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John Duffield

Mountain climber

New York

Mar 22, 2016 - 02:52pm PT

I think he's been on vacation to Planet Khumbaya. And if 30 dead is his
idea of large scale then he's really in La-La Land.

Indeed. I was in the WTC on 9/11. Pretty horrific. At some point, a truck bomb will take down a thousand year old cathedral, that survived the two World Wars, and the Left will still be singing kumbaya. The damage to Europe, will be more than necessary.

The shame is, the agenda of the Left offers many good things, but if they show they are incapable of protecting people - Governments main reason to exist - the Right will take over and that will be sad.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Mar 22, 2016 - 03:03pm PT

Dear Hillary Clinton:

Speak honestly about "jihadism " "Islamic terrorism" "Islamism" "political Islam" or it will be "President Trump".

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How many leftists or liberals here do NOT use terms like "radical Islamic extremism" or "radical Islamic terrorists" because FOX News does? or because political conservatives or the political right do?

If this is you, you're part of the problem, please educate/update yourselves.

You've heard it before: Nature abhors a vacuum. If you don't distinguish the naunces in the beliefs, practices and language associated with Islam, jihad, sharia and terrorism - the political right - incl Donald Trump - will continue to fill the void and to capitalize on it.

Start here: (Learn to) Distinguish between Islam (religion) and Islamism (political Islam). Distinguish between Muslims, liberal Muslims, fundamentalist Muslims, conservative Muslims and Islamists. They are different. They all mean different things.

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Mar 22, 2016 - 04:18pm PT

Trump told me countries must tighten their borders in light of these terror attacks, especially to anyone related to an ISIS fighter in Syria.

Is he so wrong?

He told me he wants law-abiding Muslims to root out the extremists in their midst, expressing his bafflement and anger that someone like Abdeslam was able to hide for so long in the very part of Brussels he had previously lived.

Is he so wrong?

He told me America must make it far harder for illegal immigrants to enter the U.S. and thinks European countries should follow suit.

Is he so wrong?

He told me he believes there are now areas of many major European cities which have become poisonous breeding grounds for radicalized Islamic terror.

Is he so wrong?

I didn’t feel I was talking to a lunatic, as many seem to view Trump.

"I saw a guy, a non-politician unfettered by PC language restraints, who is genuinely furious at the devastation which ISIS is wreaking, and seriously concerned for the security of his fellow Americans and indeed, the citizens of Europe."

"Hate Donald Trump all you like, but at least he seems to recognise the magnitude of the threat..."

Piers Morgan

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3504893/PIERS-MORGAN-comes-terror-isn-t-time-started-listening-seriously-Trump.html

Reeotch

climber

4 Corners Area

Mar 22, 2016 - 04:30pm PT

I share in your resentment of what these marginals do and stand for, bb.

"marginals"?

How many mainstream Islamic Leaders have come out to condem these or any other attacks?

Mainstream Islamic Leaders, not some liberal apostates that the mainstream media likes to parade around, but real Imams from the middle east. Where are their voices of protest against this violence? Or, are they too busy speaking out against cartoons?

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Mar 22, 2016 - 04:40pm PT

It's a strategy I didn't see, and I pay attention to this sh#t. Simultaneously launching assaults on Europe and North Africa. The are a lot of attacks in North Africa that don't make the news if a Westerner didn't get hurt. There have been more in N Africa over the past 6 months than Europe.

What really sucks for us (Europe) is that I think they're very close to multiple Euro attacks, like over 5. After the one today. Reilly is right about the chatter in England about several imminent attacks suspected. Soon.

And I don't mean to panic anyone. Just pointing out the obvious. This problem will become super real when it happens here, close to our homes. And I'm trying to figure out why they haven't gone big here yet.

Could be that a problem does not exist. Just random acts of violence by a handful of nuts, like Timmy McVeigh. Do you still buy that?

