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brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Original Post - Mar 22, 2016 - 09:30am PT
A-holes hit Belgium.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/22/europe/brussels-explosions/index.html

Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 22, 2016 - 10:00am PT
BBC Journalist Simon Marks was near Maelbeek Station when the explosion occurred.

He told the BBC: "I was walking by the building when the bomb went off. I heard the noise and saw the smoke from the station. I headed for the entrance. The police hadn't cordoned it off at that point. Clearly, people were injured. There were no paramedics, just a few policemen.

"A local hotel brought out towels and sheets for rudimentary dressage. About 10 or 15 minutes later paramedics arrived, police cordoned the area and the press were pushed back. There were lots of shocked bystanders in tears.



10-15 minutes before paramedics arrive? Really? Glad I'm going to Switzerland.
Wish I wasn't going to Strasbourg.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 22, 2016 - 10:02am PT
Clearly Islam Hates US ..... all of us.


brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 22, 2016 - 10:18am PT
F$%K Daesh is right.

These guys are starting s$%t with the whole damn world.

That is exactly what they want too, a global jihad so that all Muslims of the world will join together for the global holy war.

Daesh knows it will not last forever but they don't care. They are just a catalyst to get the war going that will hopefully install a global caliphate.
couchmaster

climber
Mar 22, 2016 - 10:25am PT

But but but, don't we need more refugees? More Syrians? More Somalis? Isn't anyone who professes otherwise a
RACIST
!??

[Click to View YouTube Video]
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 22, 2016 - 10:46am PT
ISIS makes no secret of its ultimate ambition: A global caliphate secured through a global war. To that end it speaks of "remaining and expanding" its existing hold over much of Iraq and Syria. It aims to replace existing, man-made borders, to overcome what it sees as the Shiite "crescent" that has emerged across the Middle East, to take its war -- Islam's war -- to Europe and America, and ultimately to lead Muslims toward an apocalyptic battle against the "disbelievers."
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Mar 22, 2016 - 10:53am PT
Clearly Islam Hates US ..... all of us.

Da'esh (not *SIS) no more represents Islam-in-general than Timothy McVeigh or Torquemada or Hitler represented Christianity-in-general.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Mar 22, 2016 - 10:55am PT
How to motivate as many Muslims as possible to join the aspirations of daesh? Start painting all Muslims with the broad brush of negativity, as we are seeing happen from loud voices in the US and elsewhere. When we separate the radical minority – daesh – from the 1.6 billion Muslims on earth, we have a good start on "winning" the "war."


Exactly. Which is why we don't call Da'esh "*SIS."

There's nothing Islamic about these monsters.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 22, 2016 - 10:57am PT
One takeaway from this horror is if you're ever in the same situation:

DO NOT RUN FROM THE FIRST EXPLOSION. HUNKER LOW AND PLAY DEAD.

Those camel humpers aren't the sharpest pencils but they have that routine down.
Many at the airport ran from the intitial bomb straight towards the second larger one.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 22, 2016 - 11:44am PT
Clearly Islam Hates US ..... all of us.

If your claim that 1.6 billion Muslims clearly hated us was true then we'd all be dead by now.

dirtbag

climber
Mar 22, 2016 - 11:45am PT
And yes, hit the panic button. Then vote for trump.
Norton

Social climber
Mar 22, 2016 - 11:46am PT
1.6 billion Mulim followers of Islam do NOT committ acts of terror

It is seriously ignorant to generalize otherwise
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 22, 2016 - 12:31pm PT
In response to 2014 ICM poll indicating that as many as 16% of French citizens sympathize with ISIS, Newsweek's France correspondent Anne-Elizabeth Moutet said she was not surprised by the news. “This is the ideology of young French Muslims from immigrant backgrounds,” she said, “unemployed to the tune of 40%, who’ve been deluged by satellite TV and internet propaganda.” She pointed to a correlation between support for ISIS and rising anti-Semitism in France, adding that “these are the same people who torch synagogues”.

This poll, like most is probably not perfect, but these are the sort of numbers Europe needs to be concerned with. The huge number of more peaceful Muslims around the world is not so directly relevant to the future in Europe.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Mar 22, 2016 - 12:33pm PT
Let's see:

I don't have any huge concern about the well being of people who actually are or may be killed (or abducted as a sex slave like the girls in Africa and Syria) by terrorists;
I have no interest in ever reevaluating my standard liberal attitudes about moral relativism, notwithstanding whatever happens in the world;
I think that pointing out that most muslims are not terrorists is a satisfactory rebuttal to the fact that muslims are a small percentage of the world's population but commit the vast majority of acts of terror;
when people point out facts like a poll showed that 36 per cent of British Muslims aged between 16 and 24 believe those who convert to another faith should be punished by death, I think a good response is to say something about Timothy McVeigh or Hitler (http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/16/religion.anglicanism);;
I have essentially zero fear of being personally killed in a terror attack (which makes all of the above just peachy keen) . . .

Do I have the standard lib line down?
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 22, 2016 - 12:51pm PT
Hard to believe, but the Left seems to be intent on riding the TITANIC of IslamoFascism all the way to the bottom. Bernie did #standing with Muslims in Michigan and lost all 5 states the following Tuesday.

This isn't over by a long shot. They estimate, there are 5,000 ISIS fighters in Europe. Tons of weapons and explosives. Fasten your seatbelts.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 22, 2016 - 01:24pm PT

Do I have the standard lib line down?



Troll, troll, troll yer boat...
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 22, 2016 - 01:25pm PT
This isn't over by a long shot. They estimate, there are 5,000 ISIS fighters in Europe. Tons of weapons and explosives. Fasten your seatbelts.

Out of curiosity...where do these statistics come from?

I'm wondering how they estimate such a thing?

What European countries are more likely to be hit?
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 22, 2016 - 01:33pm PT
Out of curiosity...where do these statistics come from?

Google "5000 ISIS in Europe" and take your pick.

What European countries are more likely to be hit?

ISIS, has said the next attack, will be in Germany. But London is expecting a cluster of attacks as well.
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 22, 2016 - 01:51pm PT
Thanks^^^^

Just read a couple articles.

Crazy how permeable Europe is to terrorists.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 22, 2016 - 02:28pm PT
Crazy how permeable Europe is to terrorists.

Yes, how's that Schengen Agreement workin' for y'all now? Interestingly,
the last I read Belgium wanted out of it along with Holland, Germany,
and Luxembourg, i.e., most of the original signatories. Khumbaya just
ain't cutting it any more.




BBC:
Belgium's interior minister said authorities knew that some kind of extremist act was being prepared in Europe but they were surprised by the scale of the attacks in Brussels.

Interior Minister Jan Jambon said: "It was always possible that more attacks could happen but we never could have imagined something of this scale".

I think he's been on vacation to Planet Khumbaya. And if 30 dead is his
idea of large scale then he's really in La-La Land. It was that few
because those camel rump humpers were incompetent.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 22, 2016 - 02:52pm PT
I think he's been on vacation to Planet Khumbaya. And if 30 dead is his
idea of large scale then he's really in La-La Land.

Indeed. I was in the WTC on 9/11. Pretty horrific. At some point, a truck bomb will take down a thousand year old cathedral, that survived the two World Wars, and the Left will still be singing kumbaya. The damage to Europe, will be more than necessary.

