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GDavis
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SOL CAL
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Nov 22, 2015 - 09:27am PT
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Saw a headline yesterday, "ISIS SUICIDE BOMBERS HIGH ON DRUGS"
Because that's what is scary, not the bombs but the idea they might be using the same sh#t we are...
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Nov 22, 2015 - 10:09am PT
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I haven't had the opportunity to watch CNN lately, because I haven't been to an airport for a while.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Nov 22, 2015 - 10:42am PT
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CNN Cranks the organ..The Zionist -clown bag - monkeys dance the Chevron jig... Thousands drown in zombie drool...Stupid aszholes !
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 22, 2015 - 10:43am PT
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Craven News Network. Remember when they had some credibility?
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Dave
Mountain climber
the ANTI-fresno
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Nov 22, 2015 - 03:14pm PT
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For what, speaking the truth?
LOL.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 22, 2015 - 05:56pm PT
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CNN's problem now is that they don't pay enough to attract real talent, not
that they would give them the freedom to be real journalists if they did
hire them now. They have people on there now that seem barely literate to me.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 22, 2015 - 06:07pm PT
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The Fox/shock radio brainwashed crowd loves to bash CNN. One of the reasons I tune in.
"I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down," the Republican presidential candidate said at a Nov. 21 rally in Birmingham, Ala. "And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering."
The truth :
Trump said he "watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering" as the World Trade Center collapsed.
This defies basic logic. If thousands and thousands of people were celebrating the 9/11 attacks on American soil, many people beyond Trump would remember it. And in the 21st century, there would be video or visual evidence.
Instead, all we found were a couple of news articles that described rumors of celebrations that were either debunked or unproven.
Trump’s recollection of events in New Jersey in the hours after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks flies in the face of all the evidence we could find. We rate this statement Pants on Fire.
Starting a thread to get sympathy for Trump - pathetic.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Nov 22, 2015 - 06:16pm PT
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Natural News and Breitbert.
What's next Couchmaster? Alex Jones?
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Norton
Social climber
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Nov 22, 2015 - 06:33pm PT
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There is no lie going on
Trump clearly called for muslims to register and have a national database of it
Hillyard: Should there be a database or system that tracks Muslims in this country?
Trump: There should be a lot of systems. Beyond databases. I mean, we should have a lot of systems. And today you can do it.
[Some talk about Trump's wall on the Mexican border ensues.]
Trump: We have to stop people from coming in to our country illegally.
Hillyard: But specifically, how do you actually get them registered into a database?
Trump: It would be just good management....
Hillyard: Do you go to mosques and sign these people up?
Trump: Different places. You sign ‘em up at different, but it’s all about management. Our country has no management. http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/11/yes-donald-trump-agreed-we-should-have-national-registry-muslims
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 22, 2015 - 07:57pm PT
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Couch,
Stupid, deluded, brainwashed, bored or all of the above? Hmm, maybe you're just a troll. That would explain alot.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 22, 2015 - 09:23pm PT
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More like on a troll. I have a hard time believing couch would vote for Trump.
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couchmaster
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 23, 2015 - 10:04am PT
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You guys are having some cognitive issues. Not a troll and it's not about Trump. It's about the news. Take a moment and substitute your favorite candidate in there. Lets imagine that they edited a video of Hillary to radically change the meaning of what she said so as to demean her in voters eyes. How would you feel on that? I'd still feel as if I do now. This would still be about the news, not about Hillary. As far as that goes, I still feel Operation Mockingbird was a terrible idea which hurt us much more than it helped. Trust, once it's breached, is difficult to get back. Reference links to get your started:
http://www.popularresistance.org/operation-mockingbird-cia-media-control-program/
http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php
As far as my view on Trump, I've said repeatedly he'd be a poor President. A better one than Hillary no question, but a terrible choice. Regardless, he won't be the candidate from his party and Hillary will. I said last August:
QUOTE : "Aug 26, 2015 - 11:29am PT
I can't imagine any scenario where Trump is the Republican candidate. Not. Gonna. Happen. He's up over 20 percent in the polls over the next most popular dude right now, but even the most clueless will be waking up at some point, and when they do, I imagine that the hangover and regrets will rival looking into your angry wife's eyes the morning after any hooker, heavy drinks and multiple drug overdose evening.
Trump. Not. Gonna. Happen."
