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lou
Trad climber
phoenix arizona
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Apr 28, 2016 - 10:54am PT
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To Donini... concerning his points of self-reliance and helicopters.....XACTLY
I work for a big city f.d. an do rescues on this mt. in the middle of the city....
We had four young folks, "stranded " on the summit when it became dark.... didn't bring flashlights... and were too nervous to try and walk back down the trail....
Called 911...they send us.. upon reaching them, they requested a helicopter...refused to follow us down...no one hurt... when we said no, that no one is hurt, and how dangerous and expensive those things are... they became incensed, angry and started name calling.... yay....
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Apr 28, 2016 - 11:14am PT
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too bad you couldn't just walk away and leave the f. u. c. k. s... got to be Camelback yeah? Maybe Pinnacle, both are loaded with total dipshits
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 28, 2016 - 12:26pm PT
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lou, did you feel insensitive and out of touch with reality after being so mean?
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Apr 28, 2016 - 03:36pm PT
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One way to handle an unnecessary Search and Rescue is to leave your methamphetamine at home when you venture into the Great Outdoors.
Man Rescued from Morro Rock is arrested on drug charges later the same day
He ascended a line up the middle of this photo to propose to his girlfriend by logging into InstaChatSnapFaceTw#t.
Then, he wandered off to the right, and down onto a loose and dangerous section and became paralyzed from the neck up.
The cops later arrested him on a nearby beach because his methamphetamine chatter and erratic behavior was frightening small children.
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Sula
Trad climber
Pennsylvania
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Apr 28, 2016 - 06:50pm PT
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In the second photo I think I recognize a look from some of those seagulls that roughly translates as "Who is this idiot and when is someone going to haul him out of here?"
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 11, 2016 - 12:10pm PT
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Hard to believe that much damage was done by the rotor cutting the rope!
Shoulda seen that coming though with that much loose rope.
Without knowing what that hiker's injuries were I still maintain there are
probably 3x as many helo picks as are really indicated by the severity of
the injury. I was on one where at least 8 of us plus the crew were in
serious danger just to recover a body. A lower was out of the question due
to the abundance of loose rock but this crazy Army dude said, "I got this."
He had to nose the bird into a chimney that left maybe 10' on either side the
whole time blowing a veritable sh!tstorm of rocks onto the teams below.
After getting the pick he had to back out of the chimney. If he had
not been able to do it we had a Plan B ready. It involved a code word to
radio to the ground which meant
"invent some lame excuse to get the family out of sight cause we're gonna
give the body the heave-ho."
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Bob Harrington
climber
Bishop, California
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May 11, 2016 - 04:19pm PT
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Reilly, that video, it was a recovery.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 11, 2016 - 04:33pm PT
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donini said:
Taking away that option and making self reliance the only option would lead to fewer and better qualified climbers and only a fraction of the accidents occuring today.
I do believe in self rescue whenever possible. And have done it. Even if we'd had the option to call for help there certainly was no need.
Sometimes self rescue is not possible or is not a good option. There can be incidents where trying to get out unassisted can lead to a fatal event or when delaying professional care leads to a much worse outcome. Then deploy the personal locator beacon (PLB).
For certain, being lost, tired, thirsty and out of daylight doesn't cut it. Restitution or punishment is called for.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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May 12, 2016 - 03:41am PT
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"Commitment" is a word not fully understood by today's climbers. How many climbers under the age of 30 knows what it means to leave your cell phone at home? BITD we flew onto glaciers and walked into the wilderness with a month's supply of food and no cell phone or radio. You can't be rescued if no one knows where you are.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 12, 2016 - 07:28am PT
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a few absurd stories are somehow meaningful.
You've clearly not worked on a SAR team, let alone read a newspaper regularly.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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May 12, 2016 - 07:32am PT
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Reilly posted Without knowing what that hiker's injuries were I still maintain there are
probably 3x as many helo picks as are really indicated by the severity of
the injury.
Indeed, they are probably overused and their danger should never be underestimated. It's not an easy decision sometimes though. I work in trauma now and even theoretically "minor" injuries like a broken tib/fib or ankle can threaten the limb if not attended by a surgeon in an appropriate amount of time.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 12, 2016 - 07:38am PT
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HDDJ, thank you, the liability threat is what drives most of these although a week or two back
some retard was plucked near me and when I looked at where I could not believe it. He said
he couldn't descend from a hillock two blind kids could descend in a three-legged race. In
this case I think it was that LA County Sheriffs would rather go fly around being 'heros' than
do actual law enforcement.
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WBraun
climber
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May 12, 2016 - 07:43am PT
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Reilly
In the SAR business that is called job security.
You'll get a certain small percentage of retards every year no matter what.
They will appear and one must deal with them.
There's no escape .....
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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May 12, 2016 - 08:03am PT
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perhaps the cops should have presented me with a bill for their services, because I was "foolish?"
Yep...and you can always tell a weak ass troll too because they're always on the opposite side of the general consensus
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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May 12, 2016 - 10:21am PT
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10/10 is the great white whale of ST
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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May 12, 2016 - 10:38am PT
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I live for the memes
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 12, 2016 - 10:44am PT
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Werner, here in the Vast Wasteland Of Dopes the retard rescues are at least 50%.
People around here can't even manage to stay on a 5' wide trail.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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May 12, 2016 - 02:42pm PT
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I came home with a friend after a night of drinking to find a stranger sleeping on the couch. I woke my other roommate up and asked him if it was his friend. The half asleep roomie's response was "Don't screw with me this late". We all stood there in the living room pondering the situation when the guy pops up and says is this Michigan? We died laughing because Michigan St is nearby, we told him he was in Missouri (I live on Missouri St.) I was mostly pissed at my dog who slept through the whole thing.
Never dawned on me to kill the guy, I guess I am not Trump enough.
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WBraun
climber
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May 12, 2016 - 02:48pm PT
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So much of what one hears along these lines is pure hot air.
So why are you giving off so much hot air yourself ...?
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