The shame is, the agenda of the Left offers many good things, but if they show they are incapable of protecting people - Governments main reason to exist - the Right will take over and that will be sad.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Mar 22, 2016 - 03:03pm PT
Dear Hillary Clinton:

Speak honestly about "jihadism " "Islamic terrorism" "Islamism" "political Islam" or it will be "President Trump".

...


How many leftists or liberals here do NOT use terms like "radical Islamic extremism" or "radical Islamic terrorists" because FOX News does? or because political conservatives or the political right do?

If this is you, you're part of the problem, please educate/update yourselves.

You've heard it before: Nature abhors a vacuum. If you don't distinguish the naunces in the beliefs, practices and language associated with Islam, jihad, sharia and terrorism - the political right - incl Donald Trump - will continue to fill the void and to capitalize on it.

Start here: (Learn to) Distinguish between Islam (religion) and Islamism (political Islam). Distinguish between Muslims, liberal Muslims, fundamentalist Muslims, conservative Muslims and Islamists. They are different. They all mean different things.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Mar 22, 2016 - 04:18pm PT
Trump told me countries must tighten their borders in light of these terror attacks, especially to anyone related to an ISIS fighter in Syria.

Is he so wrong?

He told me he wants law-abiding Muslims to root out the extremists in their midst, expressing his bafflement and anger that someone like Abdeslam was able to hide for so long in the very part of Brussels he had previously lived.

Is he so wrong?

He told me America must make it far harder for illegal immigrants to enter the U.S. and thinks European countries should follow suit.

Is he so wrong?

He told me he believes there are now areas of many major European cities which have become poisonous breeding grounds for radicalized Islamic terror.

Is he so wrong?

I didn’t feel I was talking to a lunatic, as many seem to view Trump.

"I saw a guy, a non-politician unfettered by PC language restraints, who is genuinely furious at the devastation which ISIS is wreaking, and seriously concerned for the security of his fellow Americans and indeed, the citizens of Europe."

"Hate Donald Trump all you like, but at least he seems to recognise the magnitude of the threat..."

Piers Morgan

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3504893/PIERS-MORGAN-comes-terror-isn-t-time-started-listening-seriously-Trump.html
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Mar 22, 2016 - 04:30pm PT
I share in your resentment of what these marginals do and stand for, bb.

"marginals"?

How many mainstream Islamic Leaders have come out to condem these or any other attacks?

Mainstream Islamic Leaders, not some liberal apostates that the mainstream media likes to parade around, but real Imams from the middle east. Where are their voices of protest against this violence? Or, are they too busy speaking out against cartoons?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 22, 2016 - 04:40pm PT
It's a strategy I didn't see, and I pay attention to this sh#t. Simultaneously launching assaults on Europe and North Africa. The are a lot of attacks in North Africa that don't make the news if a Westerner didn't get hurt. There have been more in N Africa over the past 6 months than Europe.

What really sucks for us (Europe) is that I think they're very close to multiple Euro attacks, like over 5. After the one today. Reilly is right about the chatter in England about several imminent attacks suspected. Soon.

And I don't mean to panic anyone. Just pointing out the obvious. This problem will become super real when it happens here, close to our homes. And I'm trying to figure out why they haven't gone big here yet.

Could be that a problem does not exist. Just random acts of violence by a handful of nuts, like Timmy McVeigh. Do you still buy that?

Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Mar 22, 2016 - 04:56pm PT
Do you still buy that?
Do you???

That is a whole different ballgame (the OKC thing)

Think about what france has gone through. This is civil war type stuff. They say the last ones were belgian citizens, but these things take a whole network of people to pull off, not just a few scapegoats (San Bernardino...)

McVeigh, if you believe the official narrative, which I don't, but if you do, he was supposedly a "lone wolf", These attacks are a group effort, and then there is the whole suicide bomber angle which is a very disturbing trend - to start seeing suicide attacks outside the Middle East.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 22, 2016 - 05:13pm PT
McVeigh, if you believe the official narrative, which I don't, but if you do, he was supposedly a "lone wolf", These attacks are a group effort, and then there is the whole suicide bomber angle which is a very disturbing trend - to start seeing suicide attacks outside the Middle East.


I know. I was being facetious.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 22, 2016 - 06:20pm PT
I've always been suspicious about the McVeigh business. Most executions take a while to be carried out, But Ashcroft couldn't get that guy onto the gurney fast enough.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 22, 2016 - 06:24pm PT
I've always been suspicious about the McVeigh business. Most executions take a while to be carried out, But Ashcroft couldn't get that guy onto the gurney fast enough.


Yeah, that and some other 'minor details' leave room for mucho skepticism as to what the hell was really going on.
zBrown

Ice climber
Mar 22, 2016 - 06:27pm PT
How many planted CIA operatives are now in the ISIS? It appears to be time to ramp up.



ecdh

climber
the east
Mar 22, 2016 - 07:05pm PT
F*#k any political system that harbors religious elements. Empowering any religion with authorized sanctity always leads to some degree of this, ie a stupified majority that only smacks the wrist of its maverick outliers.

We have science. Stop granting any form of religion any form of creedence. No religion can answer any of our pressing issues, they actually create them. Whether its god hates fags christians, hindu zealots, hassidic hardliners, buddhist mysogonists or muslim murders they need to be cut off at the base and the roots dug out.

religion as a concept needs to be seen as the cancer as it both executes and abets bad behaviour. Harmless members of organized religion do not exist, they give buffer and mass to the elements that abuse. Millenia of religion being unable to clean up its act shows this. IS has no precedent that wasnt set before. Bombing Brussels is no different to some christian idiot acting out their fantasy in washington.

Stop granting religious sanctity. Start putting pressure on any group with a religious agenda. These are ugly, stupid ideas with consistent histories of violating human freedom. Stop tolerating in tolerance. The numbers of religious followers of all strains need to be reduced to thus reduce the inner pressure that produces ever-crazier fringe factions.

Until the ignorant precepts religion is based on are treated with no more seriousness than disney there will always be enough followers to guarantee a fringe of f*#kwits who demand to be more adherant than the rest. Like all groups there is internal competitiveness and macho male losers are almost always the ones insecure enough to gamble it all on winning. Whether its Trump or those daesh wankers.

We cant cut out the bad sh#t without upsetting some of the world. So be it. If scientific rationalism makes mullahs, the pope and zen monks cry f*#k them. Theyve had a long time to prove their value and failed. Dont waste another minute on it.
Religion is stupid and superficial enough to be gutted by having its rituals and organization dismembered - China proved that. Root out the base and even when its fine to return, not many do. People get to either see how silly it all was or they keep their stupid ideas quiet.

Violent displays of religiousosity shouldnt be all thats condemned - ANY display should be. Organized groups of deluded people are half the problem regardless of the ideology. The nature of idiocy is to isolate itself and create an us and them paradigm.

Stopping daesh wont amount to jack sh#t as the well spring of aggressive ignorance only breeds more who do it better. As the numbers increase the one in a million who go bad only increases.

Pull down the mosques. Bulldoze he temples. Dismantle the churches. Do it now beforethings only get worse.
Cry about it all you like but we know its what needs to happen.

Anyone got a better idea?
zBrown

Ice climber
Mar 22, 2016 - 07:12pm PT
It appears that ecdh fought religion and religion didn't win.


And to think, Herr Braun apparently got the boot.

ecdh

climber
the east
Mar 22, 2016 - 07:44pm PT
Nope. Never joined. Just spent a career seeing it f*#k the world up and the worlds organizations let it happen.

