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tom woods
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Feb 12, 2016 - 05:51pm PT
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As the annual crowds show up, I am seeing a repeat of a trend that I started to spot last year- bags of dog poo everywhere.
I believe the problem is the bags, not the poo. Let your dog poo. It's nasty at the boulders, at least people don't have to pick up your stanky poo bags that people leave everywhere.
Let your dog poo in freedom! No more waiting behind quivering haunches for your treat! No more bags left all over our public lands!
It's a win-win.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 12, 2016 - 05:57pm PT
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Calling donini.
Yer gonna die now.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Feb 12, 2016 - 06:07pm PT
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WHAT the hell is it with people bagging poo and leaving it? WHAT the freaking hell? Do they think there's some special service that comes by to pick them up? Take the crap home or bury it without the bag. Jeeez.
BAd
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BrassNuts
Trad climber
Save your a_s, reach for the brass...
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Feb 12, 2016 - 06:29pm PT
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Come to Boulder - land of the poop bag trail markers :-( Remember people, there is NO dog poop fairy !!! Please be considerate.
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Rock!...oopsie.
Trad climber
the pitch above you
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Feb 12, 2016 - 06:41pm PT
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there is NO dog poop fairy
I nominate the dingbats from the Oregon wildlife refuge standoff for a lifetime of service in this role in trade for no jail time.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 12, 2016 - 06:45pm PT
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WHAT the hell is it with people bagging poo and leaving it?
Hell, on the Whitney trail they leave their people poo bags.
That should be a felony.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 12, 2016 - 06:46pm PT
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'there is NO dog poop fairy'
Bernie'll fix that. Just don't ask him how much it's going to cost.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Feb 12, 2016 - 09:31pm PT
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I've seen it plastic bagged in the snow on the side of the trail 3 years ago on the way to the Wheeler Hut in Roger's Pass. I'm not so surprised to see this on the edge of the city, but the backcountry in Canada ... some people are worse than their dogs.
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tolman_paul
Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
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Feb 12, 2016 - 09:56pm PT
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For real ? People put dog poo or their own poo in a bag and leave it behind for someone else to ..........to..............to ........I don't know..... clean up ?
HAHAAHAHAHAH!!!! FOR REAL !?!?!!?
Yes, people really are that stoopid. I can't even fathom what they are thinking.
Let's see, maybe they think they are dog-dooing a good thing by bagging the poo, all good and fine. But somehow it doesn't register that they need to remove bag and poo. Now they have left a non biodegradable plastic bag and put the poo in it, so the poo won't break down as it naturally would if left alone. And they have to drop the baggy right on the side of the trail or trail head to show everyone how thoughtful they are.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 12, 2016 - 11:15pm PT
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"FOR REAL !?!?!!? "
Pictures to follow. So very, very real.
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cuvvy
Sport climber
arkansas
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Feb 12, 2016 - 11:47pm PT
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Poo bags, cigarette butts. They are all part of a larger problem....poor education.Poor parenting.
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Dr.Sprock
Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
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Feb 13, 2016 - 12:10am PT
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feed your dog a lot of bread and you will get "clean cuts"
works on people too.
hell i saved enuff money on paper to score an elbow out behind the circle k last night,
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Where Safety trumps Leaving No Trace
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Feb 13, 2016 - 05:26am PT
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dr Spock,
do you get clean cuts on blender food?
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Feb 13, 2016 - 06:13am PT
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Simple just don't go to crags where other people go or their pets. Ton of rock out there develop your own areas. Problem Solved. Peep's and pets and Poop never gonna change.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Feb 13, 2016 - 07:15am PT
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City people are so dumb.
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The Alpine
climber
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Feb 13, 2016 - 07:25am PT
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I once had a chick yell at me because I placed her freshly used wag bag(that she left discarded on the trail) with her belongings.
Her line was "I was going to pick it up on the way back."
Ya f*#king right. Keep that sh#t with you.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 13, 2016 - 07:25am PT
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Brightly colored bags of dog poo; the new trail cairn. I mean, you can't miss it, right?
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LAhiker
Social climber
Los Angeles
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Feb 13, 2016 - 07:27am PT
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People do that a lot in LA too, for instance in Griffith Park where I lead hikes with the Sierra Club. When we do clean-ups of the park, there's the issue of picking up disintegrating plastic bags full of poop. Yuck. (We bring tongs to pick up gross things.)
