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A long way from where I started
May 17, 2017 - 06:14pm PT
I spent a summer on a fire crew based just a couple of miles west of Alexis Creek.

Stories aplenty to tell about that, but for this thread, the short version is: No, Alexis Creek is not the next Sleeper Town.

I did put up a route on a cliff between our camp and the town. The only memorable thing about which was that one of the belays was a tied-off pillar of petrified bat guano in a shallow cave.
Bad Climber

Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
May 18, 2017 - 06:11am PT
Donini, yer boosterism for Barstow is killin' me. Gawd, that place is such a clot. I spent one night there on a bike ride from Tehachapi to Prescott. I was happy to leave. Wait, no, I spent another night just west of town in the final days of a coast-to-coast solo bike tour. I pulled my loaded bike up into some creosote for a pretty nice bivi. I found some random gay porn DVD boxes, and I was visited by a kit fox while I ate dinner and watched the train down in the valley alongside Route 66. Yeah, I think I'm coming around. Barstow, people, Barstow!


Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
May 18, 2017 - 06:20am PT
After yesterday's excursion I can say, without a doubt, it AINT Grand Junction!!

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
May 18, 2017 - 06:58am PT
Might not be anywhere in Colorado,for sure.

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
May 18, 2017 - 08:20am PT
Thanks for chiming in Bad Climber....Barstow.....Barstow! LA without the smog and traffic with the added bonus of New Jack City instead of Stony Point.

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 18, 2017 - 09:08am PT
Ridgecrest, CA must be in there somewhere. It has a central location to lots of different activities. Olvera's might be the best Mexican food anywhere.

Mountain climber
May 18, 2017 - 09:14am PT
Ridgecrest, CA must be in there somewhere. It has a central location to lots of different activities. Olvera's might be the best Mexican food anywhere.

I know someone who was raised in Ridgecrest. . . . . But then he moved away.

Mountain climber
Tustin, CA
Topic Author's Reply - May 18, 2017 - 11:24am PT
That controller job at the brewery must be long gone by now?

I have not started looking for work yet as I don't know exactly when I will get there.

If anyone hears of any other jobs, I'm open : )

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
May 19, 2017 - 09:49am PT
Pretty sure that Hyder/Stewart will still be sleeper town long after the rest of the universe has gone up in smoke
SC seagoat

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
May 19, 2017 - 12:43pm PT
^^^^. And you can choose your country.

Credit: SC seagoat

Then there's always Poker Creek, Alaska

Credit: SC seagoat


Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
May 19, 2017 - 01:26pm PT
Trona..... garden spot of America.

Fuel stop
Fuel stop
Credit: guyman

Owner will carry
Owner will carry
Credit: guyman

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
May 19, 2017 - 09:15pm PT
This may be too obvious to mention, but a LOT of the tribe have been settling in for good at Joshua Tree. I'm sort of thinking of it myself. I've been doing Flagstaff in the winter and San Diego in the summer for years; switching that up to JTree winter -- Dago summer would be inexpensive and convenient. My place in Flagstaff is $1200 a month, and for the last four years I've only been there five months a year, tops. It sits empty the rest of the year.

Trad climber
Suburb of Moore's Wall
May 20, 2017 - 11:31am PT
Winston-Salem, NC.

I very regularly drop off my kids at school in the morning and get in 4-5 routes before I have to pick them up from school in the afternoon. Located in a sweet spot with tons of local rock, but also very close to NRG and western NC areas. Large corporate/manufacturing employment base, med school, some tech and start ups. Not too big, not too small, traffic is a non-issue. I have been here for 23 years and I'm still finding undeveloped boulders and doing FAs on the local quartzite. Moores Wall is legit.

Never mind, this place sucks, please look away :)
another nickname

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Yazoo Ms
May 21, 2017 - 06:00pm PT
Did anybody mention Newburgh, N.Y?

It's 20 miles from New Paltz and has best 19th Cent architecture imaginable. Stunningly beautiful, small Hudson River town.

Also this, from Wikipedia:

Newburgh, New York was ranked more dangerous than 95 percent of US cities by website NeighborhoodScout, based on 2012 FBI crime data.[48] This group also ranked Newburgh as the 10th most dangerous place to live in the United States based on the same 2012 dataset.[49] It was ranked at number 12 in the previous year's rankings
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

Out Of Bed
May 21, 2017 - 06:25pm PT
Trona ? . . . . . Newburgh?. ,.. . . This place topz both
Libby, Montana.
there is something special in the air there. . . .

Libby, Montana, is a uniquely located town in northwestern Montana where the Cabinet Mountains meet the Kootenai River. Surrounded by the public lands of the Kootenai National Forest, Libby offers pristine lakes, rivers and mountain trails unencumbered by the crowds of people you would encounter anywhere else in the lower 48 states.

Downhill skiing options are some of the most varied in all the Northern Rockies with four to choose from in less than a 2-hour drive. Nordic skiers can explore the solitude of the back country or enjoy groomed trails with evening skiing.

Rivers and streams are filled with native fish that reproduce freely and don’t need to be restocked. Local guides float the Kootenai with fly fishermen from all over the world.

Hiking trails include 1400 miles of moderate to strenuous hikes that follow huckleberry laden hills to breathtaking views of the Cabinet peaks.