If theres a more cuddly, gentle way to sort it out im listening...

If it means getting the clamp so be it. Tho i think the position should be on the table along with the flaccid religion placating methods we continue to dream will work.
Compared to the sh#t thats going on this is not the looney edge.

Am i stirred up and ranting? You f*#ken bet!
We just seen a bunch of as#@&%es go to the heart of liberal europe and kill people all because a coward from their own ranks couldnt didnt have the brains to even run to the daesh homeland. Brussels is one of the centers for the exact organizations that mediate this stuff and the center of one of the most liberal democracies anywhere - and these f*#ks have the audacity to victimize that.

Wait till it happens again. At what point do we recognize the fundament if the cause? Are we prepared to upset the lefty eqalists AND the right wing isolationists to get sh#t done? Possibly not.

Joust all you want - just bring a plan to consider to the table with you
enjoimx

Trad climber
Yosemite
Mar 22, 2016 - 08:09pm PT
Bombing Brussels is no different to some christian idiot acting out their fantasy in washington.

What are you referring to?

It's interesting how people bash Christianity, almost as an unconscious reaction, when radical Islamists kill a bunch of people.
ecdh

climber
the east
Mar 22, 2016 - 08:20pm PT
referring to any christian doctrine that interferes with domestic or foreign policies that intrude on the safety or freedom of others. Stem cell research to abortion to protecting clergy frim investigation to dabbling overseas.

And not just washington. Include london, rome, berlin, tokyo, delhi, bangkok. Substitute christianity for buddhism, judaism, hinduism etc.

Its not kneejerk to use christianity as a parallel to the f*#kery of islam, its a clear example.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 23, 2016 - 06:26am PT
It's simply another propaganda tool to motivate stupid people in groups. Doesn't matter if it's "religion" or "nationalism". There are plenty of people willing to murder for a flag or a book on any given day.

The trick is seeing past the BS and asking who funded and equipped the murderers in this particular case. Then ask the question of why? Coordinated attacks on populations of soft targets almost always benefit the local gov't. People will flock to them for a false sense of security, open their wallets, and offer up their children for slaughter abroad.

The latest attack involved some real coordination/skill and high-explosive materials. This wasn't a black-powder pressure cooker put together by idiots. So ask yourselves why masses of innocents? Why not take out any number of easy higher value gov't targets?
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Mar 23, 2016 - 06:49am PT
because it is Terrorism; it is specifically designed to target civilians to cause terror among the masses, to destabilize the government and destroy public confidence in the system

OK, oh, Fear, oh great one, I bow to your incredible ST knowledge
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Mar 23, 2016 - 06:50am PT
Europe needs MORE Christianity.

Only Christianity with its higher fertility rate can prevent Islam with its very high fertility rate from overrunning the continent over the next 100 years.

So goes the argument that is hard to negate insofar as one's aim is to preserve European culture.


(There is a low birth rate in Europe, many contribute it to secularism.)
...


"The trick is seeing past the BS and asking who funded and equipped the murderers..."

Fear, I cannot think of anyone here more obtuse than you in dismissing religion's role in this mess. It is hard to believe that in religious America, you've apparently had such little contact with religious people, fundamentalists or conservatives in particular, that you can be so CLUELESS regarding their beliefs and how they motivate them.

Half the solution to a problem is correctly identifying the causes of the problem to begin with.
Srbphoto

climber
Kennewick wa
Mar 23, 2016 - 07:01am PT
10-15 minutes before paramedics arrive? Really?

I think something happened about a hour before that may have distracted them.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 23, 2016 - 07:36am PT
The Belgium Death Bounce. No matter who loses, money always wins.

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Mar 23, 2016 - 07:46am PT
because it is Terrorism; it is specifically designed to target civilians to cause terror among the masses, to destabilize the government and destroy public confidence in the system

But that's wrong. Targeting civilians strengthens the gov't. Always has and always will. These attacks didn't destabilize anything. There are a thousand better, soft even, targets to hit if the goal was real disruption.

And although I'm not a fan of any flavor of imaginary friend worship, the core problem here isn't religion. Certainly that's the tool d'jour used to recruit said nutcases but it isn't the cause.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Mar 23, 2016 - 07:51am PT
Its not kneejerk to use christianity as a parallel to the f*#kery of islam, its a clear example.
I agree

Islamic terrorist have killed less than 5,000 people here in America.

Christian terrorist used to kill 5,000 women every single year - for decades - before abortion became legal and women could get safe medical procedures. Christian terrorism has killed over 50,000 women here in the USA.

Who is the real threat to America? The Islamic foreigners in other countries who occasionally get through and kill here and there? Or the millions of Christians who are here in the USA who want to take away my freedom, subject me to their religious laws, and have killed our American women by the thousands?
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Mar 23, 2016 - 07:53am PT

Clearly Islam Hates US ..... all of us.

Stereotype much?

I worked for a Muslim. Mohammad was his name, and he was a great person.
He would go to happy hour with us(except during Ramadan).
I guess he really hated us.
couchmaster

climber
Mar 23, 2016 - 08:16pm PT

Since Fattrad hasn't stepped back up and our Monkey Brains are still in overtime (**see note below), here ya go. Clash. Interesting if this will occur on Good Friday or not. The doomed man's picture, it says that he is facing crucifixion, Father Tom Uzhunnalil:


"Fears are growing for a priest believed to have been kidnapped by ISIS as sickening reports suggest he may be crucified on Good Friday. Father Tom Uzhunnalil was seized when four armed militants stormed an old people's home in Aden in Yemen on March 4. The gunmen killed 16 people, including four nuns, in the brutal attack on the home run by the in a brutal raid which killed 16 people including four nuns."


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/fears-grow-priest-kidnapped-isis-7618221

**President Obama says we are more likely to slip in a bathtub than be a victim of a terrorist attack. 464 people drowned in America in tubs in 2013, while 17 were killed here by terrorists in 2014.
ecdh

climber
the east
Mar 24, 2016 - 05:25am PT
Good choice. extra bonus theyve got some oil, a festering radical scene and some minorities to pick on.

What could go wrong?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Mar 24, 2016 - 05:48am PT
YER GUNNA DIE..

Apparently many want to die with fascist on their tombstone.

Freaking out over one of the lowest causes of death there is.

Carry on idiotic cowards.

Two days ago over 3000 people in the US died from


CANCER

F*#K CANCER.. Not Muslims or even ISIS

I am pretty sickened by so called Americans who claim to have "values or convictions". Most apparently have no idea what those words mean. They do not mean abandon your principles every time you see something scary happening on TV.

Cowards ...very sad how many there are in this Nation.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Mar 24, 2016 - 06:40am PT
Here climbski2, just for you.

Nicholas Kristof...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/24/opinion/terrorists-bathtubs-and-snakes.html

...

It's amazing how many people confuse (1) don't be afraid and (b) don't do anything.

"Don't overreact. Don't be afraid. Don't do anything. Keep perspective. It's no big deal. It's only 30."

Of course these people - many liberals - will be the first to turncoat after the next 9/11 (the so-called 9/12) only to cry,
We didn't do enough.
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2016 - 08:31am PT
But that's wrong. Targeting civilians strengthens the gov't. Always has and always will. These attacks didn't destabilize anything. There are a thousand better, soft even, targets to hit if the goal was real disruption.

This is true.

Why not poison our water systems? Destroy a dam? Take out electric and power systems?