I mean, it's great when people pick up their dog's poop and throw it out, but why leave the bags by the side of the trail??
My guess is that people tell themselves that on the way back to their car they will retrieve the bag and throw it out, and then they don't bother. Otherwise it just doesn't make sense. It especially doesn't make sense in Griffith Park because there are big piles of horse sh#t all over the place.
I agree -- if you're not gonna take the bag and throw it out, just let the dog do its thing, preferably at the side of the trail.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 16, 2016 - 07:39pm PT
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Um, don't look, Susan....
This is not a case of someone forgetting to pick it up.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Small Town with a Big Back Yard
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Feb 16, 2016 - 07:48pm PT
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WHAT the hell is it with people bagging poo and leaving it? WHAT the freaking hell? Do they think there's some special service that comes by to pick them up? Take the crap home or bury it without the bag. Jeeez.
LOL, BAd - I wish I had taken a picture of the moment...
Recently, the property management company I used to work for has taken on a "dog-poo DNA" consulting firm to mitigate their problems...
That is to say, they take DNA samples of every resident's animal poop.
If you FAIL to curb, Bam!
Maintenance guys (like I used to be - HAHAHA! {sorry for that last bit})
probe the poo, then fine on you.
I had to get out before that - you will understand Reseda could not do THIS to me.
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Feb 16, 2016 - 09:04pm PT
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Feb 16, 2016 - 09:07pm PT
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^ Another good reason to wax for the backcountry!
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Feb 16, 2016 - 11:56pm PT
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Funny story. Normally Nacho poops on bushes he has to so he never goes on the trail (except in winter if it's super deep he will sometimes on the skin track, that's what the shovel is for). The other day we hiked to cave rock and on the way back there was an old lady behind us. He pooped on a bush but it rolled out onto the trail i knew I was busted if I didn't pick it up or slide it off the trail but i had a bag in my pocket. I confidently pulled it out and went to pick it up (Haha old lady!). As I went to scoop it up I realized the bag was full of holes but I was so committed to the act at that point I had to suck it up and go for it.
Yeah, the bag made it back to the car.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Feb 17, 2016 - 06:02am PT
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Answering T V from Patagonia. Eliminate the source and the poo problem goes away.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Feb 17, 2016 - 07:01am PT
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I see an opportunity to invent a hip Doggie Poop Tube that looks fashionable next to your Patagucci baby stroller.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 17, 2016 - 07:13am PT
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As someone witnessed above - they think they will remember to pick it up on the way out. But of course they forget; they don't mean to, they just do, and are almost always too lazy or running late or some other reason which makes "sense" for them to leave it "just this time." Or they ended up not returning by the same path. They may even chide themselves in the moment - but of course its not enough to turn them back and pick up the poop.
I have told people who are poop-bagging and abandoning(temporarily, of course!) that they're "in the woods! It's OKAY to let the doggy do their duty. Just take a stick and huck it away from the trail." One guy actually admitted he wasn't sure he could make the stick do as he wanted.... Oh boy. I grabbed a small branch and flicked a stone with the grace of Tiger Woods on the golf course. "It just takes a little practice." I said with a smile.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Feb 17, 2016 - 01:44pm PT
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We have this problem big time on our local fire roads in the Santa Monicas. I don't get it, especially since at least on the one local "dog friendly" designated fire road there are a couple of trash cans provided to put the bags in. It infuriates me. BS you're coming back for the bag...yeah, right.
And sadly, every visit to the ORG leaves me pissed off too - there's dog poo all over the place especially at the top of the middle Gorge trail. what's up with that, it never used to be that bad?
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 17, 2016 - 05:08pm PT
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I just had an idea on what to say when someone says they will come back for it. Say something like: "How important is it to you that a person DOES return to pack it out? Of course they are going to say "very." Then , as if daring them to back up their words - "Well, most of the time people forget, but if you really intend to come back, put a $10 under the bag as an incentive to "remember," and then if you don't remember, at least the person who ends up picking up after you is rewarded for it."
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Capt.
climber
some eastside hovel
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Feb 17, 2016 - 05:51pm PT
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Drove by Happys today and at least six bags of all different colors were sitting right at the trailhead by the kiosk, full of course, just waiting for the fairy to come by and scoop them up.
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Alexander Kirkpatrick
Trad climber
Carson City
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Feb 17, 2016 - 05:55pm PT
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I just pour bacon grease on the poop near the trail and it is gone the next day.