So don't worry about Trump, worry about the lies you are being told by CNN, FOX and lord knows whom else. Hard enough to sort the wheat from the chaff already with the intelligence community being involved the news you read. (IE, the 28,000 full time Pentagon PR flacks who try and filter what you read so the news doesn't make our country look bad)
It's about hoping that we can get at least a sniff at the truth via the News Media.
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John M
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Nov 23, 2015 - 10:12am PT
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I agree Couchmaster. I think twisting the news, or making stuff up is reprehensible. No spin zone my ass. And yes.. I know thats bill Oliely's catch phrase, but they all act like it, and few actually are. Its disgusting what the news has become.
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Nov 23, 2015 - 10:53am PT
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Complaining about the news is like complaining about your date.
If you don't like what you see, look somewhere else.
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John M
climber
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Nov 23, 2015 - 11:02am PT
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except 98 percent of the dates are liars. So its hard to find that 2 percent.
If he had said Fox news is a lying bunch of dirty bastards, I bet some of you wouldn't be complaining.
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Fat Dad
Trad climber
Los Angeles, CA
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Nov 23, 2015 - 11:02am PT
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Moose,
Thanks for the insight. Always nice to be reminded that there's a real person behind the handle.
While I agree that news media should aspire to be, well, journalists in the truest sense of that word, how is it anything but hypocritical to argue that CCN is spinning when you receive your "news" from Fox or, god forbid, Breitbart. That guy was Dick Cheney's lap dog.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 23, 2015 - 12:00pm PT
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Agree, John M. I've always spent more time reading news stories from sources that tend to favor viewpoints opposed to mine, partly because I can see their biases more easily than I can those of sources that tend to agree with me. The distortions that modern journalism seems to tolerate drive me nuts, but then I look at headlines from 100+ years ago and realize that nothing has changed. In one sense, Werner is right. Anyone who relies on a single news source will end up hearing lies.
I must reluctantly and respectfully disagree with Werner on one matter, though. The Wall Street Journal and the New York Times still report news with greater care than most other sources. No source can eliminate its biases, because all people have them. They can, however, strive for objectivity, which both New York publications do.
If nothing else, the internet - that scourge of professional journalists - makes it easier to find the truth, because we can get our hands on so much verifiable information quickly and cheaply. Unfortunately, that requires effort that few care to spend. I wish we all had the time and desire to search for truth rather than accept sound bite descriptions from people aiming for deception.
John
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 23, 2015 - 01:45pm PT
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You are all is serious denial. One news source, Fox, spreads misinformation at a higher rate than any other TV news organization, by far. They fan the stupidity of a voting bloc that supports Trump. See any post by pyro for confirmation.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 23, 2015 - 02:25pm PT
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Pyromaniac, I'll give you this... You're one of the only ones on the forum honest enough to admit you're a Trumpkin. That doesn't make you any more intelligent, you just know what you are.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 23, 2015 - 02:48pm PT
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NPR, Guardian, BBC, Le Monde, Comedy Central... All reputable news/commentary outlets...
You just have to look around.
I read the Guardian daily, and listen to BBC and NPR, but none are in any sense objective. The thought that Fox has a monopoly on biased news would amuse me if I thought people offered the opinion in jest, but some seem serious.
John
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lostinshanghai
Social climber
someplace
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Nov 23, 2015 - 04:07pm PT
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"Makes me wonder why they are out to get Trump with this made up bullcrap and who is at the root of it."
Fox news is owned and controlled by Murdoch if I recall his son runs it now. Papa M has a personal fight going on with Trump since they both are billionaires.
Sorry John I read your opinions but Rupert baby owns WSJ as well.
Propaganda, disinformation, commercials which pays for all this [these]. Sure you can find news but need to read not listen.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 23, 2015 - 04:13pm PT
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John, nobody has a monopoly. But Fox owns the majority share by a wide margin. Their misinformation is reason #1 Trump and Carson are leading the polls among all Republicans. All, not just Iowa evangelicals.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 25, 2015 - 05:22am PT
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The news hasn't been degraded and jeopardized by the government, but rather by corporations and it's been further weakened by the internet. We're in a transitional period between the old 'news' where we had a few relatively well-trusted sources to a brave new world where it's about as easy to trace a news source as it is a cartel dollar. That, and in this new world, any bit of of information from any source which strikes even a slight resonance is instantly swirled up and circularly referenced across thousands of internet sites and blogs with no fact checks or accountability of any kind.