These terror attacks are not destabilizing other than mentally destabilizing. I think that is the true goal of these fuk arses.

overwatch

climber
Arizona
Mar 24, 2016 - 08:48am PT
Why not poison our water systems? Destroy a dam? Take out electric and power systems?

Classic, limited in number targets that are probably better secured than you believe. Poisoning a water supply, for example, would be a big operation.



Mentally destabilizing is, you guessed it, destabilizing.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 24, 2016 - 08:58am PT
Stereotype much?

I worked for a Muslim. Mohammad was his name, and he was a great person.
He would go to happy hour with us(except during Ramadan).
I guess he really hated us.


Try it sometime.... what religion are 100% of the Jihadist warriors part of?

Now only a fool says 100% of the Muslims are Jihadies .... nobody is saying that.

And its good thing you know a Muslim.... I know some black folks too.

brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2016 - 09:19am PT
Classic, limited in number targets that are probably better secured than you believe. Poisoning a water supply, for example, would be a big operation.

Well the a-hole who shot up San Berdoo with his broad worked right down the street from me and was a health inspector.

He went to numerous schools and other places. I'm sure he could have done some major damage with his intel and access to places. At least more damage than what occurred with the shootings.

So I don't think its so out there to think that some of these big operations as you say could be pulled off.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Mar 24, 2016 - 09:38am PT
So I don't think its so out there to think that some of these big operations as you say could be pulled off.

Never said it was. Just wondering what your concept of operation would be to poison a city water supply or blow up a dam? A guy with a test tube or a dude swimming up with a mine?
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2016 - 10:03am PT
Never said it was. Just wondering what your concept of operation would be to poison a city water supply or blow up a dam? A guy with a test tube or a dude swimming up with a mine?

Never said I had a plan or a concept hahaha.

Perhaps I should think of a good plan then upload it here?


I'm just simply saying I agree that the normal terror attacks are not destabilizing other than mentally.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Mar 24, 2016 - 10:12am PT
Really wrapped around the axle over that word? How about erode confidence in?

Anyway, standard boilerplate Terrorism 101
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 24, 2016 - 10:12am PT
Apparently many want to die with fascist on their tombstone.

Freaking out over one of the lowest causes of death there is.

Carry on idiotic cowards.

Two days ago over 3000 people in the US died from


CANCER

F*#K CANCER.. Not Muslims or even ISIS

I am pretty sickened by so called Americans who claim to have "values or convictions". Most apparently have no idea what those words mean. They do not mean abandon your principles every time you see something scary happening on TV.

Cowards ...very sad how many there are in this Nation.


You make it sound as if we sit around quaking in our homes waiting for a terrorist attack.

If you choose to ignore the fact that your country has been targeted for random, indiscriminate murder, that's fine.

If you choose to ignore the fact these threats are currently being acted upon on an increasing number, that's fine too! You'll probably never be in the same town of one of these attacks.

You're safe, no need to worry about being personally affected by Islamic terrorism.

Don't worry about the innocent people ripped apart with nail/rat-poison bombs. Their families will grieve for them and they'll be just fine.

Nothing to see here, you will be fine.
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2016 - 10:25am PT
Really wrapped around the axle over that word? How about erode confidence in?

LOL

Thank you Mr. Thesaurus
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Mar 24, 2016 - 10:26am PT
No thesaurus needed, rocked that sh#t off the top of my head
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Mar 24, 2016 - 11:05am PT
Google...

How to make TATP?




It'll blow you away.
Dropline

Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
Mar 24, 2016 - 11:08am PT
Hydrogen peroxide and certain kinds of hair dye are going to have to be banned. Seriously.

Or restricted at least.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 24, 2016 - 11:10am PT
TATP is a nasty, nasty explosive. A lot of heat/flames.

Not too hard to make either, just be careful with the finished product. Very sensitive to temps/friction/agitation. (a lot of premature explosions in terrorist attacks)
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Mar 24, 2016 - 11:15am PT
Hydrogen peroxide and certain kinds of hair dye are going to have to be banned. Seriously. Or restricted at least.


Aren't you surprised, given what's on social media, youtube, etc... step by step, it isn't already?

But then again, climbski2 assures us, nothing here to worry about,
we're just a bunch of cowards, alarmists and such.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Mar 24, 2016 - 11:19am PT
I'm still trying to confirm / validate this morning's CBS story... that gram for gram it's about as powerful as TNT... and just .1 lb, a little over an ounce, can blow a door off a car.

and yet step by step recipe on youtube and kids are making it?
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2016 - 11:29am PT
^^^ Fukn stoopid internets.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 24, 2016 - 12:10pm PT
I could be wrong, but anything having to do with making explosives on the internet is going to be heavily monitored by LEO. If you aren't already in a DHS database somewhere, that'd be a good way to get on it.

click the link.

At least I hope this is the protocol. Given the bunch of incompetents running the show now, who knows.

AKDOG

Mountain climber
Anchorage, AK
Mar 24, 2016 - 12:10pm PT

30 people dead and multiple wounded, condolences to all those whose family or friends were killed and to those who have suffered life altering injuries. The usual ass-clowns are out saying it is not a problem because more people die from drowning or car accidents.

Europe is awesome, the beer, the food, art work, cathedrals, people, climbing and everything else. These terrorist are third generation Europeans, raised and harbored in Islamic neighborhoods. If anything right now we need to support our European brothers and sisters as they try and deal with this growing sht storm. Islam has a problem and can only change from within, and the first step would be admitting there is a serious problem.
One thing is for sure the majority of Europeans don’t want to trade in freedom for a Hijab and can only be pushed so far before this turns really ugly.


zBrown

Ice climber
Mar 24, 2016 - 12:23pm PT
EVACUATE YOUR CITIES

The U.S. knows how to do terror. Where is Truman's grandson when he is needed. Nuke the bastards.


For several months, the U.S. had dropped more than 63 million leaflets across Japan warning civilians of air raids. Many Japanese cities suffered terrible damage from aerial bombings; some were as much as 97% destroyed. LeMay thought that leaflets would increase the psychological impact of bombing, and reduce the international stigma of area-bombing cities.


In preparation for dropping an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, U.S. military leaders decided against a demonstration bomb, and against a special leaflet warning, in both cases because of the uncertainty of a successful detonation, and the wish to maximize psychological shock.[90] No warning was given to Hiroshima that a new and much more destructive bomb was going to be dropped.[91] Various sources give conflicting information about when the last leaflets were dropped on Hiroshima prior to the atomic bomb. Robert Jay Lifton writes that it was July 27,[91] and Theodore H. McNelly that it was July 3.[90]



TO THE JAPANESE PEOPLE:
America asks that you take immediate heed of what we say on this leaflet.

We are in possession of the most destructive explosive ever devised by man. A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s can carry on a single mission. This awful fact is one for you to ponder and we solemnly assure you it is grimly accurate.

We have just begun to use this weapon against your homeland. If you still have any doubt, make inquiry as to what happened to Hiroshima when just one atomic bomb fell on that city.

Before using this bomb to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, we ask that you now petition the Emperor to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better and peace-loving Japan.

You should take steps now to cease military resistance. Otherwise, we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.

EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.

ATTENTION JAPANESE PEOPLE. EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
Because your military leaders have rejected the thirteen part surrender declaration, two momentous events have occurred in the last few days.

