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bvb

Social climber
flagstaff arizona
May 19, 2017 - 09:15pm PT
This may be too obvious to mention, but a LOT of the tribe have been settling in for good at Joshua Tree. I'm sort of thinking of it myself. I've been doing Flagstaff in the winter and San Diego in the summer for years; switching that up to JTree winter -- Dago summer would be inexpensive and convenient. My place in Flagstaff is $1200 a month, and for the last four years I've only been there five months a year, tops. It sits empty the rest of the year.
sean_barb

Trad climber
Suburb of Moore's Wall
May 20, 2017 - 11:31am PT
Winston-Salem, NC.

I very regularly drop off my kids at school in the morning and get in 4-5 routes before I have to pick them up from school in the afternoon. Located in a sweet spot with tons of local rock, but also very close to NRG and western NC areas. Large corporate/manufacturing employment base, med school, some tech and start ups. Not too big, not too small, traffic is a non-issue. I have been here for 23 years and I'm still finding undeveloped boulders and doing FAs on the local quartzite. Moores Wall is legit.

Never mind, this place sucks, please look away :)
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
May 21, 2017 - 06:25pm PT
Trona ? . . . . . Newburgh?. ,.. . . This place topz both
Libby, Montana.
there is something special in the air there. . . .

Libby, Montana, is a uniquely located town in northwestern Montana where the Cabinet Mountains meet the Kootenai River. Surrounded by the public lands of the Kootenai National Forest, Libby offers pristine lakes, rivers and mountain trails unencumbered by the crowds of people you would encounter anywhere else in the lower 48 states.

Downhill skiing options are some of the most varied in all the Northern Rockies with four to choose from in less than a 2-hour drive. Nordic skiers can explore the solitude of the back country or enjoy groomed trails with evening skiing.

Rivers and streams are filled with native fish that reproduce freely and don’t need to be restocked. Local guides float the Kootenai with fly fishermen from all over the world.

Hiking trails include 1400 miles of moderate to strenuous hikes that follow huckleberry laden hills to breathtaking views of the Cabinet peaks.

Wildlife sightings could include deer, elk, moose, bear, wolves, mountain lions or marmots. One can usually hear the solitary voice of a wood thrush or the tapping of a Pileated woodpecker.

In the summer the lakes are warm and invite swimming, boating and fishing. Campgrounds can be found in both developed or primitive areas. Fees are low or non-existent.

There is abundant access for snowmobiling and hundreds of miles of off-highway vehicular use trails, including single tracks for motorcycles.

Visit Libby and you will have the chance to see the mountains “the way they used to be” and still are, here in northwest Montana.
Perfect
And it has need to re-populate, it will soon be offering incentives for permanent transplants.

The local residents have just received some of their compensation
Libby, Montana, is the site of one of America's worst man-made environmental disasters.
Toxic asbestos dust from the vermiculite mines that helped the town prosper for decades has killed hundreds of residents, sickening thousands more. Victims continue to surface.

Sample of mined vermiculite
The story can be traced back to 1919 when companies first started pulling vermiculite out of mines in Libby. Known commercially as Zonolite, vermiculite was used in a variety of construction materials including insulation for homes and buildings. Decades of mining the vermiculite exposed workers and residents to toxic asbestos dust.

When W.R. Grace & Company took over operation of the mines in 1963, they knew the vermiculite was contaminated with asbestos and that it caused health complications. But they didn't warn anyone, so mining continued. An estimated 400 Libby residents have died and almost three thousand more are currently suffering illnesses related to asbestos exposure. The mine closed in 1990, but the devastation caused by the mining industry in Libby didn't gain national attention or receive government intervention until 1999 when the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) stepped in and began to clean up the town.


The History Behind the Libby Tragedy

Vermiculite mining in Libby began more than 80 years ago when E.N. Alley bought the Rainy Creek claims and launched Zonolite Company. In 1963, the Maryland-based W.R. Grace and Company acquired Alley’s Zonolite business.

By this time vermiculite had been mined for more than 40 years in an area about seven miles outside of Libby. Before Grace took over ownership of the mine, a number of employees developed lung problems and several fatalities were reported. Despite these health issues, the company claimed they were “unaware of the hazards of mining and milling vermiculite” when they purchased the business.

But W.R. Grace executives did know about the mine’s high level of tremolite asbestos dust and that exposure to the dust was damaging to the lungs, yet they never said anything to their employees.

Townspeople were also affected by the asbestos-tainted vermiculite, as Grace had distributed their leftover vermiculite for use in playgrounds, backyards, gardens, roads and a number of other popular locations in the town. While the asbestos was circulating in the air around the mine, it also was included in baseball fields and other areas where children and citizens commonly spent their time.

