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climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 20, 2015 - 11:02am PT
Registration of Jews. Err Muslims..whatever.

I am really sad that this guy has even slightly been taken seriously as a possible president of this nation.

Scary stuff..far scarier than any terrorist ever considered being.

And folks think calling republicans fascist is ridiculous non-serious rhetoric?

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/20/donald-trumps-call-for-muslim-registry-denounced-by-democrats/

NEWTON, Iowa — Donald J. Trump’s remarks Thursday that he would “absolutely” institute mandatory registration of Muslims drew broad condemnation from Democrats Friday and several of his Republican rivals even as some candidates have moved further to the right on national security in the wake of the Paris terror attacks.

Mr. Trump was asked about the issue by an NBC News reporter and pressed on whether all Muslims in the country would be forced to register. “They have to be,” he said. “They have to be.’’

When asked how a system of registering Muslims would be carried out — whether, for instance, mosques would be where people could register — Mr. Trump said: “Different places. You sign up at different places. But it’s all about management. Our country has no management.’’

Asked later, as he signed autographs, how such a database would be different from Jews having to register in Nazi Germany, Mr. Trump repeatedly said, “You tell me,” until he stopped responding to the question.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 20, 2015 - 11:08am PT
Stupid thread u give dems a bad name..

Edit: enjoy...


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climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 11:09am PT
No not hardly..That is pure evil being spoken by a serious republican contender.

It is Fascist to the core.

I cry every time I drive by this place.. I actually cry.

Fish Finder

climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 11:14am PT
sweet

we get to hear your political views and rants here
even though the news covers it just fine
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 20, 2015 - 11:15am PT
Populism and Republicans don't go well together. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff and the Red Scare show what happens when they do.

To me, Trump's views - impoverished as they are in actual policy prescriptions - form the antithesis of conservatism. Clasical conservatism advocates the free movement of goods, services and people, and oppoistion to barriers to same. Trump seems to embrace the very sorts of governmental interventions that promote those barriers. I still don't expect Trump to receive the nomination, because eventually the party will be left with a choice between Trump and a candidate with substance, but he will have done such damage to the party that he will virtually guaranty the election of a Democrat. If he somehow obtains the nomination, I, for one, will not vote for him.

John
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 11:18am PT
I rarely post on political threads and more rarely make one.

Trumps statement is so far beyond anything acceptable ..I still have some difficulty beleiving he suggested it..I would have suggested that such a thing would be inpossible in America when I was young.

Flabbergasted..except that the BS has been getting worse for a while and the stage has been a long time setting.

I seriously feel like I just got transported to mid 30's Germany and some guy named Hitler is running for election.

No not acceptable ..

please take this seriously..I wish I knew how to write better.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Nov 20, 2015 - 11:19am PT
Clasical conservatism has very little to do with the modern republican party.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Nov 20, 2015 - 11:21am PT
Trump has made a living (with regards to the polls) by making outrageous statments and the media that it generates. With Ben catching up to him in the polls, I think he casting around for the next big thing. His attacks on Ben didn't do it. Next up.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 11:26am PT
Perhaps you are correct spectre...I truly hope so. If so that NBC reporter and the editor should be fired.

I will delete this thread if so. I'm no fan of Trump even if this is misrepresented and untrue but wouldn't feel my OP is warranted.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 20, 2015 - 11:33am PT
REPORTER: Muslims specifically, how do you actually get them registered into a database?

TRUMP: It would be just good management. What you have to do is good management procedures. And we can do that.




TRUMP: Different places. You sign 'em up at different -- but it's all about management. Our country has no management.

Trump doesn't even know what the reporter is talking about by the end of the conversation.

Trump never suggested a database be kept. The Reporter made up the question to try and trick Trump.


That's just my take on the story. Think whatever you like.

So...

You are claiming Trump wants to sign 'em up at
different places

And not keep a database?


Yeah, right....

Ever hear of this?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 20, 2015 - 11:42am PT
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Norton

Social climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 11:51am PT
Clasical conservatism has very little to do with the modern republican party.

then why do classical Repubs still vote for the modern American Taliban?

force of habit I suppose
LOWERme

Trad climber
NM
Nov 20, 2015 - 12:01pm PT
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Nov 20, 2015 - 12:34pm PT
he doubled down

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/20/donald-trump-says-hed-absolutely-require-muslims-to-register/?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Norton

Social climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 12:35pm PT
registration IS a "data base", how could it be anything but?
Majid_S

Mountain climber
Karkoekstan
Nov 20, 2015 - 12:38pm PT
every dollar is one vote

more dollar = more vote

now repeat after me


moo monee moo vote
















StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 20, 2015 - 12:38pm PT
As I have said before, Trump is exposing the Repub majority for who they really are.

