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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 8, 2016 - 11:02pm PT
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THE REVENANT
Word Origin
noun
1.
a person who returns.
2.
a person who returns as a spirit after death; ghost.
Origin of revenant Expand
1820-18301820-30; < French: ghost, noun use of present participle of revenir to return, equivalent to re- re- + ven (ir) to come (< Latin venīre) + -ant -
Raw from beginning to end. Great movie.
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crusher
climber
Santa Monica, CA
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Agreed although not for the faint of heart.
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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How does it compare to the original ('Man In the Wilderness')?
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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for the preview I kept thinking of Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin in that movie of survival and a bear attack. Baldwin's character is trying to kill Hopkins character. forgot the name, and I'm too lazy to go search on Bing.
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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The Edge
"Don't tell me what to do."
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Nice photography. Bloody...reminiscent of private Ryan with blood splatters hitting camera lense. No plot worthy of an adult.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 9, 2016 - 08:32am PT
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No plot worthy of an adult.
Similar to accounts of Himalayan and Alaskan mountaineering?
A horse is a horse of course, unless it's a sleeping bag. I enjoyed the pre-gear review setting of the story. The construction of the stockade/fort was nice to appreciate as a builder.
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dee ee
Mountain climber
Of THIS World (Planet Earth)
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Great movie, loved it. Saw it today. So much better than the H8tful 8 and both in my fave genre....westerns. Gripping from beginning to end.
edit. I do have to agree with the criticism of getting wet all the time.....that ain't right. Water is to be avoided in winter, except for drinking.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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As a young Survival Instructor, Hugh Glass was a huge hero to me. The real story is incredible enough.
Just saw the movie. Tons of Hollywood and stuff that didn't happen in the real, but loved it anyway.
Well worth the big screen!!
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Enjoyed the movie.
Kind of annoyed by how everyone took every chance they could to get wet. It's freezing, you don't need to dip your whole sleeve in the river to get a drink or step directly in the 2 ft wide creek to cross it!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 10, 2016 - 01:39pm PT
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John, WTF does that even mean? You've got one dude as a reference? I taught Survival for 20+ years and have hundreds of real SERE instructors that will vouch for me. My skill set applies to any environment globally, in any climatic conditions. In fact I was required to certify in every environment.
But this is about a movie.
Did I give you a special reason to talk sh#t? Judging by your writing skills I wouldn't bet money on any of your other skills. Of course writing skills aren't required to survive in the mountains but skills are skills, and you did grow up in the modern world.
Edit: limpingcrab, exactly!! That's exactly what I told my family after the film. They know this of course, but it was fun to point out a couple things to each other. It was all about every moment for drama and their near imperviousness to discomfort. Even though the smart men would typically go to great pains to stay dry in winter.
Great film anyway.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Jan 10, 2016 - 04:44pm PT
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[/quote i can out survive you in any situation!
We could settle this really quickly with a polar bear swim.
Or how about a "Bear Grylls" eating contest. You know, yak eyeballs and rotten eggs washed down with your own urine.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Jan 10, 2016 - 06:22pm PT
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I'll catch it on Netflix when it comes out.
Wow, looks like Bruce has himself a real leg-humping troll...ignore it, Bruce.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jan 10, 2016 - 07:38pm PT
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This one I want to see in the theater.
Blue's right about the leghumper, though. Do you know this John guy, Survival?
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Jan 10, 2016 - 08:44pm PT
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Haven't seen it. But spent a lot of my life in the area where it took place. Crawling across South Dakota would not be an easy prospect in the 1800s or today. Obviously the movie took some liberties with location but I hear it portrayed the struggle very well.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 10, 2016 - 08:52pm PT
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Disappointing. Didn't live up to the hype although the bear attack scene and mountain photography were spectacular.
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chill
climber
between the flat part and the blue wobbly thing
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Jan 10, 2016 - 09:07pm PT
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I clicked to read about the Revenant but now I'm more interested in this survival dude pissing contest.
my dad taught me how to kill deer, catch fish, deep sea, fly, spear fish and navigate in the woods at age 5 Thats cool. My dad taught me that there better be ice in the freezer for his G&T when he gets home from work or there will be hell to pay.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Jan 10, 2016 - 09:47pm PT
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my dad taught me how to kill deer, catch fish, deep sea, fly, spear fish and navigate in the woods at age 5
And my dad taught me to keep my mouth shut until I knew what I was talking about, and who I was talking to. He also taught me about fishing and navigating in the woods, but as far as life skills go, thinking before you open your mouth is a lot more important than spearing fish.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Jan 10, 2016 - 09:54pm PT
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Need to see it want to see it.
Strong leg humping in this here thread, I reckon.