The Nation’s Response to a Story Finally Exposed

When the Seattle Post-Intelligencer wrote a series of articles about Libby in 1999, titled “Uncivil Action: A Town Left to Die,” the story of the people of Libby finally gained national attention. The EPA set up an information center in Libby to address the problem. What followed is the largest, longest-running asbestos cleanup project in American history.

Clean up began slowly at first as EPA workers identified the sources of contamination and began an extensive Superfund investigation. It was a project unlike any that the EPA had ever seen. Vermiculite needed to be removed from Libby homes and businesses and the mine site needed to be addressed. Contamination of natural resources demanded a large scale investigation as well. Libby was finally placed on the Superfund list in 2002. In 2008 Grace was ordered to provide $250 million to cover future clean-up costs. The EPA declared a Public Health Emergency in Libby, a first for the agency.

The EPA has made progress, but cleanup efforts continue. As of 2016, the EPA has investigated more than 7,300 properties and completed cleanups at 2,275 other sites, including all schools and parks, the former vermiculite processing plants and other contaminated public areas. The EPA estimates that a few hundred locations are still in need of mitigation and expects to finish those projects in the next two to three years.

Libby Asbestos Lawsuits & Settlements

Thousands of Libby residents and former Grace & Co. mine workers have filed lawsuits against the state for a failure to warn them of the dangerous levels of asbestos contaminating the vermiculite mine. In 2011, a district court judge approved a $43 million settlement with more than 1,300 plaintiffs. An estimated 200 of those plaintiffs began receiving their portion of the settlement in 2012, more than a decade after the first lawsuit was filed.

The second major payout came in January 2017, when more than 1,000 people were awarded a $25 million settlement. Montana agencies continue to claim that the state had no legal obligation to provide warning of the mine’s dangers.

https://www.asbestos.com/jobsites/libby/



http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2000/05/libbys-deadly-grace




This was also covered by that bastion of faux news "The (paint) Huffing-ton post
this past March

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/libby-montana-affordable-care-act-provisions_us_58b582b3e4b060480e0be14f


ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
May 21, 2017 - 06:37pm PT
toss-up between Driggs and Duluth
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
May 21, 2017 - 06:51pm PT
I spent a winter in Driggs- awesome but you have to really enjoy winter. Duluth looks super cool to me, is there climbing nearby?
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
May 21, 2017 - 06:55pm PT
plenty of climbing nearby -- some of it outstanding

the only problem is that the routes are just two or three pitches max
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
May 21, 2017 - 07:53pm PT
I know people also surf near Duluth during winter. Hardcore!
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
May 21, 2017 - 08:13pm PT
problem is that the routes are just two or three pitches max

Maybe three Minniehaha pitches.

Spending a couple days in Walnut Creek, CA.
Place shoulda been named Honky Crick. Rich Honky that is.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
May 22, 2017 - 07:42pm PT
The problem with sleeper towns is that, if you respond to a thread like this with your favorite sleeper town, then you risk convincing others that your sleeper town is a great choice, thus leading them to rush in, and by the time you are ready to buy, the prices will have gone way up.

And, of course, once the word gets out, all the things that made it such a great place will soon disappear as hordes of Californians rush in and turn it into something you'd like to leave -- if only you could find the next great sleeper town.

But I think we're safe on both counts. We've now bought our piece of paradise, so if y'all rush in and drive up prices, we'll be okay. And, given the location, I think we won't see too many Californians. (Not that there's anything wrong with Californians, of course. Why, I have some really good friends there. And they'll stay good friends as long as they stay in California.)

So, I think it's time to let the cat out of the bag. I put up a photo upthread, which Reilly thought was of Bella Coola, where he'd once looked into locating. "Bella Coola?" you say? WTF is Bella Coola?

It's a small (very small, as in maybe 2,500 people) town at the head of a remote inlet on the Central BC coast. Spectacular scenery, and probably no Californians unless Reilly actually does move there. But not a place I'd willingly live.

No, the photo was not of Bella Coola, but of Powell River. Also on the BC Coast, but a long way further south, and close to ten times as big. Just 70 miles from Vancouver, but protected from the hordes by the fact that you have to take two ferries to get there. So both remote, and not remote. Or, perhaps, remote in a good way.

Here's the photo again (an aerial shot taken at least ten years ago):

That's looking east at the north end of town, with BC's coast mountains in the background. If you stand on the beach and look west, this is what you see:

And here's where we'll be moving in a year or so:

"Wait a minute" I hear you saying. "This is a climbing forum. Who cares about world-class kayaking, fishing, whales, mountain biking, and skiing."