Go Donald!!!
dirtbag

climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 12:41pm PT

To me, Trump's views - impoverished as they are in actual policy prescriptions - form the antithesis of conservatism. Clasical conservatism advocates the free movement of goods, services and people, and oppoistion to barriers to same. Trump seems to embrace the very sorts of governmental interventions that promote those barriers. I still don't expect Trump to receive the nomination, because eventually the party will be left with a choice between Trump and a candidate with substance, but he will have done such damage to the party that he will virtually guaranty the election of a Democrat. If he somehow obtains the nomination, I, for one, will not vote for him.

Thanks John. But I actually am beginning to think the Republican Party might nominate him. I still give Rubio an edge in the long run, but the days before primaries are beginning to run out, so another candidate needs to make a move soon.

We need an intelligent two party system, and I wish your party would do better.

Climbski: I think I called him a loathesome pos in another thread because of his comments about Muslims, so yeah, I agree.
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
Nov 20, 2015 - 12:50pm PT
Wait.

Wasn't all new politardiness supposed to go into that one catch-all thread that was graciously provided?

I guess that the cats can't be herded after all.

;-)
dirtbag

climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 12:54pm PT
Jody, he doubled down. Read nature's link.

When asked how a system of registering Muslims would be carried out — whether, for instance, mosques would be where people could register — Mr. Trump said: “Different places. You sign up at different places. But it’s all about management. Our country has no management.’’

Asked later, as he signed autographs, how such a database would be different from Jews having to register in Nazi Germany, Mr. Trump repeatedly said, “You tell me,” until he stopped responding to the question.
Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Nov 20, 2015 - 12:56pm PT

climbski2, you're my fellow traveler, I couldn't agree more.
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Nov 20, 2015 - 01:09pm PT
Wow....he actually makes that facial hair look good. Seig heil!!!
plund

Social climber
OD, MN
Nov 20, 2015 - 01:11pm PT
There should be a registry of people who start ANY political threads on ST!

More Camp 4 stuff! More Tami! More great TRs! More wayback machine photos! etc, etc, etc
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Nov 20, 2015 - 01:15pm PT
[quote]he doubled down

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/20/donald-trump-says-hed-absolutely-require-muslims-to-register/?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur[/quote]

There's no doubling down, that's a link that describes what the OP was complaining about, which was then put into context by Spectreman. Hard to tell what Trump was talking about, if anything, or if he was just a victim of gotcha "journalism."

Anyway, remember your liberal hero FDR put the thousands of our fellow citizens in concentration camps, and your beloved Supreme Court, which bestows such wondrous freedoms on us, said that was just fine!
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 20, 2015 - 01:16pm PT
He says what he said, he meant it and now he's lying, trying to walk it back.

The Fix
Donald Trump’s defense of his Muslim database comments makes no sense
Donald Trump has a tried and true formula when cornered: Insist he didn't say what he said.

When he suggested that Fox News anchor Megyn Kelly had "blood coming out of her ... wherever," it, of course, wasn't a reference to her menstrual cycle. Only people with sick minds would think it was. When he said Mexican immigrants were "bringing drugs … bringing crime" and were "rapists", he later tried to explain that he meant those were the sort of people the Mexican government was sending to the United States..

And now, when confronted with video evidence from the campaign trail this week of his seeming acquiescence to the idea of a national database to track Muslims, Trump, again, pled misunderstanding.

Okay. Let's break this down.

The comments in question came after a Trump campaign event in Iowa on Thursday. An NBC reporter asks him "should there be a database that tracks the Muslims in this country?"

Trump responds: "There should be a lot of systems beyond databases. We should have a lot of systems, and today you can do it. Right now we have to have a border, we have to have strength, we have to have a wall."

The reporter follows up by asking whether that is something a Trump White House would be interested in.

"I would certainly implement that," Trump says. "I would stop people from coming in illegally."

He is then asked by the reporter: "How do you get them registered?"

"It would be good management," Trump responds. "Good management procedures."

Seems pretty straightforward, right?

The lone possibility for genuine misunderstanding I see is when Trump answers the first question by mentioning the wall and the reporter follows up with a generic follow-up about whether that would be something a Trump White House would want to do. It's conceivable at that point that Trump believes the question is about putting in a wall, which he has spoken in favor of many, many times.

But, and this is important, the next question from the reporter is "how do you get them registered?" -- a question that would make no sense to Trump if he thought the conversation was about the need for a border wall. Instead, he quickly responds "it would be good management."
dirtbag

climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 01:19pm PT
Anyway, remember your liberal hero FDR put the thousands of our fellow citizens in concentration camps, and your beloved Supreme Court, which bestows such wondrous freedoms on us, said that was just fine!

