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johntp
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Apr 30, 2016 - 10:45pm PT
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Can't offer any advice, but best thoughts to you Karen.
John
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Karen
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Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2016 - 07:17am PT
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I'm feeling slightly better since I've been mostly sleeping and drinkin enormous amounts of watered down juice. I can't believe how badly the flu takes one down. But have to remind myself there have been strains of flu, as in the Spanish flu that killed thousands back in the day. It's no walk in the park!
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overwatch
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Arizona
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start with a new roommate.
Good post, John M
damn mr drool, I'd blow my brains out...not really but what a hassle!
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John M
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Locker,
Her first post said she went to the doctor.. An AMA western medicine doctor who diagnosed her with allergies. And gave her all sort of allergy meds. Something that most folks on this site suggested that she do, yet they failed to notice that she had already done what they suggested.
Thats what all the advice was based on. That she had been diagnosed with allergies..
The post is deleted, but she then went back to the doctors and found out she had the flu. And you can still see above that she states that she has the flu.
And yep.. the flu can be very bad. But can be worse if your stress level is high, because stress weakens the body. Thats another reason why Karen needs to do things to reduce her stress. Once of course she is over the flu. Stress makes you more vulnerable to more things. And it amplifies pain. There is no need for her to go to a chiropractor now that the AMA doctor changed his diagnosis.
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Locker you must have been ripped off by an unscrupulous chiro?
There's lots of them, and they are often down on western medicine and claim all the miracle cures.
A good chiro focuses on one thing, freeing up spinal joints that are stuck out of place due to scar tissue from injuries. And often when the joints are stuck they pinch nerves and cause a lot of pain. I've found if I pay attention to what a chiro does I can usually replicate the movement/pressure to free it up on my own.
If I didn't free up my out of place joints daily or go to a chiro I'd be in a lot of pain all the time. Like many other people. And what does the western Doctor do for these patients? Prescribe painkillers which wreck your liver or cause other issues if you do them every day. While only masking the underlying cause.
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John M
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Yep... if you love your allergies its the best option, because you will get to deal with them for the rest of your life. Love me some allergies.
Western medicine is great in some things. Not to so great in others.
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TradEddie
Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
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The thing about allergies, is that you need to have a prior exposure. Moving to a new area and suddenly having a severe allergic reaction suggests that the allergen might not be pollen. When I moved here, I immediately "lost" all of my previous pollen allergies, and it took about five years before the local pollen had any adverse effect on me. Look into possible other sources, animals, mold? When was the last time your a/c filter was replaced? Is the condensate drain blocked? I once had five months with continuous sinus problems, then one day the tech serviced the a/c unit on the construction site trailer office where I worked. Within a week I was "cured".
Different OTC allergy medicines only work for specific subset of people. Claritin is highly effective, but only for 20-30% of people. Try them all (not at the same time).
TE
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John M
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Yep.. 98 % relief. I still occasionally have issues, but nothing like I used to have. I haven't taken an allergy medicine in close to 10 years since I had the treatment. But not by just any chiro.. They have to be trained in NAET. Its a form of acupressure. Because it requires a knowledge of the bodies anatomy, some chiropractors learn it. I suggested a Chiro for it because thats one way to get insurance to cover the treatment. But you have to find a Chiro that has been trained in it. And they have to know what they are doing. It doesn't work for everyone. but I figure its worth trying, because if it does work for you, then its amazing. I also know people who were cured of serious peanut allergies by an acupuncturist. The body is a wild thing.
your mileage may vary. just like with western medicine.
What I have found is that its generally a combination of things that brings the most relief. Western Medicine has taught us to desire the magic pill. But that often means depending on that pill for the rest of your life. I prefer not to have to do that because I tend to have tons of side affects.
I still have some issues with depression, but nothing like I used to and I am completely off anti depressants and anti anxiety meds. This forum had to witness the process. It wasn't pretty and I apologize for that. But I'm finally free of the meds and have much less problems with depression. I do not contribute that to western medicine, which often made things worse for me. The list of side affects that I have experienced is mind boggling.
Try imagining having amnesia and believing that you are going nuts and not wanting to tell anyone because you didn't want to be put in a psych ward. That was one of the benefits of western medicine.
And please understand. For some things they saved my life. I have had two blood infections that would have surely killed me if not for western medicine. And 9 blood clots. 2 of which I was a sure goner if not for western meds.
But when it comes to chronic issues I have had more good experiences with Eastern medicine and Faith in God, then with western medicine.
Your mileage may vary because with chronic issues, there are usually no quick fixes. I still have a fairly messed up back.
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John M
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Its a bit more complicated then that, but yep. He was a retired chiro from Los Angeles living in Mariposa. Insurance wouldn't cover it at that time, so I paid out of pocket, but he gave me a cut rate. About 20 treatments and I haven't had a serious issue since.
Its pretty weird stuff I admit.