The Soviet Union, because of this rejection on the part of the military has notified your Ambassador Sato that it has declared war on your nation. Thus, all powerful countries of the world are now at war with you.

Also, because of your leaders' refusal to accept the surrender declaration that would enable Japan to honorably end this useless war, we have employed our atomic bomb.

A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s could have carried on a single mission. Radio Tokyo has told you that with the first use of this weapon of total destruction, Hiroshima was virtually destroyed.

Before we use this bomb again and again to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, petition the emperor now to end the war. Our president has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender. We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better, and peace-loving Japan.

Act at once or we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all our other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.

EVACUATE YOUR CITIES.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 24, 2016 - 12:37pm PT
Yeah, what AKDOG said.

Of course, for many years now the writing was on the wall in Europe. They chose to ignore it, for fear of reprisals and upsetting the staus-quo and their grand socialist-styled countries.

Most of the common-sense Europeans who speak out about what has happened to their countries and cultures get called every name under the sun. Kinda like here.

God help the Europeans find the will to stand strong for their homelands. I think it's too late, that it will take much more death for Europe to wake up.
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 24, 2016 - 01:05pm PT
Islam has a problem and can only change from within, and the first step would be admitting there is a serious problem.

I agree.

I just don't see any feasible way to rout out the real terrorists from the normal non-threatening Muslims. Their culture is now ingrained all throughout Europe. These terrorist incidents are definitely not gonna get better any time soon. I think these types of stories are gonna be the norm for years to come...even after ISIS is gone.
PAUL SOUZA

Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
Mar 24, 2016 - 01:08pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
zBrown

Ice climber
Mar 24, 2016 - 01:29pm PT
^Three sentences from the so-called secret 7-page document are displayed.

Where is the beef?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Mar 24, 2016 - 02:27pm PT
You make it sound as if we sit around quaking in our homes waiting for a terrorist attack.

I just assumed you must be since you seem to want to destroy the principles this nation was founded on in order to "feel safe". Sad thing is all this monitor all muslims bullshit will not makre you safer..but you dont even understand that.

Maybe you are not scared..maybe you are just an as#@&%e who likes fascism and will use any excuse to have it.

As for me

GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!!!!!!

I think I might just become a Muslim to stand up for those who are being unfairly targeted by bigots and morons.

But then again, climbski2 assures us, nothing here to worry about,
we're just a bunch of cowards, alarmists and such.

NO
Pretty sure what I said was YER GUNNA DIE.. try to do so with some class.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 24, 2016 - 02:31pm PT
I just assumed you must be since you seem to want to destroy the principles this nation was founded on in order to "feel safe"

What principle did I advocate destroying? All men created equal? Pursuit of happiness?

Maybe you are not scared..maybe you are just an as#@&%e who likes fascism and will use any excuse to have it.

What is fascist about what I advocate?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Mar 24, 2016 - 02:35pm PT
Meh..I guess all you have advocated for in this thread is monitoring of components for explosives. Hard to argue with that.

My rant is Directed at those who wish to ban muslims or make all of them sign up for monitoring and similar fascist bullsh#t. Apologies to bluering.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 24, 2016 - 02:46pm PT
My rant is Directed at those who wish to ban muslims or make all of them sign up for monitoring and similar fascist bullsh#t.

I guess I'm a "fascist" then, don't apologize. I DO WANT all people screened who come here, very well too. I am not opposed to secret monitoring of mosques with ties to terrorism.

And unknown refugees from active conflict zones? Stop them, or direct them somewhere safe. This would not apply to children accompanying women (as long as this is not advertised).

STEEVEE

Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
Mar 24, 2016 - 03:05pm PT
How many mainstream Islamic Leaders have come out to condem these or any other attacks?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslim-clerics-condemn-terrorism_us_
It's a slippery slope when we start to generalize a group of people. What we should be asking is why are young men willing to commit this violence. What make them easy targets for recruiters. The same tactics for recruiting young men into our own armed forces to kill in the name of "Freedom and Patriotism" have been used for ages.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 24, 2016 - 03:19pm PT
The same tactics for recruiting young men into our own armed forces to kill in the name of "Freedom and Patriotism" have been used for ages.

Go phuk yourself you lying sack of sh!t. You obviously have not served and with a brain
like yours peeling potatoes would have been above your pay grade. Yeah, we deliberately
target airports and subway stations of countries we're not at war with?
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 24, 2016 - 03:24pm PT
Like everywhere else, here, there are a body of people, whom have decided to accept a certain level of carnage, to avoid making difficult decisions.

Good to know who does and does not, have my back.

In Belgium today, a lot of blood, is on the hands of similar thinking people. Seems the terrorist wasn't questioned thoroughly about upcoming ops. People died and a permanently disfigured as a result.

Belgian law enforcement officials questioned terror suspect Salah Abdeslam for about one hour between the time of his arrest Friday and the Brussels attacks Tuesday, according to Abdeslam’s attorney and two sources familiar with the investigation.

http://www.politico.eu/article/belgium-terror-attacks-questioned-salah-abdeslam-for-only-one-hour-before-terror-attacks/



labrat

Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
Mar 24, 2016 - 03:26pm PT
Yikes Reilly. Calm it down a bit. Ranting like that will cause you problems in the high blood pressure department...
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Mar 24, 2016 - 03:37pm PT
Did you miss the line at MEPS that offered virgins for service, Reilly, sir?
Alexey

climber
San Jose, CA
Mar 24, 2016 - 03:38pm PT
His writing, reading and comprehension skills dramatically improved
STEEVEE

Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
Mar 24, 2016 - 03:45pm PT

Go phuk yourself you lying sack of sh!t. You obviously have not served and with a brain
like yours peeling potatoes would have been above your pay grade. Yeah, we deliberately
target airports and subway stations of countries we're not at war with?
I don't believe we have met but your statement is a perfect example of why there's violence committed upon one another. Have a nice day!
labrat

Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
Mar 24, 2016 - 03:47pm PT
When I was at MEPS in San Diego they certainly lied to me ;-) Don't remember that part..

History has certainly shown that demonizing and dehumanizing the enemy or foes is used by armed forces. Much harder to pull the trigger or drop that bomb otherwise.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Mar 24, 2016 - 03:54pm PT
Maybe some of that still today but modern firing rates in combat are higher due mainly to realistic conditioned response high stress training. the real change started after World War II when they stopped shooting at bull's-eyes and adopted man-shaped silhouettes
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Mar 24, 2016 - 05:31pm PT
Christianity eventually outgrew it's crusades. I expect not all Christians supported them, then or now. Now we get a taste of what it was like for non-Christians.
Norton

Social climber
Mar 24, 2016 - 05:38pm PT

ISIS Is Getting Their Asses Kicked All Over Iraq and Syria

BEIRUT — As European governments scramble to contain the expanding terrorist threat posed by the Islamic State, on the battlefield in Iraq and Syria the group is a rapidly diminishing force.

In the latest setbacks for the militants on Thursday, Syrian government troops entered the outskirts of the historic town of Palmyra after a weeks-old offensive aided by Russian airstrikes, and U.S. airstrikes helped Iraqi forces overrun a string of Islamic State villages in northern Iraq that had been threatening a U.S. base nearby.

These are just two of the many fronts in both countries where the militants are being squeezed, stretched and pushed back. Nowhere are they on the attack. They have not embarked on a successful offensive in nearly nine months. Their leaders are dying in U.S. strikes at the rate of one every three days, inhibiting their ability to launch attacks, according to U.S. military officials.