Yep, truly an horrendous f*#k up.

Let's not repeat the same mistakes.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Nov 20, 2015 - 01:23pm PT
The lone possibility for genuine misunderstanding I see is when Trump answers the first question by mentioning the wall and the reporter follows up with a generic follow-up about whether that would be something a Trump White House would want to do. It's conceivable at that point that Trump believes the question is about putting in a wall, which he has spoken in favor of many, many times.

But, and this is important, the next question from the reporter is "how do you get them registered?" -- a question that would make no sense to Trump if he thought the conversation was about the need for a border wall. Instead, he quickly responds "it would be good management."

This is just a rehash of what Spectreman already explained.
In the above quote, replace "it's conceivable at that point that Trump believes the question is about putting in a wall," with "it's obvious at that point that Trump was talking about a wall, as the rest of Trump's answer wouldn't have made any sense otherwise."
Now here's where the trick comes in--
the reporter changes yet again back to the database, even though it's obvious Trump was still talking about a wall.
I think at that point most likely Trump was just confused about what they were even talking about, and his "it would be good management" is just a fluff generic response that Trump gives when he doesn't want to say anything specific. Saying "it would be good management" doesn't really make much sense as a response to getting names in a database--it's just filler.
Nice example of liberal gotcha journalism at work.
overwatch

climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 01:32pm PT
He pretty much seems like a psycho to me. I don't know politics but I have known plenty of psychos
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 01:46pm PT
Unless he denies very strongly and clarifies what occurred and makes it clear that a religous list/database/whatchmacallit is not to be compiled..he remains an evil POS.

as I posted on the first page..

This brings me to tears.

Never again

JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 20, 2015 - 02:12pm PT
Yep, truly an horrendous f*#k up.

Let's not repeat the same mistakes.

And we did this to American citizens, to our great shame.

John
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 20, 2015 - 02:50pm PT
Stupid thread u give dems a bad name

No, just another example of how SuperTopo denizens exhibit a poor command
of the English language.

Talk is cheap. Trump is pretty low on the sliding evil scale. I know the
ST Robespierre Chowder and Marching Society would love to see him higher
on it but his deeds don't quite match up to his rhetoric.
lostinshanghai

Social climber
someplace
Nov 20, 2015 - 03:06pm PT
Trump wants to build a wall to keep out Mexicans now he will need to build a wall to keep [contain] Muslims in.

Why not just stamp the heads of all Muslims with #666?

DARPA [Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency] responsible for the development of just one old or new emerging technologies for use by the military which gave us Agent Orange with blues, and a few others can track them with their small sensors [size of a small finger nail]. US paid contractors set up sensing devices as well as adding more cameras that are even smaller than that small finger nail.

Better yet forget #666 and create new special chemistry for finger printing that way the chemical gets into the body and when presented with a passport it matches. Scanning system goes nuts then agent can arrest, question them and if need be deport them or put them back into Trump’s camp. Scanning system will also follow where they go.

Much cheaper than building new walls.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Carson might bring up the idea first. Who is dumber.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 03:09pm PT
Trump is pretty low on the sliding evil scale. I know the
ST Robespierre Chowder and Marching Society would love to see him higher
on it but his deeds don't quite match up to his rhetoric.

Perhaps he has simply lacked the opportunity to really go big.

I mean..It IS difficult to be successful at large scale evils like Genocide for example..unless one runs a nation with a solid military.

Although Cheney did a fair job of being evil running a mere oil servicing company with mercs on the payroll. Not sure if the entertainment or hospitality businesses really gives one that much room to spread their wings.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 20, 2015 - 03:15pm PT
Perhaps he has simply lacked the opportunity to really go big

Opportunity doesn't quite translate to done deals. If it did then many
of us would be able to claim we've freed the Nose or soloed the S Face
of Denali, naked. Good thing you don't make a living as a trial lawyer.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
I did say perhaps.

I am beginning to beleive Trump is a danger for America
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 20, 2015 - 03:18pm PT
Luckily we still live in a democracy and even if he got elected it is
highly probable he wouldn't be able to do most of the heinous things
y'all would love to see him try to do. ;-)
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 03:19pm PT
Depends on who controls congress from what I'm seeing.
John M

climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 03:21pm PT
opportunity in this case doesn't just mean its there and you have the time or inclination. It means that you also have the wherewithal to accomplish it. There have been many psychopaths. Few of them have equaled Hitler because they did not have the opportunity, i.e. the backing of a country and a military plus the repression or a country which made the Germans vulnerable to his type leadership. This is why oppression is so terrible. It can make a people vulnerable to evil.