Reeotch

climber

4 Corners Area

Mar 22, 2016 - 04:56pm PT

Do you still buy that?

Do you???

That is a whole different ballgame (the OKC thing)

Think about what france has gone through. This is civil war type stuff. They say the last ones were belgian citizens, but these things take a whole network of people to pull off, not just a few scapegoats (San Bernardino...)

McVeigh, if you believe the official narrative, which I don't, but if you do, he was supposedly a "lone wolf", These attacks are a group effort, and then there is the whole suicide bomber angle which is a very disturbing trend - to start seeing suicide attacks outside the Middle East.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Mar 22, 2016 - 05:13pm PT

McVeigh, if you believe the official narrative, which I don't, but if you do, he was supposedly a "lone wolf", These attacks are a group effort, and then there is the whole suicide bomber angle which is a very disturbing trend - to start seeing suicide attacks outside the Middle East.

I know. I was being facetious.

Ksolem

Trad climber

Monrovia, California

Mar 22, 2016 - 06:20pm PT

I've always been suspicious about the McVeigh business. Most executions take a while to be carried out, But Ashcroft couldn't get that guy onto the gurney fast enough.

bluering

Trad climber

Santa Clara, CA

Mar 22, 2016 - 06:24pm PT

I've always been suspicious about the McVeigh business. Most executions take a while to be carried out, But Ashcroft couldn't get that guy onto the gurney fast enough.

Yeah, that and some other 'minor details' leave room for mucho skepticism as to what the hell was really going on.

zBrown

Ice climber

Mar 22, 2016 - 06:27pm PT

How many planted CIA operatives are now in the ISIS? It appears to be time to ramp up.

ecdh

climber

the east

Mar 22, 2016 - 07:05pm PT

F*#k any political system that harbors religious elements. Empowering any religion with authorized sanctity always leads to some degree of this, ie a stupified majority that only smacks the wrist of its maverick outliers.

We have science. Stop granting any form of religion any form of creedence. No religion can answer any of our pressing issues, they actually create them. Whether its god hates fags christians, hindu zealots, hassidic hardliners, buddhist mysogonists or muslim murders they need to be cut off at the base and the roots dug out.

religion as a concept needs to be seen as the cancer as it both executes and abets bad behaviour. Harmless members of organized religion do not exist, they give buffer and mass to the elements that abuse. Millenia of religion being unable to clean up its act shows this. IS has no precedent that wasnt set before. Bombing Brussels is no different to some christian idiot acting out their fantasy in washington.

Stop granting religious sanctity. Start putting pressure on any group with a religious agenda. These are ugly, stupid ideas with consistent histories of violating human freedom. Stop tolerating in tolerance. The numbers of religious followers of all strains need to be reduced to thus reduce the inner pressure that produces ever-crazier fringe factions.

Until the ignorant precepts religion is based on are treated with no more seriousness than disney there will always be enough followers to guarantee a fringe of f*#kwits who demand to be more adherant than the rest. Like all groups there is internal competitiveness and macho male losers are almost always the ones insecure enough to gamble it all on winning. Whether its Trump or those daesh wankers.

We cant cut out the bad sh#t without upsetting some of the world. So be it. If scientific rationalism makes mullahs, the pope and zen monks cry f*#k them. Theyve had a long time to prove their value and failed. Dont waste another minute on it.
Religion is stupid and superficial enough to be gutted by having its rituals and organization dismembered - China proved that. Root out the base and even when its fine to return, not many do. People get to either see how silly it all was or they keep their stupid ideas quiet.

Violent displays of religiousosity shouldnt be all thats condemned - ANY display should be. Organized groups of deluded people are half the problem regardless of the ideology. The nature of idiocy is to isolate itself and create an us and them paradigm.

Stopping daesh wont amount to jack sh#t as the well spring of aggressive ignorance only breeds more who do it better. As the numbers increase the one in a million who go bad only increases.