Now off to some In N' Out for a double double and a shake because making a murderer isn't going to watch itself.
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Jan 10, 2016 - 10:05pm PT
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GDavis, you can't SURVIVE on just a double-double.
Best to get it animal style. Fries too.
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jan 11, 2016 - 07:38am PT
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I couldn't get past that the seasons, the snow cycles, the timing of how long it takes for snow to consolidate in the sun vs the time going by in the scenes - it was all wrong. The scene where Hugh Glass is recovering, the snow all around looks like it was packed out by 200 movie staff - and it probably was.
The movie was shot in a few different parts of the world, too, so the landscapes, vegetation and forests and the seasons they were in vary quite a bit more than they could in the few 100 miles and few weeks this movie is supposed to cover.
I found it all kind of distracting, in addition to what everyone else notes about the realities of swimming around in the water in winter.
Good movie, worth seeing, but I couldn't ever get too absorbed by it.
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Rockies Obscure
Trad climber
rockiesobscure.com....Canada
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Jan 15, 2016 - 01:07pm PT
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Have not seen it yet, but it was filmed mostly around the mountains west of Calgary.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Jan 15, 2016 - 01:23pm PT
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meh. coulda been betta
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overwatch
climber
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Jan 15, 2016 - 02:16pm PT
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Jersey... big surprise.
Edit;
Johkboner is a major ITG
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 15, 2016 - 02:33pm PT
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I'm gonna thank all you for bringing me down.
I had my face set on strolling over to the cinema to view this film this afternoon.
A re-telling of Hugh Glass' story appealed to me, but now I am reminded that mountain men hibernated and avoided not just the frozen water but bathing as well, for the most part.
The task of setting out traps in the spring, when everything's still under gobs of snow, then harvesting the catch, required standing in near-freezing water; but the ones who got it done the fastest, with the least trouble, were the wise ones.
I think it would be wise for me to save my bucks and to wait for it to show up online.
After filming Titanic, I would have thought di Caprio would have had enough of cold water, actually. :0)
I'm thinking that perhaps the lack of snow out West due to the drought might have given the producers reason to travel to other locations to film.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 15, 2016 - 02:49pm PT
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I should mention that I viewed Jeremiah Johnson two weeks ago.
One of the best of the genre, I hadn't seen it in over 45 years.
And I'm interested in seeing this nail-biter again, as well.
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jeff constine
Trad climber
Ao Namao
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Jan 15, 2016 - 04:07pm PT
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Total Crap.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Jan 15, 2016 - 04:37pm PT
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How does it compare to Man in the Wilderness?
I am going to see it, but I am interested in what this adds to the Hugh Glass saga.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Jan 17, 2016 - 08:24am PT
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Really liked the movie.
Excellent comments by Survival on all the cold water stuff.
It didn't seem right that the character totally disregarded the consequences of getting wet in winter when not really necessary.
Cold water spooks me more than anything else in Alaska.
And Survival...pay no mind to the troll, his posts speak for themselves :-)
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JLP
Social climber
The internet
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Jan 17, 2016 - 09:45am PT
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I watched Jeremiah Johnson the other night based on comments in this thread. It's better, I have to agree. It definitely has that 70's era western cheese going on that you won't find in movies anymore - but it's still a better movie. Redford is a better actor than DiCaprio, the seasons and weather were much more accurate, the story more toned down and authentic.
For the man vs nature movie genre overall - Cast Away with Hanks is on another plane entirely above and beyond these movies.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 17, 2016 - 09:53am PT
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" A mean right cross, for people that stick their nose where it doesn't belong. "
You mean like jumping me for no reason at all, when I've never even heard of you before? That kind of sticking your nose in?
Now he's after Ghost? That's so Jersey, walking into a room and throwing your ample weight around with people you don't know. I bet you're the Jr. High wrestling champ and not much more....
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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Jan 17, 2016 - 10:56am PT
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I really liked the camera work, in many ways that made the movie. The way the camera would move in a 360 around the subject, and the way the action switched from fight to fight in that battle scene. They really enhanced the suspense and sense of chaos. Fine piece of art.
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alannamal
climber
B.C.
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Jan 17, 2016 - 03:26pm PT
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Agreed that the bear attack scene and scenery (Kananaskis Country in SW Alberta) were top notch, but it the end it was just another Hollywood flick celebrating the somewhat American trait of using revenge to justify violence.
What if the story had been tweaked a little bit so it ended up being a celebration of human fortitude and resilience instead of thinly veiled American corporate war propaganda?
Boom.
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overwatch
climber
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Jan 17, 2016 - 03:49pm PT
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4th out of 4...that is actually pretty funny.