Edit: oops.. you made my point while I was writing..

Luckily we still live in a democracy and even if he got elected it is
highly probable he wouldn't be able to do most of the heinous things
y'all would love to see him try to do. ;-)

hence, the opportunity doesn't exist.. thankfully.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 03:27pm PT
I do not have a side in this election. There is no one running that I will be able to vote for by the time the election actually occurs.

I posted this for one reason...

I am sickened by the idea..I am sickened that it's even a plausible discussion let alone the fact that this was actually suggested and not denied.

This is pretty damn horrible to have associated with a serious presidential candidate.
Lurkingtard

climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 03:42pm PT
Trump reminds me of a Borat at the rodeo.

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I think you all are getting punked.







Har har









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;-)





StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 20, 2015 - 03:42pm PT
Let's cut to the chase. If, by some travesty of reason, The Donald gets the nod, who here would vote for him? C'mon boys and girls, get off the fence and represent.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 20, 2015 - 03:58pm PT
I applaud your honesty Jody.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:02pm PT
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 11:09am PT
No not hardly..That is pure evil being spoken by a serious republican contender.

It is Fascist to the core.

Ah, FDR, the Democratic POTUS at the time, mandated them detention camps.

So it be fair to say according to your opinion of Trump, SKI, he too is a "Fascist piece of shet!


Carry on...........
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:06pm PT
Are you a Trump man Chief?
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:07pm PT
I wanna see how the Dems Can Do No Wrong Club rationalizes Manzanar.

"Oh, it was a different time."
WBraun

climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:07pm PT
You know its bad when climbski2 gets upset.

It's really really bad when climbski2 gets upset ......
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:07pm PT
Nope... not at all.

I'm NOBODY's man.


But the hypocritical ironee that SKI posted above is far too funeeeeeeeee!

EDIT:

Spot On Reilly.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 04:13pm PT
No irony at all Chief. I very deliberately put that picture in there as an example of how wrong our nation actually has been on similar issues in the past. Things we pretended to have learned from.

.. and you misquoted me..I do tear up everytime I see one of the Japanese internment camps. I've sworn never to forget.

It is known that FDR had some admiration for fascism and at least some desire for that type of power.

He did issue executive order 9066 creating the internment of the Japanese.

I am no fan of this type of thing regardless what party proposes it.

Today it happens to be a republican.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:16pm PT
And your point is SKI?




Oh, wait a minute. I get it.


That when at war with a particular enemy we should welcome the people of that nation/region with compassionate open arms.

Now that makes complete logical sense.



Throw the Trojan Horse principal out the door. It no longer applies in modern times.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 04:16pm PT
TRUMP IS EVIL

Thought I made that pretty clear.

-----


Try to stay on target Chief. I said nothing whatsoever about the refugees nor do i have any interest in posting on that topic given the overly simplistic nature of the current ST discussion about it.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:19pm PT
I did not ask if you were Trumps man, I asked if Trump was your man. You did not answer that question.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:19pm PT
I could give a fk about trump. He's a loon as bad as a Crankster and Fry etal.

Just your logic in posting up Manzanar makes me question your equating it to Trump/Republican as E.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:23pm PT
Your opinions are of little value or interest to me, El Jefe.

And Jody, hopefully, you won't have a chance to vote for Trump. He won't be taken out by the Dem's, however, but from within his own party. And Cruz? No chance. There just aren't enough evangelical's in the country as a whole.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:23pm PT

Nov 20, 2015 - 04:19pm PT
I could give a fk about trump. He's a loon as bad as a Crankster and Fry etal.

Just your logic in posting up Manzanar makes me question your equating it to Trump/Republican as E.

Careful Chief. When he becomes President he'll be hunting down subversives like you.

Hel'll make you register...have to.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 04:28pm PT
Just your logic in posting up Manzanar makes me question your equating it to Trump/Republican as E.

I actually thought the logic was fairly clear.

Ie..the next logical step from registering all muslims would be rounding them up.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:32pm PT
Ah, you mean like FDR did to safe guard the Homeland from potential "Trojan Horse" infiltrators.


So you believe that was a horrific tactical Defensive move on the part of FDR, SKI?

Let's see now....



BRUSSELS — Once a happy-go-lucky student at one of Brussels’ most prestigious high schools, Abdelhamid Abaaoud morphed into Belgium’s most notorious jihadist, a zealot so devoted to the cause of holy war that he recruited his 13-year-old brother to join him in Syria.

