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JLP
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The internet
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Jan 11, 2016 - 07:38am PT
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I couldn't get past that the seasons, the snow cycles, the timing of how long it takes for snow to consolidate in the sun vs the time going by in the scenes - it was all wrong. The scene where Hugh Glass is recovering, the snow all around looks like it was packed out by 200 movie staff - and it probably was.
The movie was shot in a few different parts of the world, too, so the landscapes, vegetation and forests and the seasons they were in vary quite a bit more than they could in the few 100 miles and few weeks this movie is supposed to cover.
I found it all kind of distracting, in addition to what everyone else notes about the realities of swimming around in the water in winter.
Good movie, worth seeing, but I couldn't ever get too absorbed by it.
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Rockies Obscure
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rockiesobscure.com....Canada
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Jan 15, 2016 - 01:07pm PT
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Have not seen it yet, but it was filmed mostly around the mountains west of Calgary.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Jan 15, 2016 - 01:23pm PT
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meh. coulda been betta
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overwatch
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Jan 15, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
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Jersey... big surprise.
Edit;
Johkboner is a major ITG
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 15, 2016 - 02:33pm PT
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I'm gonna thank all you for bringing me down.
I had my face set on strolling over to the cinema to view this film this afternoon.
A re-telling of Hugh Glass' story appealed to me, but now I am reminded that mountain men hibernated and avoided not just the frozen water but bathing as well, for the most part.
The task of setting out traps in the spring, when everything's still under gobs of snow, then harvesting the catch, required standing in near-freezing water; but the ones who got it done the fastest, with the least trouble, were the wise ones.
I think it would be wise for me to save my bucks and to wait for it to show up online.
After filming Titanic, I would have thought di Caprio would have had enough of cold water, actually. :0)
I'm thinking that perhaps the lack of snow out West due to the drought might have given the producers reason to travel to other locations to film.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 15, 2016 - 02:49pm PT
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I should mention that I viewed Jeremiah Johnson two weeks ago.
One of the best of the genre, I hadn't seen it in over 45 years.
And I'm interested in seeing this nail-biter again, as well.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
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jeff constine
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Ao Namao
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Jan 15, 2016 - 04:07pm PT
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Total Crap.
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StahlBro
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San Diego, CA
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Jan 15, 2016 - 04:37pm PT
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How does it compare to Man in the Wilderness?
I am going to see it, but I am interested in what this adds to the Hugh Glass saga.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Jan 17, 2016 - 08:24am PT
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Really liked the movie.
Excellent comments by Survival on all the cold water stuff.
It didn't seem right that the character totally disregarded the consequences of getting wet in winter when not really necessary.
Cold water spooks me more than anything else in Alaska.
And Survival...pay no mind to the troll, his posts speak for themselves :-)
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jan 17, 2016 - 09:45am PT
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I watched Jeremiah Johnson the other night based on comments in this thread. It's better, I have to agree. It definitely has that 70's era western cheese going on that you won't find in movies anymore - but it's still a better movie. Redford is a better actor than DiCaprio, the seasons and weather were much more accurate, the story more toned down and authentic.
For the man vs nature movie genre overall - Cast Away with Hanks is on another plane entirely above and beyond these movies.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 17, 2016 - 09:53am PT
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" A mean right cross, for people that stick their nose where it doesn't belong. "
You mean like jumping me for no reason at all, when I've never even heard of you before? That kind of sticking your nose in?
Now he's after Ghost? That's so Jersey, walking into a room and throwing your ample weight around with people you don't know. I bet you're the Jr. High wrestling champ and not much more....
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Reeotch
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4 Corners Area
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Jan 17, 2016 - 10:56am PT
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I really liked the camera work, in many ways that made the movie. The way the camera would move in a 360 around the subject, and the way the action switched from fight to fight in that battle scene. They really enhanced the suspense and sense of chaos. Fine piece of art.
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alannamal
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B.C.
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Jan 17, 2016 - 03:26pm PT
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Agreed that the bear attack scene and scenery (Kananaskis Country in SW Alberta) were top notch, but it the end it was just another Hollywood flick celebrating the somewhat American trait of using revenge to justify violence.
What if the story had been tweaked a little bit so it ended up being a celebration of human fortitude and resilience instead of thinly veiled American corporate war propaganda?
Boom.
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overwatch
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Jan 17, 2016 - 03:49pm PT
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4th out of 4...that is actually pretty funny.
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John Morton
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Jan 17, 2016 - 08:03pm PT
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I was hoping for the Hugh Glass story, but this wasn't it. He had no wife or kid, so most of the drama was bogus. They should have just changed the name. Agreed about how Hugh never seemed to mind about getting wet.
My favorite phony bit was after Fitzgerald had chopped Hawk's grave in the stony ground. When he started to backfill the corpse, the soil now looked like perfect bagged compost from Home Depot.
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pud
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Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jan 17, 2016 - 08:16pm PT
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My favorite phony bit was after Fitzgerald had chopped Hawk's grave in the stony ground. When he started to backfill the corpse, the soil now looked like perfect bagged compost from Home Depot.
That's because Canada offers unskilled labor in order to cut production costs and underbid U.S. production companies. Gotta feed those starving producers (18 on this film).
The FX crew on this production were total amateurs.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 17, 2016 - 08:50pm PT
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Robert L, the Air Force Global Survival School came before all other branches of military survival schools. The Air Force is the only branch that offers it as a full career.
Other branches have people from other career fields who volunteer, that are then given instructor courses. They typically teach survival for one tour of duty, and then go back to their previous career.
Our guys volunteer to abandon their guaranteed tech school, and go through a selection process at basic training. This includes background interviews, psych test, flight physical, written tests, impromptu speaking and physical fitness. They chose 43 of us out of 1,400 applicants. Out of that they expect to wash out around 50% at instructor school.
In my case I had been raised in the Alaska bush, had mountaineering, back-country skiing, some SAR work as a background. But my biggest background was already rock climbing at that point. I had done many big walls, including 5 El Cap routes, before I ever joined the service.
The instructor school took 6 months, in all major environments. This includes all aspects of survival, including escape and evasion and POW survival. Then another 6 months of teaching to aircrews under senior instructors is required for certification.
It is different for each branch of the military, but I worked with people from multiple branches, including special operations. So that's basically how it went for me. So, it was part of my job to be inspired by all kinds of survival stories, from combat, to mountaineering, sea survival, and frontier exploration. That's where I originally read about Hugh Glass.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Jan 17, 2016 - 09:08pm PT
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That's an excellent background summary and a pretty damn good resume Survival.
Hat tip to your service and accomplishments.
For the movie, I also liked the continuously running camera shots that went 360 around a scene. Great photography.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jan 17, 2016 - 09:20pm PT
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Haven't seen it but would like to, for the cinematography if nothing else.
Survival, rest easy. Okner is a total troll. Eleanor probably.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 17, 2016 - 09:30pm PT
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Thanks Fat Dad.
Robert, there is no 10,000 hours for any specific thing. Our whole initial year of training was only about 9,000 hours. That included sleeping, down time and everything else. 10,000 would be damn impressive at damn near anything. We all had good backgrounds, but the whole person was considered as a candidate. A lot more experience is gained over the course of a career, and we had access to those people as we went.
Edit: The point was to learn solid principles and techniques that work in a wide range of situations and environments.
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