I was very skeptical at first. He did so little to me. Plus he did muscle testing to see what I was allergic to. That was pretty wild. Then after the first treatment I got sick as a dog. Which was weird, because he did so little to me. I literally left his office believing that I had probably wasted my money. Yet there I was being violently ill with intestinal issues. Then in a short time I was fine and things progressed from there. Not every treatment made me ill in such a manner. But enough that I could confidently attribute it to the treatment and not food poisoning.
At the time I had so many health issues going on and was studying everything that I could find. I had been diagnosed with Crohn's disease, Chronic fatigue., possibly fibromyalgia. Plus major depression with episodes of being suicidal. And difficulties with blood clots, plus a messed up back. Along with a chronic pilonidal cyst on my tailbone for which I had 4 surgeries and complications of a bone infection and blood infections. I had been near death multiple times with the western medicine doctor telling me to prepare for the possibility. With the Crohn's one doc gave me a year to live if I couldn't turn things around.
So I became willing to try many different things.
Its been quite a journey.
it may benefit from a placebo effect."...
the mind is a powerful thing. But I have also seen treatments that people received such as the peanut allergy which is hard to attribute to a placebo effect.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Chiropractors are all over the charts. Some great, some not so great, some dangerous.
I see a Chiropractor (Dr Yamada) from time to time who's primary skill is Shiatsu. He studied in Japan with Tokujiro Namikoshi, considered to be the father of modern Shiatsu. Recently I went to see him for lower back pain which felt to me like an S.I. joint issue. Massage gave me great relief, but he would not consider making an adjustment to that area without seeing an MRI. Good choice since the problem is elsewhere.
I took a workshop with a guy named Tom Myers, an accomplished Rolfer and body worker. One of the first things he said was "Never chase the pain."
But right now I have to go eat my daily tablespoon of raw unfiltered local honey. Works for me. ymmv.
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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Do Chiropractors do MRI's and blood work before working on a patient???...
No, but many do X-rays. Many won't touch you until they've done X-rays. Some charge a lot for it of course. And some do X-rays and exam for free but won't treat you until you pay. I've seen the source of my pain on those X-rays. I could see scar tissues and an out of place joint exactly where the pain was. I switched to my current chiro due to insurance. Which tells you something why would insurance pay for something if it has no value? Anyway my current guy doesn't do X-rays. He can just tell with his hands and by talking to you what is going on.
I'd guess 99% of the time chiro would do nothing for allergies. But 99% of the time medicine isn't going to cure your vertebrae being out of place. Pitched nerves due cause weird things. I've experienced it myself. My back was out and it caused a pain in my ribs on the front of my body. I got a chiro adjustment and within an hour it was gone. But mostly chiro is for back and neck pain. And medicine could cause inflammation to go down and then your back could correct on its own. Those are the 1% scenarios.
As far as allergies I lived in NorCal for 8 years never had them. Moved away for 6 years came back and got them. For the first year Claritin worked. But then didn't. I tired something else that worked for a year. Now I've been on certizine for 10 years and it's still working and hopefully will keep working.
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John M
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LOL.. sure.. it was admittedly pretty bizarre.
you hold in your dominate hand the thing that you are testing for. You put your other arm straight out. Edit: The tester pushes down on your arm. If you have an energetic difficulty with the thing that you are testing for, your arm will go weak. This does not work on everyone. It did not work on me.
If that happens, then you have to find someone who it does work on. Then you hold the thing that you are testing for, the other person touches you, and the tester tests them. Its fairly tricky and requires practice because even beliefs can affect it. So the person who is helping has to empty their minds and just accept whatever happens.
I know.. I know.. it sounds pretty woo woo. but it is based on the understanding that the body is energy and that there are energy meridians. As eastern medicine believes.
One of the things I tested to have difficulties with was Vitamin C. Not allergy. Just sensitivity. Growing up I had difficulty eating fruit as I would get all itchy after eating it. I loved oranges, but couldn't eat them. At the time of the treatment I had forgotten all about that. The testing is done rapidly and you aren't told what the object contains. thy are small plastic vials and the tester is supposed to just hand them to you without saying what they are. When he told me I tested sensitive to Vitamin C I thought he was nuts. But I was treated and got sick, and then better. and then remembered growing up having issues with eating fruit. Now I have no issues and can eat fruit. Which I love.
Now there is a machine that can test an energy drop. Muscle testing is vulnerable to many variables. Applied Kinesiology ( Ak) is what muscles testing is called.
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John M
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LOL.. yep.. it still boggles my mind.
During my first acupuncture treatment the form I filled out asked if I needed to keep the window open to be able to sleep. I did. In my treatment he included a needle for treating that spot. Since then I haven't needed a window open.
woo woo!
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Karen
Trad climber
Prescott, AZ ~
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Topic Author's Reply - May 1, 2016 - 07:27pm PT
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Well I'm heading to Ventura next week for my daughter's wedding. She wants me to house sit for her for two weeks while on the honeymoon. I might as well do the ten day no wheat diet while there. It will give me something to do cause heaven knows I'm going to be bored while there,
Yeah, it's the beach and all but I'm broke.
Anyone live by Ventura ? Could sure use some company!
Meanwhile, hoping and praying this darn flu ebates.
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