The child of Moroccan immigrants who grew up in the Belgian capital’s scruffy and multiethnic Molenbeek-Saint-Jean neighbourhood, the fugitive, in his late 20s, was identified by French authorities on Monday as the presumed mastermind of the attacks last Friday in Paris that killed 129 people and injured hundreds.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 04:33pm PT
The WWII internment of the Japanese was evil and wrong.

If that is what you are talking about my answer is ABSOLUTELY
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:35pm PT
Were we NOT at war with Japan AFTER they attacked our homeland, Ski?


Considering that the Empire of Japan was on a ruthless conquest of the Pacific, you do not believe that any of those Japanese Americans may have become sympathetic to the Empire and turned their loyalty to such.... Not one?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 04:36pm PT
Edit..to remove a reply

Not an interesting debate Cheif..Its so clear as to be about as useful as debating earth being spherical.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:38pm PT
Neither the Germans nor the Italians ATTACKED us as specifically as the Japanese did on Pearl. Too many indications of precise timing and the target locations led the President to believe different.

Big difference.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 04:41pm PT
Even if so (which it isn't)..it's immaterial to the issue.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:42pm PT
Of course it is, Ski.



BTW, when Attacked, the rules change. At least FDR thought so.


climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 04:43pm PT
I doubt that had anything to do with FDRs thinking on the detention, and regardless it is immaterial what his thinking was..he was dead wrong.

As is anyone who thinks registering the Muslims in this nation is a good idea.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:45pm PT
Apparently the rest of the Country at the time did not think so, Ski.



BTW, never heard anything about any of Ally Nations taking in any German Refugees during the war in Europe. None.

Have you?


And from what I understand about history during that era, Russia didn't even bother taking too many prisoners and certainly did not allow any potential German/Nazi collaborators in as refugees. All Nazi's that lived were instantly sent to a Gulag.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 04:47pm PT
I hope so too spectre but based on his lack of reaction to the issue I'm beginning to think he knew exactly what he was answering or we wants some people to believe he said it. Either way is really bad.

Apparently the rest of the Country at the time did not think so, Ski.

Which is the whole point of my post.. sometimes even America does really evil sh#t and the public approves..

SO I am here shouting loudly against it or even the possibility of it.
John M

climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:54pm PT

REPORTER: Would you go to mosques and sign these people up into the system?

TRUMP: Different places. You sign 'em up at different -

come on.. how could you say/believe that he was still talking about a wall once he said this statement? what does sign them up have to do with a wall? Nothing of course. He knew exactly what was asked.


He will pretend ignorance, but it will be code to the far right.

…..

My problem with Trump is he keeps the spotlight off the other candidates, helping the poor ones to hide and keeping the better ones from having a chance, thus causing us to end up with someone like Jeb.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:55pm PT
And of course your "feelings" will not change if and when ISIS does their dirty deeds here in the US. All of course from "Home Grown" Muslim entities as was the case in France.

Right SKI.
John M

climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 04:58pm PT
I don't believe climb ski would want to do something like chip muslims or register them if we are attacked here in America by ISIS.

I know that I wouldn't. and I believe that others wouldn't want to.

But it is disturbing how many can loose their mind. Such as how many were pro war after 9/11 and voted for the Iraq war. I protested that war. I also didn't believe that we should have gone into afghanistan. I thought we should have bombed the heck out of their camps, and mostly leave it at that.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 04:58pm PT
Not on this issue it won't change one bit...

I do expect that Daesh is attempting/planning an attack as we sit here posting ...and I also would not be surprised if they succeed. A register of muslims wouldn't do a damn thing to stop it. Infact it almost certainly would help make it happen.

This is an open society which comes with certain risks.. risks acceptable to a land of the brave and free.

Is America still even a shadow of that ideal?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 20, 2015 - 05:00pm PT
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 05:01pm PT
Even if a direct family member god forbid was a victim of their deeds, John M?



And you John M... same case scenario?
John M

climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 05:02pm PT
I lost one of my dearest friends in 9/11. Darren Bohan.. Love that guy and still miss him.

Going into Afghanistan did not make us safer, and going into Iraq made things worse.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 05:03pm PT
Not on this issue it won't change one bit...

I do expect that Daesh is attempting/planning an attack as we sit here posting ...and I also would not be surprised if they succeed. A register of muslims wouldn't do a damn thing to stop it. Infact it almost certainly would help make it happen.

This is an open society which comes with certain risks.. risks acceptable to a land of the brave and free.

Some things are worth dying for... certainly worth risking ones life for at least....Life and liberty being on that list.

One cannot claim to be for these defining American ideals if one is so afraid that they destroy those ideals instead of face even a very slight risk of death.

