are a coward. -John M

a Martian? or english posting marmot? or cyberbot? lol

vouching for HFCS

He insults people then hides. -john m

Norton...in the years that he has been on the forum, you are the first person to vouch for him.

t's time to change the laws for AR-15s and similar weapons. Require registration, with a renewal every two years. Complete background checks with every registration/renewal. Increase the thoroughness of background checks. Lower the standard for flagging applicants. If someone has been a person of interest, dig a little deeper. Anyone charged with felony should scrutinized further.

It's time for change.

t's time to change the laws for AR-15s and similar weapons. Require registration, with a renewal every two years. Complete background checks with every registration/renewal. Increase the thoroughness of background checks. Lower the standard for flagging applicants. If someone has been a person of interest, dig a little deeper. Anyone charged with felony should scrutinized further.

It's time for change.

"And Locker, I don't consider you to be dregs."...

What happened to the gun show loophole? I thought we were going to fix that and everything was going to be better? Because, as we all know thousands of people were dying as a result of the egregious lapse in government oversight! A travesty I tell you! Lol.

A bi-polar, abusive, unhinged, religious zealot, who had already passed through the extensive background checks to become an ARMED security guard and even survived direct scrutiny of the FBI goes off the deep end and what do we call for? Expanded background checks for guns, of course.

Good lord.

It's time to change the laws for AR-15s and similar weapons. Require registration, with a renewal every two years. Complete background checks with every registration/renewal. Increase the thoroughness of background checks. Lower the standard for flagging applicants. If someone has been a person of interest, dig a little deeper. Anyone charged with felony should scrutinized further.

It's time for change.

What happened to the gun show loophole?

Not a fan of assault weapons.

Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people in Oklahoma City; Omar Mateen, 50 so far in Orlando.

The USA has a problem with homegrown terrorists who kill their own, aided and abetted by most Republican senators who make assault rifles freely available to any loon.

It's time to change the laws for AR-15s and similar weapons. Require registration, with a renewal every two years. Complete background checks with every registration/renewal. Increase the thoroughness of background checks. Lower the standard for flagging applicants. If someone has been a person of interest, dig a little deeper. Anyone charged with felony should scrutinized further.

Or ignoring it altogether, and accepting it as a 'normal' part of this society we live in...

Edit:
I might be able to get behind the idea of not reacting immediately with a bunch of laws, or at the very least, allowing enough time to understand this issue better and create intelligent legislation around it.

The problem is that the NRA will be doing everything they can to prevent better understanding of this phenomenon, and politicizing it amongst their brainwashed membership to result in nothing being done at all.

One reasonable law, in my mind: ABOLISH THE NRA.

Yeah, up to 13 shots a second. An absolute necessity for hunting and gun ranges, not to mention Freedom.

Nothing needs to be done bad people don't obey laws.

They run red lights, see, laws did nothing there.

Homosexual acts are a sin

piss off locker..

you don't hide your identity. so if someone really wanted to find you, they could.

Why can't we just for a little while--mourn the deaths of 50 fellow Americans, and both hope and pray for the recovery of those wounded?

Why can't the President of the United States utter the words Islamic Terrorism?

This was an atrocity. It doesn't matter to me whether they were straight, gay, or anything in between. They're dead Americans, and I'm pissed.

According to the news reports I've heard, the shooter was a Muslim. He was also reported to have called 911 and proclaimed his allegiance to ISIS. ISIS is now claiming responsibility.

Q fukkin ED.

According to the news reports I've heard, the shooter was a Muslim. He was also reported to have called 911 and proclaimed his allegiance to ISIS. ISIS is now claiming responsibility.

Why? Because it paints a whole bunch of people who had nothing to do with it.

When Jesus returns.

It may be a cost of the free society in which we live, apogee. If we move toward being a police state by restricting free exercise of religion, or free association, or free speech, the right to be free of unreasonable searches and siezures, or the right to keep and bear arms, in an effort to stop this sort of terrorism, haven't the terrorists already succeeded in destroying our society?

We need to have some of the fortitude shown by the Brits in the midst of the terrorist attacks by the IRA. They refused to let the threat of terrorism cause them to change their essential way of life. Whatever we do to root out this evil should not be at the expense of the Bill of Rights. Sad to say, I expect calls to erode those freedoms from both the right and the left. These are not easy times for our country and society. I hope we are up to the task.

And Mick, I have no doubt that the presence of firearms affects the number of firearm homicides, but the causation isn't crystal clear. The table above shows an imperfect correlation. In any case, the history of the founding of the United States gave the framers a strong distrust of allowing the government to disarm its citizens. I don't think that distrust has disappeared sufficiently to change the Second Amendment.

The 2nd Amendment has long outlived its usefulness and should be repealed or modified substantially. The days when citizens could keep government from overreaching by simply arming themselves has long passed.

Curt

"Odd how many Americans invoke the 2nd Amendment to justify gun ownership, rather than explore whether or not it's a good idea." -Neil deGrasse Tyson

Comey also revealed new details about Mateen’s conversations with a 911 dispatcher early Sunday morning as the American-born perpetrator was carrying out the bloodiest gun massacre in U.S. history, killing 49 people and wounding more than 50 others, at Pulse, a popular gay nightclub.

During the course of three phone conversations with the dispatcher, Comey said, Mateen pledged allegiance by name to the head of the Islamic State group, a reference to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Mateen also claimed solidarity during those calls to the Boston Marathon bombers and an American suicide bomber who blew himself up in Syria in 2014, the FBI director said.

But Comey also noted that some of Mateen’s comments, both Sunday morning and in the earlier statements that had triggered the FBI’s previous investigations, were “contradictory” and raised questions about precisely what terrorist groups he supported. For example, Comey noted, Mateen had been reported by his co-workers in 2013 to have claimed he was a member of Hezbollah — a Shia terrorist group that, Comey said, was a bitter enemy of the Islamic State.

I'm still in favor of the right of non-felon American adults to own guns for self-defense, both as a matter of constitutional law and policy, but restrictions on the types of guns seem reasonable to me.

Conservatives:"Don't say it has anything to do with guns!" Liberals:"Don't say it has anything to do with Islam!" -Bill Maher

I always find it ironic and puzzling when people question the need of a particular weapon for self defense purposes, when the weapon in question was just used to slaughter innocent people whom might have had a need for one in a self defense scenario.

Should we all walk around with AR-15

I don't know if anyone would have been saved by making these kinds of weapons illegal, but they really aren't necessary and they can certainly do a lot of damage. So really, why not make them illegal?

Individual freedom might be overrated.

Gwendolyn Patton, First Speaker of the Pink Pistols, an international GLBT self-defense organization, warns people not to jump immediately to the assailant’s guns as the object of blame, but to concentrate instead on Mateen’s violent acts. “The Pink Pistols gives condolences to all family and friends of those killed and injured at Pulse,” began Patton. “This is exactly the kind of heinous act that justifies our existence. At such a time of tragedy, let us not reach for the low-hanging fruit of blaming the killer’s guns. Let us stay focused on the fact that someone hated gay people so much they were ready to kill or injure so many. A human being did this. The human being’s tools are unimportant when compared to the bleakness of that person’s soul. I say again, GUNS did not do this. A human being did this, a dead human being. Our job now is not to demonize the man’s tools, but to condemn his acts and work to prevent such acts in the future.”

By your own admission, its highly questionable if anyone had been saved by making them illegal, so I would ask you the rhetorical what would be the point of outlawing them? Especially since many people use them for protection, hunting, and to support their 2nd Amendment rights (which has nothing to do with hunting to be clear). Same logic applies to virtually all small arms our military has access to.