There are plenty of other impacts of the internet on 'traditional' media. Time is somewhat irrelevant on one hand with stuff sticking around forever and it's overwhelmingly relevant oon the other because any tidbit has about a millisecond window to stick and get its 15 seconds of glory. You can also assemble a smorgasbord of 'news' sources all tailored to your personal worldview and never see either a dissenting viewpoint or an honest-to-god fact. You can live in a fairyland your own making with similar spiraling minds and all spin off into a fantasyland where facts are seldom seen and immediately derided as simply one of an infinite set of possible alternatives.
That all combined with a fifty year campaign of increasingly more honed misinformation is exactly why the republicans lost their party to the fringe right and that none of their candidates would know a fact if it hit them between the eyes - they get in the way of their narrative and break the fictionalize chrysalis of hysteria so necessary to rally their supporters.
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 25, 2015 - 07:24am PT
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Pyro, that link proved nothing. It's a link to an article written immediately after the attacks that says a number of Muslims were questioned who purportedly cheered the attacks.
That's not an article proving that "thousands" of Muslims in new jersey were celebrating.
Your man Trump is a racist, xenophobpgic, fascist puke, using lies about Muslims and blacks (including citing bogus stats from a white nationalist source) to stoke and exploit resentments. He lies about the number of Syrian refugees admitted (claims 200,000; actual number 10,000), and he wants to close mosques and register Muslims.
And that doesn't even get into his earlier statements about Mexicans...
He gets called on his lies and yet he is undeterred in repeating them.
It's sad that you defend this racist puke.
Edit: the post mistakenly was originally addressed to Couchmaster.
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WBraun
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Nov 25, 2015 - 07:36am PT
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You Americans don't even know that Trump is "winging" his speeches as he goes along.
He's running his campaign like he's in a barber shop.
Just running his mouth any which way he deems at the time and circumstance.
Then when he blows it wings his corrections in some way or other.
All while America focus's on him more and more.
You've been 0wned ....
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 25, 2015 - 07:47am PT
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I think that's largely true, Werner.
I do the same thing. Vote for me! :-)
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 25, 2015 - 08:13am PT
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healyje wrote
We're in a transitional period between the old 'news' where we had a few relatively well-trusted sources to a brave new world where it's about as easy to trace a news source as it is a cartel dollar.
On the contrary, after the advent of radio and TV, which had a limited number of stations, objectivity was emphasized in the name of fairness. Where we are now is getting back to what the media always was before the 20th century.
Here is a Wikipedia article on media bias in the US:
"The existence of an independent, powerful, widely respected news media establishment is an historical anomaly. Prior to the twentieth century, such an institution had never existed in American history."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias_in_the_United_States
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 25, 2015 - 08:29am PT
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There's an old adage which I am not sure applies anymore that journalists tend to be lefties and owners of media outlets are righties. Anyway, all of them are basically looking for stories that stand out because that makes money and is good for careers. Win-win for owners and rank and file.
Anyway, Larry, I think your first post is largely true.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 25, 2015 - 10:36am PT
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You Americans don't even know that Trump is "winging" his speeches as he goes along.
Broadcast news is a subset of the entertainment industry, as is most written news. Trump makes for good entertainment.
And thanks, Larry, for the link on the politics of various occupations. While not terribly surprised, I still found it quite interesting.
And I largely agree with healyje's contention that the decline in respect for the news media is not really the fault of the government as the fault of those making their livelihoods by delivering it. H.L. Mencken's dictum that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people still holds true today, sad to say.
John
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 25, 2015 - 11:59am PT
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John,
I also agree with healyje that basically the media is just selling stories.
And as Dirtbag mentions, the lefties and the righties are getting their fair share of the products revenues.
Everything seems to be political now, and the media is cashing in.
To go back a bit on the Citizens United case at the Supreme court:
News organizations are big business corporations and they editorialize.
(When was the last time a republican was recommended for POTUS by the NY Times?)
How is the news media's influence affected by Citizen United, if at all?
How much does the news media raise their rates during elections seasons?
Are they profiteering off a different kind of war?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 25, 2015 - 12:19pm PT
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Larry, the discussion of the news media in the noise over the Citizens United case gets overlooked too easily. First, everyone who criticises the decision because it allegedly grants corporations First Amendment rights for the first time conveniently overlooks the First Amendment rights media corporations have long enjoyed. New York Times Co. v. Sullivan never seems to get a mention by the media, even though it granted a corporation First Amendment rights almost 50 years before Citizens United.