In a very real way anyone who wishes to so utterly destroy those ideals with a registration like this at best terribly confused as to what Freedom is and what it costs or at worst a pathetic coward.

....Well.... worst actually is traitor..a person bent on tyranny and using security as an excuse to institute it. An age old political strategy.

Nearly 1 million American servicemen and women have died ...supposedly to protect our freedom..Lets not insult their sacrifice by allowing the destruction of those freedoms at our own hand
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 20, 2015 - 05:12pm PT
I heard the raw tapes today and this is a completely made up story by NBC.

With Trump's supporters it will only increase their loyalty and just further erodes any credibility the MSM has with anyone that isn't viewing this whole thing thru rabid partisan glasses.


Trump is a big government crony mercantilist/populist, not by any stretch of the imagination a conservative.


Ain't my guy, but this brouhaha reflects more on the reporter, NBC and the nattering nabobs than it does him.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 05:25pm PT
Going into Afghanistan did not make us safer, and going into Iraq made things worse.


And removing Gaddafi from Libya since those supposed gross mistakes have made us safer and was justified, John M?
John M

climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 05:28pm PT
don't know enough about gaddafi.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 20, 2015 - 05:29pm PT
TNT, as usual, you are wrong. He clearly knew he was responding to a question about a data base. The reporter asked if it would be at mosques and he said yes, there and other places.

Fear mongering is the bread and butter of the right. Works every time. That's why Trump is doing it, he knows his audience.

Sooner or later, he will go down in flames. I, for one, will celebrate.

StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 20, 2015 - 05:38pm PT
So every time you say something dumb you have been tricked by the media? Good luck with the rest of the world leaders.

The Putinator will have him for lunch.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 05:56pm PT
^^ Thanks Tad...well said/posted!
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 05:58pm PT
don't know enough about gaddafi.


But you do know all about the Al-Qaeda, the Taliban and Hussein.... got it.


Oh, you must know that since Obama/Hildabeast got rid of Gaddafi, Libya is now in ISIS control and one of their major strongholds in North Africa.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 20, 2015 - 06:15pm PT
Trump is an ugly narcissistic blowhard but he is too stupid to be truly evil.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 06:19pm PT
I wish that were true Donini. Unfortunately Trump is actually a truly brilliant man. He has an understanding of society and psychology that is not merely natural but also deeply studied and applied over decades.


There used to be a longer version of this video where trump explains more how this type of thing is a tactic that he can use during negotiations. Anyway he is a master of manipulation.
[Click to View YouTube Video]

Norton

Social climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 06:28pm PT


Generals Shoot Down Trump’s Fear-Mongering Plans for Muslims


An ID card for Muslims? Shutting down mosques? Retired top officers say Trump’s national security notions are crazy—at best.
Donald Trump and Ben Carson have spent the last 24 hours proposing bigoted and constitutionally questionable methods for keeping tabs on Muslims and Syrian refugees. And that’s causing some retired generals and admirals to speak out against the GOP presidential frontrunners.

The former top military officers contacted by The Daily Beast said not only are Carson and Trump pushing ideas that are unworkable, they would actually make the situation in Middle East worse.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/20/generals-shoot-down-trump-s-fear-mongering-plans-for-muslims.html
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 06:30pm PT
Remember when Bill Clinton sent in his ATF doods to get rid of this child refugee and the then Gov Bush totally protested his actions?

But of course that act was never "evil". Nope.




Oh the Ironeeee......



climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 06:36pm PT
The Elian Gonzales thing was a custody battle..cmon.

Ugly and wrong as well and it almost certainly cost Gore the presidency...

but this muslim registration issue is far far far beyond democrat vs republican.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Nov 20, 2015 - 07:02pm PT
but this muslim registration issue is far far far beyond democrat vs republican.

When France and Germany take in these refugees they will certainly be registered.

In fact Greece fingerprints and logs all refugees that come to their shore...
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 20, 2015 - 07:05pm PT
Ski,


Should we talk about how POTUS Clinton dealt with Cuban Boat "Refugee" People throughout his tenure?

His standing policy to ICE and the US Coast Guard was to intercept and send them ALL back to Cuba for fear of the lot being brutal criminals that Castro was actually releasing to infiltrate the US.


What a compassionate guy he and his First Lady were....
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 20, 2015 - 07:36pm PT
When France and Germany take in these refugees they will certainly be registered.

What does screening refugees have to do with a blanket registration of all muslims in the USA?



Should we talk about how POTUS Clinton dealt with Cuban Boat "Refugee" People throughout his tenure?

