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kev
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A pile of dirt.
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Jun 13, 2016 - 06:09pm PT
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Wilbeer,
Not sure I agree in the US 90 guns give 3 homicides where in Isreal 7 guns give one homicide! On could interpret this and suggest that wow are they violent over there.
Also an old WWII M1 will kill you just as fast as an AR15.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jun 13, 2016 - 06:20pm PT
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I can see your determination,1 in 100k is the one I make.
Not many M1'S around[at least not near as many as the AR],and I disagree that it is a "Needed" hunting weapon.
It is mediocre at best for that.
Larger slower moving targets though,Deadly.
Do we really NEED THIS WEAPON SOLD IN THE U.S.A.?
IMHO ,NO.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jun 13, 2016 - 06:27pm PT
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If that assault weapons ban were in place this weekend ,close to 50 lives could have been saved.
Just because A dude snapped and did not have access to them.
Is that reason enough?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Jun 13, 2016 - 06:29pm PT
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10b, you are an idiot. The above post is not even worth responding too. The snippet you quoted and your accompanying question makes no sense and is just plain stupid.
No Jody, you won't answer because you don't want to incriminate yourself.
Unfortunately for you, those of us that have been here awhile know what your answer would be.
btw, how is that Ted Cruz for president campaign going?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 13, 2016 - 06:38pm PT
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Also an old WWII M1 will kill you just as fast as an AR15.
Misses the point. AR-15 will kill you and 49 others.
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kev
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Jun 13, 2016 - 06:53pm PT
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ZBrown,
I think you're missing my point and are wrong. They'll both kill 50 people almost equally. The M1 is an old semi-auto rifle. It has,I believe, a stock 15 round clip. The AR15's is also a semi-auto rifle who's stock clip is 20 I think.
There's a lot of hype with the assault weapons ban but the ban itself isn't well thought out. It's more about appeasing the masses with the bill than actually writing a bill that works.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Jun 13, 2016 - 06:56pm PT
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+2 PT.
The article.
Your advice.
kev
If true, I stand corrected. I don't know much about auto and semi auto guns. If an M1 can shoot the same amount of rounds in the same amount of time, then ban it too. I do wonder why there was an evolution the the AR-15 if the M1 was not much different though.
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monolith
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Jun 13, 2016 - 06:58pm PT
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M1 Garand is 40-50 rounds/min, including cartridge reloading.
The nightclub shooter got off 18 shots in the first 5 seconds including a pause of 1 second.
No comparison.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 13, 2016 - 07:20pm PT
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Monolith writes:
"AR15 is 4+ per second."
That can be done with a revolver - 12 shots in under three seconds - reload time included.
What's your point?
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monolith
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Jun 13, 2016 - 07:21pm PT
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That's a highly trained individual, Chaz.
Put a highly trained individual on an Ar15 and legal third party trigger and you get 7+ per second.
Use bump firing and you are over 10 per second.
I wonder why these shooter don't use revolvers if they are just as good as an AR15?
The reality is the AR15 is the easy choice of mass killers, not revolvers.
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c wilmot
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Jun 13, 2016 - 07:24pm PT
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the Ar-15 has been available for civilian purchase since 1963
something else has changed
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jun 13, 2016 - 07:26pm PT
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Monolith writes:
"That's a highly trained individual, Chaz.
Put a highly trained individual on an Ar15 and legal third party trigger and you get 7+ per second.
Use bump firing and you are over 10 per second."
Nine of those ten won't hit anywhere near their intended target - unless they're fired by a highly trained individual.
It's the shooter - NOT the gun, man!
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monolith
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Jun 13, 2016 - 07:29pm PT
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Are you kidding?
I bet every one of those shots would hit someone in a crowded nightclub.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jun 13, 2016 - 07:30pm PT
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Blocking a couple doors + ten gallons of gasoline would have killed 300+ people that night.
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monolith
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Jun 13, 2016 - 07:32pm PT
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Yeah, the bouncers at the doors would let the doors be blocked. Fantasy land.
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monolith
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Jun 13, 2016 - 07:38pm PT
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Let the entrance doors be blocked.
Sure he could have blocked some emergency exits, then snuck some gasoline in, but why?
Just blast away with an AR15. Much easier.
The AR15 is the choice of mass killers, not gasoline or bombs.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Jun 13, 2016 - 08:22pm PT
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Sadly this productive thread is detracting from "Ready for Donald". Please remember to stop by there on your way out.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jun 13, 2016 - 08:26pm PT
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It occurred to me that Florida might be the problem.
Lot of wack jobs there.
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