Pull down the mosques. Bulldoze he temples. Dismantle the churches. Do it now beforethings only get worse.
Cry about it all you like but we know its what needs to happen.

Anyone got a better idea?

zBrown

Ice climber

Mar 22, 2016 - 07:12pm PT

It appears that ecdh fought religion and religion didn't win.

And to think, Herr Braun apparently got the boot.

ecdh

climber

the east

Mar 22, 2016 - 07:44pm PT

Nope. Never joined. Just spent a career seeing it f*#k the world up and the worlds organizations let it happen.

If theres a more cuddly, gentle way to sort it out im listening...

If it means getting the clamp so be it. Tho i think the position should be on the table along with the flaccid religion placating methods we continue to dream will work.
Compared to the sh#t thats going on this is not the looney edge.

Am i stirred up and ranting? You f*#ken bet!
We just seen a bunch of as#@&%es go to the heart of liberal europe and kill people all because a coward from their own ranks couldnt didnt have the brains to even run to the daesh homeland. Brussels is one of the centers for the exact organizations that mediate this stuff and the center of one of the most liberal democracies anywhere - and these f*#ks have the audacity to victimize that.

Wait till it happens again. At what point do we recognize the fundament if the cause? Are we prepared to upset the lefty eqalists AND the right wing isolationists to get sh#t done? Possibly not.

Joust all you want - just bring a plan to consider to the table with you

enjoimx

Trad climber

Yosemite

Mar 22, 2016 - 08:09pm PT

Bombing Brussels is no different to some christian idiot acting out their fantasy in washington.

What are you referring to?

It's interesting how people bash Christianity, almost as an unconscious reaction, when radical Islamists kill a bunch of people.

ecdh

climber

the east

Mar 22, 2016 - 08:20pm PT

referring to any christian doctrine that interferes with domestic or foreign policies that intrude on the safety or freedom of others. Stem cell research to abortion to protecting clergy frim investigation to dabbling overseas.

And not just washington. Include london, rome, berlin, tokyo, delhi, bangkok. Substitute christianity for buddhism, judaism, hinduism etc.

Its not kneejerk to use christianity as a parallel to the f*#kery of islam, its a clear example.

fear

Ice climber

hartford, ct

Mar 23, 2016 - 06:26am PT

It's simply another propaganda tool to motivate stupid people in groups. Doesn't matter if it's "religion" or "nationalism". There are plenty of people willing to murder for a flag or a book on any given day.

The trick is seeing past the BS and asking who funded and equipped the murderers in this particular case. Then ask the question of why? Coordinated attacks on populations of soft targets almost always benefit the local gov't. People will flock to them for a false sense of security, open their wallets, and offer up their children for slaughter abroad.

The latest attack involved some real coordination/skill and high-explosive materials. This wasn't a black-powder pressure cooker put together by idiots. So ask yourselves why masses of innocents? Why not take out any number of easy higher value gov't targets?

overwatch

climber

Arizona

Mar 23, 2016 - 06:49am PT

because it is Terrorism; it is specifically designed to target civilians to cause terror among the masses, to destabilize the government and destroy public confidence in the system

OK, oh, Fear, oh great one, I bow to your incredible ST knowledge

High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber

Mar 23, 2016 - 06:50am PT

Europe needs MORE Christianity.

Only Christianity with its higher fertility rate can prevent Islam with its very high fertility rate from overrunning the continent over the next 100 years.

So goes the argument that is hard to negate insofar as one's aim is to preserve European culture.

(There is a low birth rate in Europe, many contribute it to secularism.)
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"The trick is seeing past the BS and asking who funded and equipped the murderers..."

Fear, I cannot think of anyone here more obtuse than you in dismissing religion's role in this mess. It is hard to believe that in religious America, you've apparently had such little contact with religious people, fundamentalists or conservatives in particular, that you can be so CLUELESS regarding their beliefs and how they motivate them.

Half the solution to a problem is correctly identifying the causes of the problem to begin with.