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Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Jun 14, 2016 - 07:51am PT
^^^^

So--you were there and timed him? I call "BS."
zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 14, 2016 - 07:51am PT
My Orlando acquaintances, say they are looking for two more perps and wonder why it isn't National or we haven't seen it. Hard to see the fire for all the smoke.


In the early reporting of this tragedy I saw something that said the killer had made plans to return to his home. Also, there is some mention of him being a "regular" at the Pulse club.


The picture grew more complex as patrons of the Pulse came forward to say that they had seen the 29-year-old American-born Muslim there a number of times or that he had been using gay dating apps.

First one may explain why he chose a gun rather than a vest.

Second one is just plain interesting. Was a scoping out the joint or looking for dates?

Thirdly, what if the two other perps turn out to be a Rabbi and a Priest?



Just to keep things running on track, if he had chosen to hang all his victims there wouldn't be any dead people there today since there was a "concealed carry" guy on duty and he was indeed carrying. I do not know if his aim was true, but how many shots can somebody get off in the time it takes to do a habnginbg.



monolith

climber
state of being
Jun 14, 2016 - 07:53am PT
Bullshit BrokeDown.

You can listen to the audio as well as I can.

Do you need a link? I've already posted it.
WBraun

climber
Jun 14, 2016 - 07:54am PT
monolith the know it all as usual ...
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 14, 2016 - 07:54am PT
Bullshit Werner. Killers love to claim god and you know it. Just because they're not real men of religion in your eyes doesn't make them not religious.

Fvck religion, fvck Trump.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jun 14, 2016 - 07:55am PT
My hearing works just fine, WB.

I bet you could turn up the audio and hear it too.

Let me know if you need a link.
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Jun 14, 2016 - 08:00am PT
You don't know whether or not the press accurately played back the soundtrack.You. Weren't. There. I will defy you to get someone who owns an AR 15 to take you out with a stopwatch and shoot 3 rounds per second.

But does it matter? What we have is a bunch of DEAD AMERICANS, all at the hands of a ISLAMIC religious fanatic, simply following the words of Allah in their Koran. It doesn't matter to me whether they are in a gay bar or not--it DID matter to the shooter. It should matter in the future, especially to Gay Men.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jun 14, 2016 - 08:02am PT
Remember that time an atheist went on a shooting spree because the rest of the world didn't conform to his ideology? Yeah, Me neither...

IMO, rabid athiests have a lot of similarities with rabid believers in imaginary friends.

Good 'ol Adolf, Joey Stalin, Mao, etc....

The key is "rabid" or "radical" where someone wants to force their beliefs, or non-beliefs, down someone else throat.

But in this recent case his family/ex-wife don't describe him as particularly religious.

I think what we've got is a garden variety a-hole with an explosive temper who could not come to grips with his own sexuality. With the failure of his marriage and his apparent latent urges being expressed he exploded. The fact that he called 911 WHILE KILLING PEOPLE, tells us he really wanted people to not know why exactly he hated these folks so much. "ISIS" just gave him the excuse, a plausible cover for what must have been an internal torment.

At least that'll be the premise for my movie....

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jun 14, 2016 - 08:02am PT
All at the hands of an American citizen. You forgot that part. __
monolith

climber
state of being
Jun 14, 2016 - 08:04am PT
LOL, BD. Echos? Improperly played? You can go to youtube and find people getting of shots much faster then your claimed 2 (now its 3) shots per second.
WBraun

climber
Jun 14, 2016 - 08:07am PT
Survival -- "Killers love to claim god and you know it."

An insane man makes all kinds of claims toward anything to fit and substantiate their actions.

A true God conscious person never does sh!t like this.

Besides the guy was a homosexual that has been going to the pulse for 3 years now and has been kicked out several times for aggression's against others while being drunk.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 14, 2016 - 08:12am PT
Seems to me the discussion should be about why the FBI let this fuktard skate when so
many people warned them about his rantings. They spent 10 phukking months eating
donuts before deciding he was not a terrorist?
Brokedownclimber

Trad climber
Douglas, WY
Jun 14, 2016 - 08:15am PT
Monolith-

Everything you are referencing is strictly second hand and youtube videos are not representative of the norm. I've probably fired over a quarter million rounds of ammunition in my lifetime, which the last time I looked, was considered firsthand experience. Hell, one of my best friends was shooting up 75,000 rounds a year of just .44 Magnum ammo out of a revolver, and that he did until he died prematurely from cancer. Not lead poisoning--as did all those poor bastards in Orlando. He was, by the way, the son of one of J. Edgar's first undercover FBI agents.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jun 14, 2016 - 08:18am PT
Probably because they have reports of 50,000 ranting lunatics, 49,999 of which did not kill people en masse.

If he didn't make any direct threats to the agents there's not a lot they can legally do.

People rant all the time and in a country this size our prisons are already over-stuffed with nonviolent offenders for various wars on plants.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 14, 2016 - 08:19am PT
I got you beat, Broke, my cousin was J Edgar's assistant director! BOOM! And, no, he wasn't
weird or a jerk. Quite a decent person in fact.
monolith

climber
state of being
Jun 14, 2016 - 08:21am PT
Sure, BD. Whatever.

My ears and stopwatch don't lie. An echo in a room doesn't make sense, considering the speed of sound.

Listen for yourself.

http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/06/13/orlando-shooting-snapchat-video.cnn

Those were not echoes.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 14, 2016 - 08:22am PT
O'Hair of the dog you bit?

Ultimately, the murder investigation [of Madalyn Murray O'Hair] focused on David Roland Waters, who had worked as a typesetter for American Atheists. Not only did Waters have previous convictions for violent crimes, there were also several suspicious burglaries during his tenure, and he had pleaded guilty earlier in 1995 to stealing $54,000 from American Atheists.[26] Shortly after his theft of the $54,000 was discovered, O'Hair had written a scathing article in the 'Members Only' section of the American Atheists newsletter exposing Waters, the theft and Waters' previous crimes, including a 1977 incident in which Waters allegedly beat and urinated upon his mother.[14] O'Hair also reported on his murder of another teenager at the age of 17, meaning that Waters was already a convicted felon. This in conjunction with his public use of firearms was enough to sentence Waters to prison for eight years before he could kill again.[14][26] Waters' girlfriend later testified that he was enraged by O'Hair's article, and that he fantasized about torturing her in gruesome ways and snipping off her toes.[26] Federal agents for the FBI and the IRS along with the police concluded that Waters and his accomplices had kidnapped all three O'Hairs, forced them to withdraw the missing funds, gone on several huge shopping sprees with the O'Hairs' money and credit cards, and then murdered and dismembered all three people.[27] Waters' accomplices included Gary Paul Karr and Danny Fry.[27] A few days after the O'Hairs were killed, Fry was murdered by Waters and Karr. What turned out to be Fry's body was found on a riverbed with head and hands missing, and remained unidentified for three and a half years.[27]

I thnk several of these folks posted with impunity on the ST.
dirtbag

climber
Jun 14, 2016 - 08:24am PT

per week, probably?

On supertopo, probably?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jun 14, 2016 - 08:25am PT
I have a passing understanding of the law but taking him off the terrorist watchlist?
I have problems with that decision. You don't have to be charged with anything to
merit being on that.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jun 14, 2016 - 08:26am PT
Seems to me the discussion should be about why the FBI let this fuktard skate when so
many people warned them about his rantings. They spent 10 phukking months eating
donuts before deciding he was not a terrorist?

Why the purchase of two or three guns on one day didn't trigger a flag in the database could be discussed also.
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