Uh..no Chief... I'm talking about something else. Start your own thread for that. Perhaps a Clinton Bashing thread.. I'll be glad to pile on with you.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Nov 20, 2015 - 09:34pm PT
Trump's plan to register Muslims is a riff on an equally demented idea:


http://time.com/4016229/chris-christie-fedex-immigration/


http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/29/politics/chris-christie-fedex-packages/



Those Republican candidates are fungible retards. It is very difficult to see where one ends, and the other begins. They all start saying the same thing. Whichever way the wind blows, that's the course they set.


These so-called conservatives are not in favor of free movement of goods and services. Just about all of them are agitating for defunding and outlawing health care services for women.


Like all greedy people, they like the game rigged in their favor, and the deck stacked against others.



The Republican conservatives want to eliminate government interference, and enjoy free-enterprise, with respect to their own activities:

 financial fraud
 corporate monopolies
 polluting the environment
 evading taxes, regulations and inconvenient laws
 exploiting other people, here and abroad
 using money to influence politicians and judges
 ignoring state and federal civil rights laws


Then, they rant and rave about how they plan to have the government severely restrict the rights of other people:

 tracking people, like they were Fedex packages
 evicting native-born citizens with immigrant parents
 surveilling and tracking of people based on their religion
 outlawing abortion
 outlawing unions and collective bargaining
 forcing consumer disputes to arbitration
 eliminating citizens' right to redress grievances in a court of law
 enacting onerous burdens to dissuade and exclude certain groups of voters



They want to deregulate themselves, while increasing the regulation of others.

They want to eliminate the welfare state, but not corporate subsidies and tax loopholes.

They are greedy hypocrites, in favor of maintaining and increasing the parasitic activities that are destroying America. They point at and decry welfare mothers with one hand, and take a $700 billion dollar government payment with the other.

It's sickening to see the death of America, right before one's eyes, especially when otherwise sensible people rally around and cheer on the destroyers.


People get the government they deserve.


The Trumploons don't deserve Donald D#@&%e (er, Donald Doosh)


Psilocyborg

climber
Nov 20, 2015 - 11:00pm PT
breaking news: ISIS's campaign gains traction as stupid americans turn on themselves
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Nov 21, 2015 - 06:53am PT
Jesus christ that is some stupid f*#king distinction. LOL. What the f*#k do you think a watchlist is held in you goddamn morons???A Word document? A spreadsheet for f*#king sake?

Man, the stupid runs strong in this thread.

stupid does run strong in this thread. on the one hand i find what trump said is disgusting, and he was originally tricked into it. on the other hand, everyone is on a f*#king list.

snowden uncovered that. if you dont think NSA is keeping track of every bit of info about people that they can your fooling yourself.

but yes, for a presidential candidate to talk about lists of all muslims is really bad. but the fact is the already have that list. they just dont want to talk about it.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Nov 21, 2015 - 08:06am PT
stupid enough to be 'tricked' (poor sap) by a news reporter = too stupid to be a President.

John M

climber
Nov 21, 2015 - 08:16am PT
Hawkeye. I think you make a good point about there already being a lot of lists, but I don't' think Trump was tricked. He is very astute. I believe he knew exactly what that reporter asked the instant he asked it, and said what he wanted to say knowing that when the outrage came, he could claim innocence if it looked like he needed to. Plus he could once again complain about how terrible the media is, which plays well for those who would vote for him, plus if he has to backtrack, then those who believe like he does will spin it to just be political expediency and will still believe that he is in their camp. Its a win win win for him no matter how it plays out.

I will confess. In its early days I watched trumps tv show. He proved to be very astute and able to cut to the chase almost immediately. This doesn't mean that I agree with his opinions, just that he is quick to understand the nuances of what is going on.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 22, 2015 - 01:26pm PT
breaking news: ISIS's campaign gains traction as stupid americans turn on themselves

Why is everyone elevating a plan that is literally carried out on a weekly basis in America to "terrorists mastermind" level?
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 22, 2015 - 02:04pm PT
Evil? Maybe.
Stupid? Definitely. Along with anyone who would vote for him.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/22/457012242/trump-doubles-down-on-claim-he-saw-thousands-cheer-on-9-11
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 22, 2015 - 02:18pm PT
crankster keep up on the Cnn BS!
Banks

Trad climber
Santa Monica, CA
Nov 22, 2015 - 03:43pm PT
Good old Captain Blowhard has outdone himself. Pretty disgusting actually. Tweeting out made up statistics on black and white killings.