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John Morton
climber
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Jan 17, 2016 - 08:03pm PT
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I was hoping for the Hugh Glass story, but this wasn't it. He had no wife or kid, so most of the drama was bogus. They should have just changed the name. Agreed about how Hugh never seemed to mind about getting wet.
My favorite phony bit was after Fitzgerald had chopped Hawk's grave in the stony ground. When he started to backfill the corpse, the soil now looked like perfect bagged compost from Home Depot.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jan 17, 2016 - 08:16pm PT
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My favorite phony bit was after Fitzgerald had chopped Hawk's grave in the stony ground. When he started to backfill the corpse, the soil now looked like perfect bagged compost from Home Depot.
That's because Canada offers unskilled labor in order to cut production costs and underbid U.S. production companies. Gotta feed those starving producers (18 on this film).
The FX crew on this production were total amateurs.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 17, 2016 - 08:50pm PT
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Robert L, the Air Force Global Survival School came before all other branches of military survival schools. The Air Force is the only branch that offers it as a full career.
Other branches have people from other career fields who volunteer, that are then given instructor courses. They typically teach survival for one tour of duty, and then go back to their previous career.
Our guys volunteer to abandon their guaranteed tech school, and go through a selection process at basic training. This includes background interviews, psych test, flight physical, written tests, impromptu speaking and physical fitness. They chose 43 of us out of 1,400 applicants. Out of that they expect to wash out around 50% at instructor school.
In my case I had been raised in the Alaska bush, had mountaineering, back-country skiing, some SAR work as a background. But my biggest background was already rock climbing at that point. I had done many big walls, including 5 El Cap routes, before I ever joined the service.
The instructor school took 6 months, in all major environments. This includes all aspects of survival, including escape and evasion and POW survival. Then another 6 months of teaching to aircrews under senior instructors is required for certification.
It is different for each branch of the military, but I worked with people from multiple branches, including special operations. So that's basically how it went for me. So, it was part of my job to be inspired by all kinds of survival stories, from combat, to mountaineering, sea survival, and frontier exploration. That's where I originally read about Hugh Glass.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Jan 17, 2016 - 09:08pm PT
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That's an excellent background summary and a pretty damn good resume Survival.
Hat tip to your service and accomplishments.
For the movie, I also liked the continuously running camera shots that went 360 around a scene. Great photography.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Jan 17, 2016 - 09:20pm PT
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Haven't seen it but would like to, for the cinematography if nothing else.
Survival, rest easy. Okner is a total troll. Eleanor probably.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 17, 2016 - 09:30pm PT
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Thanks Fat Dad.
Robert, there is no 10,000 hours for any specific thing. Our whole initial year of training was only about 9,000 hours. That included sleeping, down time and everything else. 10,000 would be damn impressive at damn near anything. We all had good backgrounds, but the whole person was considered as a candidate. A lot more experience is gained over the course of a career, and we had access to those people as we went.
Edit: The point was to learn solid principles and techniques that work in a wide range of situations and environments.
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oldtimer
climber
Concord,CA
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Jan 17, 2016 - 10:14pm PT
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What a disappointing movie. i expected more. several issues
1. as mentioned they stepped in every bit of water they could find
2. Ones survival would be doubted if they were in the water as long as Glass was.
3. how many moon shots did we need to see and for how long?
4. How many sun shots did we need?
5. When chased by the indians he shoots one immediately with his handgun then shoots another without reloading. How did he do that?
6. He drinks water but has a problem with the cut on his throat but why would that affect his drinking since the front tube is for air not food and water.
7. really he recovers that fast I was in the hospital for 10 day with a compound fracture. It is like the TV series 24 all over again.
8. Probably the coldest and wettest movie i have ever seen.
9. really? he falls over 100 feet into a tree with no injuries.
10 he sits out in the cold every night then all the sudden needs to bunk down inside the horse. My buddy who is a hunter says you couldn't gut one as fast as he did.
Overall a long, boring movie.
Garry
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Ashcroft
Trad climber
SLC, UT
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Jan 17, 2016 - 10:15pm PT
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Spectacular scenery, mediocre movie. Every character was one-dimensional, and there was nothing in the European-Native interaction that I hadn't seen before. The flashbacks to Glass' dead wife turned out to be more distracting and annoying than illuminating. Innaritu is capable of making good movies, but in this case he opted for "big" over "good."
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JoanaBanana
Boulder climber
Sydney
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Jan 18, 2016 - 01:34am PT
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An awesome movie. It definitely deserved the accolades that it got. Many say that because there was little dialogue that Di Caprio didn't deserve Golden Globe, but i can't disagree more. I thought his actiing in this was superb.
The cinematography was also exceptional, having to film in such extreme conditions too.