Front-line commanders no longer speak of a scarily formidable foe but of Islamic State defenses that crumble within days and fighters who flee at the first sign they are under attack.
HP
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Mar 24, 2016 - 05:46pm PT
Wow..such a small threat causing such insane reactions.

You guys are waaay more dangerous than the terrorists.

Sad to see this civilization evaporate over such a pinprick.

Salute to previous generations who didnt quite go so apeshit over much greater problems.

Jeez..car accidents killed more people in the US that day. Each death a tragedy exactly as much as each in Belgium.

Declare war on Toyota!!!!
STEEVEE

Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
Mar 24, 2016 - 06:41pm PT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/muslim-clerics-condemn-terrorism_us_566adfa1e4b009377b249dea
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 24, 2016 - 09:41pm PT
A pinprick. I genuinely hope that the happenings of the next decade prove you right.

I for one am not such an optimist. The demographic trends in Europe are not the recipe for a peaceful future. I have a brother who lives near Lyon, southern France. The picture he paints of what is going on there is not pretty.

And what about here in our country?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis-community-struggles-with-isis-recruiting-tactics/

Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Mar 25, 2016 - 05:07am PT
America has been so insulated from terrorism, even after 9/11, that it is easy to be so dismissive.
I don't want any more of a security state than we already have, but people need to wake up to trends like what is going on in Minnesota. It only takes a few bad apples (not even 250) to pull off a suicide attack like the one in Brussels.
No, Steevee, not all Muslims are radical. I was glad to see that Imams, in India at least, are speaking out against terrorists. But, here's what gets me the most:
You don't have to be religious to be a good, peaceful, compassionate person, but it seems to be a prerequisite for terrorists. They need to subscribe to some irrational belief system in order to either motivate them to such a degree, or to justify such actions.

Let's be very clear, the problem is not the Muslim people, it is their twisted ideology. It is a flawed belief system. Not the only one, by the way.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 25, 2016 - 06:45am PT
ISIS - Syria and Iraq - is presently losing ground rapidly. Desertions are up.
In Yemen and Libya, it is still increasingly successful. The Yemen ISIS, says it will crucify a Christian Priest today, to mark Good Friday.

crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Mar 25, 2016 - 07:14am PT
Here's some good news:

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/274287-report-us-kills-isis-second-in-command
STEEVEE

Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
Mar 25, 2016 - 08:20am PT
I was just listening to the news this morning on NPR and they were interviewing one the shop owners in the Muslim neighborhood of Brussels who knew two of the terrorist involved in the attack, and he stated that they weren't even religious. They went to clubs, drank, chased girls, trafficked drugs...not your stereotypical "good Muslim". Terrorism is a distraction from the real issues that threaten our survival(global warming, water shortages, famines, and the inevitable economic collapse), yet we have been hoodwinked, divided and conquered into believing Muslims instead of capitalists are our enemies.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 25, 2016 - 08:22am PT
If you all know anyone in Sofia, Bulgaria you may want to tell them to be diligent.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4782658,00.html

John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 25, 2016 - 08:22am PT
ISIS will die, but the suicide to paradise ideology, will survive. It will continue to rear its angry head worldwide. By assassinating the leaders, we demean ourselves to their level. A short term feel good fix. We need to have Islam, eliminate that ideology.

bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 25, 2016 - 08:25am PT
We need to have Islam, eliminate that ideology.


How long do we need to give them to handle this? Or, how many will die needlessly before this is addressed?

My patience is very near it's end. Seriously.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 25, 2016 - 08:37am PT
Under the current political climate, that will not happen. The leaders, will not lead. Things are going to get very ugly in the Hillary Clinton Administration.

rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Mar 25, 2016 - 08:42am PT
Living with fear is cool if it supports our self-actualization through climbing, but not if it supports building a diverse global community. Don't let any of our fears enter the country! Build a wall! Round them up and kill them! Or at least plop them down ion the sofa in front of the tv.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
Mar 25, 2016 - 08:45am PT
Curious to know what can be expected once it does end???

lol
STEEVEE

Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
Mar 25, 2016 - 08:53am PT
Werner once said, "It's not that women have gotten tougher, it's just that men have become a bunch of pussies."
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Mar 25, 2016 - 09:12am PT
Curious to know what can be expected once it does end???...

aneurysm

I would have stayed behind just to hang in a firing hole with those honey warriors
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Mar 25, 2016 - 09:28am PT
Another day of the running gun battle in Brussels. We just pumped 1.5 Billion into a new NATO HQ.
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Mar 25, 2016 - 11:31am PT
". . . he stated that they weren't even religious. They went to clubs, drank, chased girls, trafficked drugs...not your stereotypical "good Muslim".

Right, I don't doubt that. That is typical behavior for soon to be Martyrs. All their sins will be forgiven, 72 virgins, yadayada . . .
What type of arguement does it take to convince these people to commit suicide? A well reasoned rational arguement? Or, a radical religious arguement.

The real enemy is "corporatism", not capitalism.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Mar 25, 2016 - 11:59am PT
lol article says that somebody said that 250 people tried to join something

One ISIS suicide bomber just killed at least 39 in a soccer stadium near Bagdhad two hours ago.
STEEVEE

Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
Mar 25, 2016 - 12:20pm PT

Characteristics central to capitalism include private property (mine, mine ,mine), capital accumulation(greed), wage labor (slave labor), voluntary exchange( if I feel like sharing), a price system (price fixing), and competitive markets (eliminate the competition).
I suppose capitalism devolves even more into corporatism. Whatever.
When the religion is money, I believe it trumps all other religions in terms of terrorism.
One man's terrorist is another man's hero.
I personally am an Atheist...but there are plenty of ideological Atheists who would give there life and take a life to prove a point. Patriotism comes to mind.
Another scenario: if you marginalize, devalue, and assault me, I think I might get pretty pissed off, I might want to join or start a club for people like myself.
But no doubt that some interpretations and misinterpretations of Islam have created a radical class, but it's plain hypocrisy to call some of these terrorist "crazy lunatics" when you look at what we've done to the Middle East. If any of us were living under the same conditions as they are after having our country invaded leaving a power vacuum leading to social collapse and civil war, then we might grow desperate ourselves.
ecdh

climber
the east
Mar 25, 2016 - 04:37pm PT
A good chunk of all this - be it Daesh morons, american patriots, hezbollah wannabes, israelu conscripts, whatever - is them being young losers who find permission to live out their pathological fantasies.
Young people with no better options get the place and twisted authority to 'prove' themselves in a real life video game/historic drama/heroic myth fuelled by the stupid comic book storylines of their adolescent hey day.

In some places young losers play dungeons and dragons, in others they rape their friends sisters and jerk off over beheadings.

Blame capitalism, poverty, middle class-ity etc all you want, but all they do is provide the permission to execute what religion instigates. All political megasystems result in a loser class - communism didnt stop the Chechen or Tajik islamists any more than capitalism stops the neo-nazis and kkk. But the ignorance of religion catalyzes both to manipulate the woes of either to justify sadistic actions.
Daesh wankers use religion as leverage for their sado-erotic loser dreams like bong smoking teenagers leverage death metal for theirs - only the idiocies of religion set a precedence to make them heros by taking it further.