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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Feb 17, 2016 - 06:01pm PT
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Both the poo and the plastic will degrade in a few years time.
If it really bothers you then use the tip of your hiking stick to snag the loop on the poopy bag and fling it 40' off the trail. Be careful with older bags- if you fling too hard the bag may break on you. Or just hike somewhere else where there are less people/dogs around.
I don't have a dog, but i have to occasionally pick up dog shiit on my front lawn because some DB didn't clean up after their pet. Somethings you just have to let go, or it will drive you mad.
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Risk
Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
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Feb 17, 2016 - 06:12pm PT
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Great topic. Yesterday, our elder collie decided it was time. He carefully cantilevered himself so that his poop went into a hole that would cause any person to at least sprain their ankle if they stepped (tripped) into it. Rather than extricate the feces (if any), we put the bag away and moved along. There are exceptions, right? This is just one example of his unusual "poop etiquette." He practices "in the open" events that obviously need "the bag." But he is often very creative in choosing discrete spots that avoid or defy a logical clean-up. Go ahead, start throwing.
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Feb 18, 2016 - 12:35am PT
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Does the idea that it's a desirable skill to flick dog sh#t off the trail and into the woods with a stick bother anybody else, or just me?
I walk off trails all the time...
So Happy, would you be cool with people pooping on the trail, and then "golfing" it a few feet into the rough?
And if you wouldn't be cool with that, why is it cool to fling your dogs turds in a similar fashion? Why don't you walk on the trails? You're just causing unnecessary erosion. If your talking about just going cross country than this really isn't an issue.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
Valles Marineris
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Feb 18, 2016 - 06:39am PT
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I think this is way more of a west coast problem than on the east coast. I remember hiking around Woodson last year and seeing a lot of blue poo bags on the side of the trail or flung into bush. We don't get much of that, even in Central Park NYC. Never see this in the Gunks, really.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Feb 18, 2016 - 07:01am PT
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I don't get it either- it's become an epidemic in the Santa Monicas. I don't own a dog but I seem to be cleaning up after them all the time. If you own one you should take responsibility for your animal.
Warbler: I guess expecting dog owners to have principles is asking a lot.
cragnshag said:If it really bothers you then use the tip of your hiking stick to snag the loop on the poopy bag and fling it 40' off the trail. Be careful with older bags- if you fling too hard the bag may break on you. Or just hike somewhere else where there are less people/dogs around.
WHAT?? sorry that's totally NOT OK EVER. Plastic needs to go in the trash. Period. It may break down eventually but it's not biodegradable. If you're a flinger fling the poop sans bag. Those bags don't magically disappear- people who are annoyed pick them up.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 18, 2016 - 07:26am PT
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Sew their as#@&%es shut!!
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 18, 2016 - 07:38am PT
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there are bags now with a high percentage of corn starch as their primary ingredient. I don't
know the details but the injection molding guy in the unit next to mine told me they break
down in six months or less. He also said one of the big companies was trying to monopolize
the market and that he hadn't been able to buy the material for six months.
BTW, if you've never seen a machine that makes plastic bags you haven't lived.
Space craft? pffft - cave compared to a bag maker.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 18, 2016 - 07:51am PT
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^I have to wonder if you weren't providing whomever was flinging the poo with the same generalization you posted here.
If it happened once - yeah, a random as#@&%e. But that they did it with regularity, seems an indication you somehow got their dander up.
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Feb 18, 2016 - 08:29am PT
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I find the idea of encouraging any type of littering- regardless of how it degrades over time offensive. It's a really bad habit to justify with "well- they break down over time". Those blue bags lying about in the underbrush give other lazy people with less bio-degradeable trash a mental "OK" to toss thier TP and water bottles in the bushes too. If you pack it in you can pack it out- period.
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climber
away from the ground
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Feb 18, 2016 - 08:36am PT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 18, 2016 - 09:21am PT
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How thoughtful leaving it so I won't have to bend over!
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 18, 2016 - 09:34am PT
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Blue is the new black
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 18, 2016 - 09:36am PT
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If I'd caught 'em there might have been some black and blue,
to their ear drums at least.
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Feb 18, 2016 - 10:11am PT
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The time will eventually come when the dog worshipers will shoot their own foot off and dogs will be banned in the wilderness. There has to be a tipping point, I would think?