McCain-Feingold's exemption for the media corporations made no sense. In effect, they were saying that if a corporation owned a media outlet, it was free to say what it wanted. If it merely rented the outlet (i.e. bought an ad), it could be regulated without violating the First Amendment.
There is a clear business reason for the media to criticize the majority holding in Citizens United, and it has nothing to do with good government.
John
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 25, 2015 - 12:30pm PT
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Well said John and I as a huge opponent of direct campaign donations also clearly see the problem with the power of the corporate press. I don't have a good answer for this.
Yet I still believe there must be a better way to structure a political system so the interests of the people are represented first by those elected.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Nov 25, 2015 - 01:10pm PT
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climbski2,
I've always been conflicted between the influence of money on the one hand, and the squelching of a political message on the other.
Money has always been the mother's milk of politics, probably always will be.
Another perspective is when a candidate truly has an ideological agenda that he truly believes is a better agenda for the most people in the long run, he will get money backing from interests that seek to profit from it.
The opposition will claim that particular candidate was bought, but those who support that candidate will claim that is their philosophy. Who is to say which it is?
Just because a political party favors business, does not mean there is not an ideological philosophy that believes the business of America is business.
(What economic system has brought more people out of poverty than capitalism?)
(Is not the most pressing economic need right now not private sector jobs?)
We do not currently practice pure capitalism.
It is a crony capitalism marriage between big business and government.
Regulations are favored by the biggest players, as those regulatory hurdles are less to overcome for a big guy than a little guy.
Regulations are definitely necessary, but they can also perversely stifle true competition and keep the status quo.
Everything has an unintended consequence.
I think both parties tend to check the worst traits of the other party. Most Americans are somewhere in the middle and just want to get along.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 25, 2015 - 04:56pm PT
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CNN "Journalist" Caught Red-Handed Doing Media Favors for Hillary; Politico's Mike Allen Caught Red-Handed Promising Hillary's People a "No Surprises" Interview of Chelsea, in Which Questions Would Be Worked Out Beforehand
Hillary wanted some self-serving quotes publicized, and CNN's "journalist" -- the same one who just got suspended for her liberal angst about concerns about Syrian refugees -- duly complied.
She also hit Rand Paul for not attending all the hearings -- just as she was seemingly asked.
Here's that journalist reporting back to Team Hillary about the anti-Rand-Paul tweet she'd tweeted out at their apparent behest:
Screen shots at link
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=360274
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Nov 25, 2015 - 05:15pm PT
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CNN "Journalist" Caught Red-Handed Doing Media Favors for Hillary; Politico's Mike Allen Caught Red-Handed Promising Hillary's People a "No Surprises" Interview of Chelsea, in Which Questions Would Be Worked Out Beforehand
There is nothing about this which constitutes 'favors' and there's nothing new about folks laying ground-rules and saying interview questions have to be pre-submitted - it happens all the time and not just in politics.
Bush Pissed off at Irish Reporter
Two days ago, Carole Coleman, a reporter for the Irish news network, RTE, published an article on her experience of her July, 2004 interview with George Bush. She relates the white house requirements of pre-submitted questions, filming of the interview by the white house's own film crew...
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 25, 2015 - 05:34pm PT
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Not buying any of these characterizations. The "media" is not one thing. Sorry, I know that's a belief some have, the secret cabal pulling the strings, but that's lazy thinking, sad, but true.
The "media" is not telling stories, most are reporting facts as best they can. You should be smart enough to recognize the truth, the difference between fact and opinion.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 25, 2015 - 06:35pm PT
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^^
Whack job, creepy uncle everyone avoids at Thanksgiving.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Nov 25, 2015 - 07:26pm PT
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The real scandal is that Media matters still has 501C status,.
It's a bought and paid for leftist political money laundering and advocacy group.
At least Breitbart pays his taxes.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Nov 26, 2015 - 08:37am PT
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Werner u calibrated crankloon
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dirtbag
climber
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Nov 26, 2015 - 10:28am PT
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^^^^jealous
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Nov 26, 2015 - 10:32am PT
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Go eat some turkey, S(pud), with your family. be thankful you have the freedom to express your reprehensible opinions.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Nov 26, 2015 - 10:39am PT
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Whoa pilgrims. This is the day of Thanksgiving.
I agree with the op however.
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