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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 5, 2016 - 03:55pm PT
Ken, you are wrong, he does not identify as a "socialist." He identifies as a "democratic socialist." He will have a chance to define this in any Dem/Rep debate.

he'll have a chance, but he will not succeed beyond his fervent supporters. Others will look at what he proposes.

As for his statement on taxes, there are so many:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-health_us_56b25e8fe4b04f9b57d83008

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jan/13/how-much-would-bernie-sanders-health-care-plan-cos/

To pay for it, Sanders would impose broad-based taxes: a 6.7 percent payroll tax on employers and a 2.2 percent tax on individual incomes under $200,000 or joint incomes under $250,000. (Progressively higher rates for higher-income earners are described in his 2013 bill.)
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Feb 5, 2016 - 04:06pm PT
This gets pretty personal for me,I lost a home ,a 401k and a

relationship because I have worked in a vulnerable

business,construction.

All from an economic meltdown.Millions did, not just me.

I have survived and am now thriving again,all because we turned things around.

Yes ,us Democrats.

I am more an anti Republican than I am a Democrat.

That said,I do not hate Hillary,nor Despise her.

I do not like the fact she is bought and paid for.She is.

A vote for her is a continuation of Obama ,which might settle OK with most.Not me.

Where O stopped short on HC,the wars and others ,Bernie looks to move forward and correct.

I and a lot of others over here are way behind that I tell you.

In addition a vote for Hillary is not going in those directions,AT ALL.

Talk of her experience actually kills me.She was a senator here in NY.

What did she do here? my friends always say.

Do you think anyone from her district here is willing to vote for her?

She was the Secretary of State,what did she do but oversee the worst conflict decisions we ever have made as a nation.

We are still there.

If she had been effective,we would not be.





As far as Bernie,I have asked this before"Have you been to Vermont?"

If you have you would know what I am saying.IMHO.Terence.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 5, 2016 - 04:12pm PT
As for his statement on taxes, there are so many:

OK, I looked at your links, but didn't see any quote from Sanders on "massive" tax increases for the middle class.

So when you said, 'in HIS words, "massive tax increases on the middle class"', you were actually not telling the truth.

My advice, Ken, keep to the facts. It works better when you're trying to make a point.


And for what it's worth, I do not consider a 2.2% increase massive in any sense of the word. Also, I'd gladly pay an extra 2.2% of my income to get rid of private health-insurance companies. Not that single-payer will happen within the next decade, but health-care for profit was the #1 reason for foreclosures in the US before the 2008 housing crash.

In other words, I think many Americans would agree.

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