I think the interviewd uncle of the Boston bomers said it perfectly when he called them nothing more than ungrateful losers.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 25, 2016 - 04:42pm PT
A female, muslim sociologist who early on spent some time with ISIS said almost all of the recruits grew up in homes either without fathers or with abusive fathers and with more of the latter than the former.
overwatch

climber
Arizona
Mar 25, 2016 - 05:03pm PT
lol guess who killed the most people ever in bagdad

shok and awwwww

Man, that was dumb
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 25, 2016 - 05:31pm PT
Guess how many Iranians and Iraqis were killed in their little set-to.
Makes our adventures there look like school yard shite. They love killing
each other as much as killing us.
Yinzer

Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
Mar 25, 2016 - 07:59pm PT
Check this out for some positivity...

[Click to View YouTube Video]

mostly for ECDH

the text is at the root of the problem for Islam

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 25, 2016 - 08:58pm PT
ecdh

climber
the east
Mar 26, 2016 - 05:04pm PT
yinzer, wow...its like an ad for an airline. i must have missed the mentions of institutionalized child rape, fascist compliance, mysogeny, links to the ira, authorized protectionism, harboring criminals, government manipulation, tax exclusion, impedance of science and ignorance of epidemic disease - ie the things ive seen in my short lifetime (harder to attest to the other 2000 years of the organizations history).

thanks for posting. nauseating stuff.

i guess the only thing is none of that is confined to catholicism. they neednt feel like they are being singled out.

islams problem being in the script is bang on - as it is for all ideologies. To compound it islam IS the text. The arrogance of this is astounding in so many ways as to be laughable if not for the deadly stupidity that results from it.
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
Mar 27, 2016 - 06:22am PT
Steevee is right, in that the US and its allies do have to take responsibility for their role in inspiring a war on the West.

I was checking out this interview with drone operators who are speaking out.
http://www.democracynow.org/2015/11/20/exclusive_2_air_force_vets_speak
Talk about a sick culture of death.
Makes me reconsider the seemingly innocuous gaming culture. Whenever I look in on our "gamers club" at our high school, they are invariably playing combat games.
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Mar 27, 2016 - 08:26am PT
Yes, surely the USA has played a role in some f*#ked up things in the Middle East, and must accept some responsibility for the hatred against us.

Not the Muslim world in general, but ISIS itself? IMO those sick twisted bastards deserve every f*#king bomb dropped on them.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Mar 27, 2016 - 08:37am PT
Steevee is right, in that the US and its allies do have to take responsibility for their role in inspiring a war on the West.

It's always easeir to blame others for your terrorist ways. But, really it just means you are an as#@&%e and need to be killed in the shortest time frame possible....
ecdh

climber
the east
Mar 27, 2016 - 02:54pm PT
And f*#k those pakistan/afghan taliban cowards too.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Mar 27, 2016 - 05:26pm PT
"In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA"

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-cia-pentagon-isis-20160327-story.html

I'm glad our foreign policy is being directed by people who know what they're doing.

Wouldn't it be smarter to arm neither side? It'd certainly be more cost effective.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 27, 2016 - 06:24pm PT
It's always easeir to blame others for your terrorist ways. But, really it just means you are an as#@&%e and need to be killed in the shortest time frame possible....


Thank you. I am sick and f*#king tired of hearing this bullsh#t. I (we the US) am causing terrorism?

The United States is responsible, for example, for the conditions that led a Pakistani group to deliberately target a park loaded with MINORITY Christians with a f*#king powerful bomb loaded with extra ball-bearings for shrapnel?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/03/27/blast-near-pakistan-park-kills-10.html

We need to attempt to understand why these people slaughter kids with nail-bombs?

You really can not accept the answer if you have to ask the question.

They hate you! If you are not Islamic enough they will gleefully kill you with no remorse. Then they will probably rape your women AND THEN sell them off to someone else to start all over again.

Gay? You get thrown off a building if you're lucky.

Moderate muslim who's kind to fellow Christians? Dead!
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?D=03/27/2016&SO=&HC=1&ID=450341

I'm starting to think that this is not limited to "radical" islamists either. There seems to be a hands-off approach in many countries that spawn these sub-humans.

It may be getting to the time to up the ante on some countries...I think some know who they are too!
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.php?D=03/27/2016&SO=&HC=2&ID=450390


Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Mar 27, 2016 - 09:50pm PT
I am sick and f*#king tired of hearing this bullsh#t. I (we the US) am causing terrorism?

Make that two of us, Bluey. The ME has been a moral, intellectual, and
economic vacuum since they got their asses booted out of Spain in 1492.
They have to hate somebody other than their own sorry asses so we're the
best boogeyman since the French and Brits left. If we pull out they'll go
right back to beating on each other as they have for yonks as that is what
they really prefer because worshipping the wrong descendant of The Prophet
is SO WRONG!
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 27, 2016 - 09:59pm PT
couchmaster

climber
Mar 28, 2016 - 05:49am PT


Crucifixion of a Priest is todays ISIS news. OK, now. Who saw this coming? Fortunately, they really are not "Islamic" or Muslims per folks upthread. Just poor misunderstood boys who grew up without fathers or in an abusive relationship with one. They're just like the kids here playing dungeons and dragons. Uhhh, yeah. Nice to learn all that here. Lets send some therapists over and fix the issue.
"ISIS carries out Good Friday crucifixion of Indian Catholic priest in Yemen after he was kidnapped three weeks ago in attack on old people's home where four nuns were shot"
Stay tuned for the Utube video. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3512288/ISIS-carries-Good-Friday-crucifixion-Indian-Catholic-priest-Yemen-kidnapped-three-weeks-ago.html
STEEVEE

Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
Mar 28, 2016 - 08:32am PT
Here's an interesting article.http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/are-foreign-recruits-causing-idealogical-rifts-in-isis
No doubt that ISIS are some sick phucks, but what situation was created to cultivate such a terrorist group. And then we destroy ISIS, what then? What about the 10 million refugees that have left to avoid the violence. What do they look forward to coming home to. The whole situation is phucked. We created this monster through our foreign policy and oil extraction whether you believe or not, now we have to deal with it.
It easy to say they "just hate us" if you're willing to be lazy and pull the trigger. We'll all do what we have to do to protect our own. I get that. But when innocence is sacrificed in greater numbers to kill of few phuck heads, then they won already.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 28, 2016 - 08:53am PT
Many of our policies the past several decades, notably the disastrous Iraq War, have no doubt exacerbated many bad situations, but Steve, you ignore the fact that there were generations of conflict that preceded our relatively recent entry into the area. Your analysis greatly oversimplifies things, ignoring quite a bit of history.
STEEVEE

Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
Mar 28, 2016 - 09:18am PT
I agree. The tribal culture of the Middle East is complex and thousands of years old. That's exactly my point. We should have never have phucked around in there to begin with. We should have let them evolve internally and organically. But too late for that now.
By the way, our recent involvement in the Middle East is just an adoption of imperialism that's been around for centuries. We just put a pretty face on it and call it "Democracy" and install our friendly leaders through coups or military and financial support. And if they get out of control, we'll just invade them or assassinate them https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US/Foreign_Assassinations_since_1945
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Mar 28, 2016 - 09:23am PT
If only we had a strong president like the hairdo to bomb everything into dust, all our problems would be solved.