I don;t know why there are so many on here that didn;t like the film, I thought it was awesome!
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Jan 18, 2016 - 04:56am PT
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John O, where are you these days? Still doing photography, yes?
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John Morton
climber
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Jan 18, 2016 - 08:39am PT
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The presenter who introduced The Revenant in my town said that the film was shot sequentially from start to finish. They were fussy about light, which sometimes limited shooting days to 2-3 hrs. Consequentially the locations in western Alberta became unsuitable at some point because of wrong seasonal conditions, and filming was moved to Tierra del Fuego! That got my attention, so I was watching for the switch. Never spotted it, but I can't say I'd recognize the topography of Tierra del Fuego.
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flatlandermcjack
Ice climber
South Dakota
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Jan 19, 2016 - 09:49pm PT
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great movie but not too accurate as the entirety of Glass' journey looked about like this
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BruceHildenbrand
Social climber
Mountain View/Boulder
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Jan 22, 2016 - 02:20am PT
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I would strongly agree with everyone about how wet these guys got all the time. That's not how you survive in the mountains in winter. If you are so worried about the correct light for shooting, you might as well get the other stuff right as well.
Personally, I liked the 'original' "Man in the Wilderness" better. Not as much Hollywood drama; just the facts mam. And John Huston was great as the boat captain!
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cowpoke
climber
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Jan 22, 2016 - 04:05am PT
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Flatlandermcjack, nails the scenery issue. BC is beautiful and I love the moss everywhere, but not the correct setting for this historical fiction.
I found all the usual revenge setups in the film adaptation cliche, e.g, invent a son who is murdered so the audience will really hate this guy and don't show the audience that there was in fact immediate danger if they remained sitting by the river with Glass. I think the story is more interesting if there is some ambiguouity surrounding Glass going so far to chase down those who abandoned him.
I think DiCaprio saves the film.
Book = B+
Movie = C
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Jan 22, 2016 - 07:06am PT
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Substandard special effects.
There are ways to make propane fires not look like propane.
Atmospheric smoke and other were very sourcey.
Very obviously a fan and smoker were standing directly behind camera in most shots.
Wind was inconsistent and contradictory to background.
Salt used as snow looked like salt used as snow.
Plastic snow used on close up/tight shots is a complete fail.
Overall, the crappy effects were too distracting to enjoy the film.
NoOb FX crews up North have a lot to learn.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jun 24, 2016 - 08:23pm PT
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I just wasted what felt like 17 hours of my life watching this dreck. I have absolutely no idea what was going on with the plot beyond Mr. Glass stumbling around a vast wilderness and running into Indians or French people behind every tree. And then at the end he decides to let fate determine what will happen to the bad guy by letting him float 15 feet down a creek to blood thirsty Indians??? Um, I was pretty certain of his fate. And the Hans Solo sleep in guts thing was so dumb (or was it Luke Skywalker that did that?).
Even after doing the usual movie suspension of belief this movie was so stupid. I did enjoy the bear atack.
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enjoimx
Trad climber
Yosemite
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Jun 25, 2016 - 01:21am PT
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"No idea what was going on with the plot" ?
Did you watch the movie. It's pretty simple brah. Indians attack trappers, Leo mauled by bear, scoundrel leaves him to die to get more $$$$, scoundrel kills Leo's son, Leo miraculously survives cause he bosses the sh#t out of the wilderness, Leo seeks vengeance on scoundrel, Leo has spiritual revelation and let's karma deal with scoundrel.
Why all the haters? I didn't notice any bogus special effects. Plastic snow? What the hell you talking about. You must not be able to enjoy any movies.
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ontheedgeandscaredtodeath
Social climber
SLO, Ca
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Jun 25, 2016 - 06:34am PT
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His spiritual revelation was like throwing someone off a cliff and then leaving it to karma to see if he dies. Stupid ending. And why was everyone in the the water more than the cast of Waterworld?
I'm not a picky movie watcher but this was some brain dead shite.
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Jun 26, 2016 - 01:11pm PT
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I was reluctant to watch the Revenant after reading some of the reviews here. I picked up a copy at Redbox just as a backup in case we could not find anything online worth watching, that was new that we hadn't seen. Well, we ended up watching it, all 2 and one half hours. As soon as it began I could see it was going to be something special and different. It's a beautiful movie and I only had to suspend my knowledge of things just a little. Maybe all the negative sh#t in this blog made it better, I don't know, so thanks for that. I don't know ANYTHING about Hugh Glass, but I went away saying this is the new Jeremiah Johnson.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
Boise, ID or the fricken Bakken, variously
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Jun 26, 2016 - 01:25pm PT
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Haven't seen it on principle. I know about the real Hugh Glass.
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