Wildlife sightings could include deer, elk, moose, bear, wolves, mountain lions or marmots. One can usually hear the solitary voice of a wood thrush or the tapping of a Pileated woodpecker.

In the summer the lakes are warm and invite swimming, boating and fishing. Campgrounds can be found in both developed or primitive areas. Fees are low or non-existent.

There is abundant access for snowmobiling and hundreds of miles of off-highway vehicular use trails, including single tracks for motorcycles.

Visit Libby and you will have the chance to see the mountains “the way they used to be” and still are, here in northwest Montana.
And it has need to re-populate, it will soon be offering incentives for permanent transplants.

The local residents have just received some of their compensation
Libby, Montana, is the site of one of America's worst man-made environmental disasters.
Toxic asbestos dust from the vermiculite mines that helped the town prosper for decades has killed hundreds of residents, sickening thousands more. Victims continue to surface.

Sample of mined vermiculite
The story can be traced back to 1919 when companies first started pulling vermiculite out of mines in Libby. Known commercially as Zonolite, vermiculite was used in a variety of construction materials including insulation for homes and buildings. Decades of mining the vermiculite exposed workers and residents to toxic asbestos dust.

When W.R. Grace & Company took over operation of the mines in 1963, they knew the vermiculite was contaminated with asbestos and that it caused health complications. But they didn't warn anyone, so mining continued. An estimated 400 Libby residents have died and almost three thousand more are currently suffering illnesses related to asbestos exposure. The mine closed in 1990, but the devastation caused by the mining industry in Libby didn't gain national attention or receive government intervention until 1999 when the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) stepped in and began to clean up the town.

The History Behind the Libby Tragedy

Vermiculite mining in Libby began more than 80 years ago when E.N. Alley bought the Rainy Creek claims and launched Zonolite Company. In 1963, the Maryland-based W.R. Grace and Company acquired Alley’s Zonolite business.

By this time vermiculite had been mined for more than 40 years in an area about seven miles outside of Libby. Before Grace took over ownership of the mine, a number of employees developed lung problems and several fatalities were reported. Despite these health issues, the company claimed they were “unaware of the hazards of mining and milling vermiculite” when they purchased the business.

But W.R. Grace executives did know about the mine’s high level of tremolite asbestos dust and that exposure to the dust was damaging to the lungs, yet they never said anything to their employees.

Townspeople were also affected by the asbestos-tainted vermiculite, as Grace had distributed their leftover vermiculite for use in playgrounds, backyards, gardens, roads and a number of other popular locations in the town. While the asbestos was circulating in the air around the mine, it also was included in baseball fields and other areas where children and citizens commonly spent their time.

The Nation’s Response to a Story Finally Exposed

When the Seattle Post-Intelligencer wrote a series of articles about Libby in 1999, titled “Uncivil Action: A Town Left to Die,” the story of the people of Libby finally gained national attention. The EPA set up an information center in Libby to address the problem. What followed is the largest, longest-running asbestos cleanup project in American history.

Clean up began slowly at first as EPA workers identified the sources of contamination and began an extensive Superfund investigation. It was a project unlike any that the EPA had ever seen. Vermiculite needed to be removed from Libby homes and businesses and the mine site needed to be addressed. Contamination of natural resources demanded a large scale investigation as well. Libby was finally placed on the Superfund list in 2002. In 2008 Grace was ordered to provide $250 million to cover future clean-up costs. The EPA declared a Public Health Emergency in Libby, a first for the agency.

The EPA has made progress, but cleanup efforts continue. As of 2016, the EPA has investigated more than 7,300 properties and completed cleanups at 2,275 other sites, including all schools and parks, the former vermiculite processing plants and other contaminated public areas. The EPA estimates that a few hundred locations are still in need of mitigation and expects to finish those projects in the next two to three years.

Libby Asbestos Lawsuits & Settlements

Thousands of Libby residents and former Grace & Co. mine workers have filed lawsuits against the state for a failure to warn them of the dangerous levels of asbestos contaminating the vermiculite mine. In 2011, a district court judge approved a $43 million settlement with more than 1,300 plaintiffs. An estimated 200 of those plaintiffs began receiving their portion of the settlement in 2012, more than a decade after the first lawsuit was filed.

The second major payout came in January 2017, when more than 1,000 people were awarded a $25 million settlement. Montana agencies continue to claim that the state had no legal obligation to provide warning of the mine’s dangers.

This was also covered by that bastion of faux news "The (paint) Huffing-ton post
this past March


Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
May 21, 2017 - 06:37pm PT
toss-up between Driggs and Duluth

Social climber
May 21, 2017 - 06:51pm PT
I spent a winter in Driggs- awesome but you have to really enjoy winter. Duluth looks super cool to me, is there climbing nearby?

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
May 21, 2017 - 06:55pm PT
plenty of climbing nearby -- some of it outstanding

the only problem is that the routes are just two or three pitches max

Social climber
May 21, 2017 - 07:53pm PT
I know people also surf near Duluth during winter. Hardcore!

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 21, 2017 - 08:13pm PT
problem is that the routes are just two or three pitches max

Maybe three Minniehaha pitches.

Spending a couple days in Walnut Creek, CA.
Place shoulda been named Honky Crick. Rich Honky that is.
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