What's that they say about "We can defeat an army much easier than we can defeat an idea."?
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 30, 2016 - 09:10am PT
I like shooting just like most, but this seems 'not usual';

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/03/29/17-men-reportedly-heard-chanting-firing-off-shots-in-apple-valley-detained-released/

No wrongdoing. Just shooting guns in the desert. Carry on....
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 30, 2016 - 10:40am PT
Chanting Allah-Hoo-Ak-Bar repeatedly while shooting guns in the desert is a damn good way to get detained.
dirtbag

climber
Mar 30, 2016 - 12:13pm PT
^^^Lol.

And try doing that if you're black...
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Mar 30, 2016 - 12:15pm PT
Whereas toting an AR15 into a Starbucks, wearing a cowboy hat and saying Godbless is a-ok.

Got yer point, but in Ca. that would not be too kosher, illegal in fact. Maybe Texas, or open-carry States that is not unusual.

But, shooting guns in the desert is legal, even in Ca.! So is chanting Allahu Akbar as you fire. It's legal.

...just unusual.
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Apr 2, 2016 - 09:16am PT
ISIS is not a threat in America. Christians are the real threat in America.

"World history is rife with instances of cruelty and barbarism at the hands of Christians, but since this is America it is one of those subjects few are willing to ever mention. Sadly, there is still an inordinate amount of cruelty and barbarism attributable to Christians who also happen to be exclusively American Republicans.

"Even though they are not beheading or burning their victims at the stake, they are causing undue pain and suffering to other Americans, primarily women. It is all an integral part of their cherished religious liberty and as is nearly always the case it is women taking the brunt of the inhumane cruelty....."

Full article here:
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/01/cruel-texas-republicans-force-women-deliver-dead-babies.html
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 2, 2016 - 09:55am PT
Lets show some more love for our own home grown nut jobs!!


http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/right-wing-extremists-militants-bigger-threat-america-isis-jihadists-422743.html
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 2, 2016 - 10:03am PT
^^^Yep.....a bunch of crankloons.

Has the whole world gone crazy?

Am I the only one who gives a sh#t about the rules?
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Apr 2, 2016 - 10:21am PT
No, thankfully you're not.
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2016 - 08:24am PT
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2016 - 08:26am PT
These ISIS fuks are the biggest pansies of all time.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/07/middleeast/isis-human-shield-mosul/index.html
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2016 - 10:07am PT
You can't even relax and have coffee with these pu$$ies lurking around.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/13/middleeast/iraq-violence/index.html
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Oct 16, 2016 - 05:27pm PT
The Four Horsemen are coming for Daesh in Mosul.

Fossil climber

Trad climber
Atlin, B. C.
Oct 16, 2016 - 08:38pm PT
Got a strong feeling that following the election, no matter who wins and thanks to the rabble-rouser, there will be some serious home grown terrorist activity from the radicals on both sides. And probably all rom "patriotic" Americans, not Muslims. There's nothing more dangerous or irrational than a true believer.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Oct 16, 2016 - 08:43pm PT
I Think you're right. It appears the radical militant left has already picked up where they left off after assaulting people at Trump rallies.

'Nazi Republicans get out': GOP headquarters in NC town firebombed
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nc-republican-office-firebombed-nazi-gopers-threatened-graffiti-n667316
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 16, 2016 - 09:11pm PT
There's nothing more dangerous or irrational than a true believer...

unless it's a non-belever, which is to say a member of the great unwashed who do more harm through their lack of conviction in anything other than abject mediocrity.

But to return to the subject at hand I must say I am pleasantly surprised to see the resolve being exhibited by the Iraqis. There may be grounds for hope although the Sunni/Shiite divide is as deep as ever and will likely last many generations.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Oct 16, 2016 - 09:11pm PT
I Think you're right. It appears the radical militant left has already picked up where they left off after assaulting people at Trump rallies.

'Nazi Republicans get out': GOP headquarters in NC town firebombed

You are dumber than I thought. It was teaparty operatives.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 17, 2016 - 11:12am PT
Daesh takes hard body shots in Libya.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-security-sirte-idUSKBN12H1U9
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Oct 17, 2016 - 11:20am PT
Good link Reilly!

Yes, I too have been pleased with the comeback of the Iraqi military. Please please please, let them get a grip on their country and implement some stability.

What worries me is where do all the scattered, yet fanatical rats go? There will be plenty of them left alive, and their desire to kill will never leave most of them. After all, God told them it was cool.

My dream is that someday their sick ideology will pass into the history books as many other movements throughout time have. Not before they create a helluva lot more misery though...
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Oct 17, 2016 - 11:24am PT
My dream is that someday their sick ideology will pass into the history books as many other movements throughout time have.

Our own country promotes the sickest ideologies of all. With Killary already in place, the MIC will have an absolute field day.

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Oct 17, 2016 - 11:31am PT
better buy up as many guns just incase the ugly biotch gets elected..
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Oct 17, 2016 - 11:38am PT
In case. Pyro said in case.

Pyro made a funny!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 17, 2016 - 11:41am PT
Frankly, I am more concerned about falling bond yields than Daesh, but then I don't live in Hell, or the ME.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Oct 17, 2016 - 01:04pm PT
Me too, I'm far less worried that my guns will get taken away than I am about my retirement getting taken away.....
brotherbbock

climber
Alta Loma, CA
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 17, 2016 - 01:09pm PT
Good to see this thread getting some action.

I hope the innocents in Mosul can escape unscathed.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Oct 17, 2016 - 01:11pm PT
The Four Horsemen are coming for Daesh in Mosul.

Indeed. Paradise, will need to stock up on virgins.


"Intelligence" believes the Daesh HQ, is in this mosque. Here's a "before".


meanwhile, in Ramadi, the last significant place that the Iraqi Army freed, school resumed today.

Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Oct 17, 2016 - 01:34pm PT
Didn't Obama already take away all your guns?

No, like the war on drugs and other spurious government regulations, he only made them more expensive.
perswig

climber
Oct 17, 2016 - 04:13pm PT
Esco, maybe guns AS investment?

Dale
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
Oct 17, 2016 - 04:13pm PT
So how do you get rid of, ISIS, when they mix in with the regular civilians?

The regular civilians are too afraid to point out the members of ISIS
amongst them for fear of being killed.

Unfortunatly to get rid of ISIS, civilians are going to be killed
either by bombs or by ISIS retaliating against the civilians that
give them up.


Dwain, this a mess that didn't need to get this far along. It was 'allowed', through incompetent leadership, to fester and then spread.

And you're right, that it's an insidious ideology that can't be shot with bullets alone. The Iraqi (and Syrian) people need to stand up to this bullshit! Once the major chains of command/control are destroyed, it will be easier for local militias to keep things kosher.

It's a total mess that didn't need to happen.

EDIT: Nice to see kids going to school in Ramadi though!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 19, 2016 - 09:06pm PT
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37709970
Sounds like a lot of mental speculation even if the Iraqis are gaining.

Survival I have to think you share my sentiments when I see footage of ME ground pounders -
they look like they would go into tachycardia if they had to run a hundred yards and they sure
waste a lot of ammo shooting holes in the sky. Plus I've never 'gotten' the whole stick yer AK
around the corner and blindly blast away. Yeah, that shows discipline.
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Oct 19, 2016 - 09:11pm PT
Me too, I'm far less worried that my guns will get taken away than I am about my retirement getting taken away.....

clearly if you are able to keep your guns then you can fight to maintain your other rights.

f*#k people are stupid.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 19, 2016 - 10:10pm PT
Robert L, those gangsta tactics only work against other gangstas.
Against trained disciplined troops that's weak sauce.
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