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RyanD
climber
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Feb 18, 2016 - 10:41am PT
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Dogs are people too!
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 18, 2016 - 01:01pm PT
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"Generally speaking, dog owners don't care if their dogs offend others. Their hairy love animal is so wonderful that anyone bothered by it is a dog hating sociopath."
Aww, gee...that's not always true.
I love my pup more than most humans, and realize that some people aren't especially crazy about dogs. That's cool- I do what I can to keep him under control and away from others unless they expressly want to make contact.
I can respect not those who aren't into dogs- hell, I love most pups, but don't really appreciate owners who foist them onto me, either.
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TacomaDome
Trad climber
Tacoma, WA
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Feb 18, 2016 - 01:19pm PT
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This past weekend at Smith Rock I saw a McD's McCafe cup sitting beside the trail. The nice citizen I am went to pick up this litter, it tipped over...and was STUFFED with poo. It was freaking nasty. WTF is wrong with people?
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 18, 2016 - 01:40pm PT
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For real ? People put dog poo or their own poo in a bag and leave it behind for someone else to ..........to..............to ........I don't know..... clean up ?
Hard to believe but true.
I often walk my dog up in Monrovia Cyn Park. There is only one way in and out, about 1/8 mile of road. People pick up their dog's poop and leave it along side the road, ostensibly to pick up on their way out. But then on the way out they walk on by as if someone else left it there. I can only assume they want to be seen doing the right thing but don't want to carry it out.
This while there are trash cans located conveniently throughout the park.
This really ticks me off as it gives responsible dog owners a bad name.
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Stewart Johnson
Mountain climber
lake forest
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Feb 18, 2016 - 01:42pm PT
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Back when i was a dog owner it was easy! I would just dab the poop with a pine cone and place it in the bushes.
Its so dry here in Tahoe it would just dry up, and blow away.
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Feb 18, 2016 - 01:42pm PT
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The posts are cracking me up at this point....
I clean up after my dog if it's warranted.
I'm a hater of the people who do not and just this morning I placed a poo bag in a trashcan that someone had left about 150' from the trashcan......
How about this plan... if someone does not want to carry the filled poo bag for mile......use it as a glove to pick up the poo and move or throw it off trail and then turn the poo bag inside out, tie it off, and put it in your pocket.
I've taken to doing this option.
Now let the poo flinging commence upon me... ;-))
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overwatch
climber
Arizona
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Feb 18, 2016 - 01:54pm PT
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dogs are not natural to the environment if it weren't for humans they would not exist.
there are too many dogs to just throw their s h i t or to let them run around and just s h i t in the environment.
humans are natural to the environment but there are too many of them to just let them run around and s h i t wherever they want.
humans should pack out their own and their dogs' s h i t.
and yes I have packed out my own on occasion and I am vowing to do so every time from now on.
Cool pooch, Stewart Johnson
while not a dog owner anymore I am a dog walker of my brothers dog and I pick up every nugget
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labrat
Trad climber
Erik O. Auburn, CA
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Feb 18, 2016 - 02:01pm PT
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New plan.
A reusable poo bucket that the dog wears on their harness so they can carry it themselves...
Brilliant!!!
Now someone go out and market one so I can buy one....
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F
climber
away from the ground
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Feb 18, 2016 - 02:13pm PT
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This fat Fido carried all the turds of 4 humans and 2 dogs from a week long ski trip to the Smowbird Glacier 7 miles to the dumpster. He literally had 20 lbs of s hit in his backpack. Of course he carried the whisky and fuel on the way up.
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cragnshag
Social climber
san joser
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Feb 18, 2016 - 03:20pm PT
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I don't think anyone is condoning leaving poop bags or excusing the behavior of certain dog owners. It really comes down to acceptance that a certain portion of any human population will be slobs/DBs/low life's/etc. These are the same people who toss trash out their car window. Nothing can be done about these people. They cannot be re-educated or made to change their ways, generally speaking.
So we are left with mitigating the problem. This can be done by collecting the blue presents every time you go for a walk, flicking them off the trail, or burying them. Or propose to the folks who manage the trail to ban dogs from using the trail altogether.
And yes, the modern poop bags break down pretty quick. Mother nature will not be too upset. Likely the biggest impact to the environment is the presence of the dogs affecting other native animals.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 18, 2016 - 03:37pm PT
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A lot of dog-hatin' and generalizations of dog owners here.
whatever...
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