So, for you, here are a few shots of the local climbing. They're all taken from the web, but you can learn more, if you want to, by searching Supertopo for posts by or about Colin Dionne. He was the driving force behind the climbing explosion in the Powell River/Eldred River area until his untimely death in a helicopter accident a few years ago. He posted here as Kinnikinik.

We never knew him, but it was his writing and photos that first lured us to this wonderful place.




And, since the whole reason for climbing in the first place is to come back to town and drink beer, here's the taproom at the local brewery.


Yes, it'll be a year until we make the move, but the deal has been sealed, and we look forward to welcoming visitors once we're there. Even visitors from California.
jbaker

Trad climber
Redwood City, CA
May 22, 2017 - 08:00pm PT
I've been through Powell River a few times on the way somewhere else. I had no idea it had such great climbing nearby. I'll let my fellow Californians know.
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
May 22, 2017 - 08:14pm PT
I've been through Powell River a few times on the way somewhere else.

Now that's downright weird. As far as I can tell, Powell River isn't on the way to anywhere. Yeah, you can actually drive another 20 km north to where the road ends, but that's pretty much it.

Where were you going that had you passing through PR? Maybe sea kayaking?
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
May 22, 2017 - 08:15pm PT
jbaker....is your middle name marc...Drove by Monrovia , not the other one , yesterday ...Reilly needs to leave that place , not the other one, and move to BC...
Mighty Hiker

climber
Outside the Asylum
May 22, 2017 - 08:22pm PT
For those interested in Powell River and the Eldred area, there will be an Adopt-a-Crag there this coming weekend, May 26th - 28th. Based at the Colin Dionne campsite in the Eldred, co-sponsored by the Powell River climbing community and the Access Society. And the weather forecast is outstanding! See the Eldred Valley Adopt a Crag FB page.

David forgot to mention that although Powell River is on the east shore of the Salish Sea, and somewhat in the rain shadow of the Vancouver Island mountains, it still rains a lot there. And can be quite windy. And is reportedly full of refugees from the high prices in Squamish.

But there's also climbing at Stillwater Bluffs, and if you like ferries, at Crest Creek west of Campbell River, and on Quadra Island.
jbaker

Trad climber
Redwood City, CA
May 22, 2017 - 09:31pm PT
Hi Ghost:

I was hitching a ride to Cortes Island on a boat that stopped at Powell River on the way. I can't recall why the skipper needed to stop there. I had about an hour to wander around each direction.

Joe (not Marc as middle name) Baker
Oplopanax

Mountain climber
The Deep Woods
May 23, 2017 - 11:06am PT
All the cool kids climb in Powell Riviera
mooch

Trad climber
Tribal Base Camp (Kernville Annex)
May 23, 2017 - 11:47am PT
The problem with sleeper towns is that, if you respond to a thread like this with your favorite sleeper town, then you risk convincing others that your sleeper town is a great choice, thus leading them to rush in, and by the time you are ready to buy, the prices will have gone way up.

Easy Ghost......take a deep breath. ;) Most sleeper towns are (as Guyzo likes to refer to them as) "one-trick pony" towns. Most of them don't have deep infrastructure and are limited in job opportunities (Silicone Valley Rats need not apply). I don't see an eminent threat to soiling the panties to "the ultimate sleeper town" just because it was thrown onto a thread like this. In fact, I welcome folks to come to my sleepy little town of Kernville, just to show up those snotty L.A. sport bunnies that this ain't no Bishop, where a hipster coffee scene and "neat-o" gear coop with "hyper" Wi-Fi can reach the likes of ST. This here is Kern County.....bring your Wranglers and lifted rigs.

That was fun. :))
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
May 23, 2017 - 11:53am PT
Hell yeah Mooch!

I love Whiskey Flats; which is the real name of K-ville. I worked 2 seasons around Lake I and don't remember it being too attractive to the L.Aliens as much as it was to us Flatlanders from Bako. Maybe times have changed?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 23, 2017 - 08:31pm PT
Newburgh, N.Y

According to zillow.com half the town is in foreclosure.
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
May 23, 2017 - 09:06pm PT
The problem with sleeper towns is that, if you respond to a thread like this with your favorite sleeper town, then you risk convincing others that your sleeper town is a great choice, thus leading them to rush in, and by the time you are ready to buy, the prices will have gone way up.

I'd best not mention Ocean Falls, BC then. ;-)

edit - this abandoned town has 2 outstanding features, lots of hydro power and LOTS of rain!

No need to spend money on sunscreen.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
May 23, 2017 - 09:57pm PT
I thought sleeper towns had to have a microbrewery, real (boiled) bagels, and the New York Times...
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