http://gawker.com/noted-racist-donald-trump-tweets-out-anti-black-propaga-1744083487
Lurkingtard

climber
Nov 22, 2015 - 03:46pm PT
Trump is a mirror.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 22, 2015 - 03:54pm PT
sorta

http://spotlight.ipsos-na.com/index.php/news/the-rise-of-neo-nativism-putting-trump-into-proper-context/
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Nov 22, 2015 - 04:02pm PT
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 22, 2015 - 04:13pm PT
It is certainly not difficult to imagine a 1939 version of Trump goose stepping in freshly shined jack boots down the Oranienburger Strasse.
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Nov 22, 2015 - 04:27pm PT
Trump is a megalomaniac. He doesn't give a sh#t about anyone but Trump.
Norton

Social climber
Nov 22, 2015 - 04:30pm PT

well, the betting markets keep saying Rubio will be the ultimate Repub nominee,
reasoning that the Republican base voters will eventually come to their senses
and realize that Trump, Cruz, Carson would lose to Hillary in a landslide and only a
less extremist like Rubio would even stand a chance

I think the betting markets could be wrong, they are overestimating the intelligence of the Republican voter, who really is not smart enough to consider which is the best nominee to face the Democrat and goes with who most appeals to their own values
of outright racism, homophobic, hate and fear of all Muslims, etc

as such, I have believe Trump continues as their nominee, who will lose big to Hillary
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 22, 2015 - 04:36pm PT
"Yep, visions of 1939, and Wendells post nails it.

Rubio gets the nod and Trump runs as a 3rd party candidate.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 22, 2015 - 04:45pm PT
Lurkingtard is on to something scary....Trump is a mirror. Trump is one person but there are millions who say they would vote for him.....that's enough to cause night sweats.
He is a mirror of a too large segment of the American electorate who are so blinded by their bigotrys and so hopelessly mired in their ignorance they view the most pathetic presidential candidate in memory as a savior
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Nov 22, 2015 - 05:05pm PT
Trump will win and then lob nuclear crankloons and all the stupid crankloons will be destroyed.

America will be gone!!!

The Putinator will land at Plymouth Rock and have dinner with whats left of America and rebuild America.

Everyone will live happily ever after and there will be holiday in November called Putingiving,

No crankloons and Norton politards will ever be invited .....

-Werner

That is classic!!!

LOL!!!!!
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 22, 2015 - 05:07pm PT
Werner....stupid, hardly; old, hmmm he's younger than me; a fool....let's just say that some of his views are unconventional.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 22, 2015 - 05:36pm PT
The Democrats started on their quest to destroy the Constitution when Andy Jackson told the Supreme court to pound sand and proceed with a genocide against the Cherokee so he could make good on his promise to his southern white supporters to give them their lands.

They have finally succeeded.

They have sewn the hydra's teeth

Now that 100 years of "progressive" policy's from both parties have striped all vestiges of Constitutional limits and the rule of law has been replaced by the rule of the institutional bureaucrat, the stage has been set.

They were just wrong about who would step up to the foot-light.



rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 22, 2015 - 05:57pm PT
We pray for the speedy arrival of the The Purinator here in Cook Inlet. Once freed, Trump would be a good replacement for the party appartchiks running AK into the ground.
ms55401

Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
Nov 22, 2015 - 06:13pm PT
only in America can folk discuss Trump as a more-or-less viable presidential candidate on a "Climber's Forum"

And I think that's great. At the end of the day, Clinton will be the next president; it's a fait accompli, and has been for many, many months. [I personally would prefer an alternative, but that's not in the cards for 2016.] No serious person doubts this. So lampoon or revere Trump -- it truly does not matter, does not affect the inevitable coronation.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 22, 2015 - 06:18pm PT
I've heard of this inevitable shet before. Wasn't coronated then and maybe a coronary now, but prez never. The populace can't squeeze their noses tight enough to escape the stench emanating from that old bag of gas.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Nov 22, 2015 - 06:21pm PT
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 22, 2015 - 06:21pm PT
You Go Hildabeast.. You GO GGGGGirl!!!





[Click to View YouTube Video]
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 22, 2015 - 06:32pm PT
Rick, you're....well, you're a bit out of touch, but isn't that why people move to Alaska. Harken to what Nate Silver said in the "Signal and the Noise." The noise is what you hear on the internet, the signal is what actually happens.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 22, 2015 - 06:47pm PT
"What's the frequency Kenneth"

Patriotism , to hell with that Jim, we need a nightly reality show-Slash and Burn. Starring whoever but the Hildabeast. Gotta undo everything these progressives have done and retire the entrenched bureaucrats.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 22, 2015 - 06:50pm PT
Ah Jim, if only it were so easy....civics classes. What you are witnessing are the death throes of, what was, a white (mostly male) majority voting block. It isn't pretty, nor was the death of apartheid in South Africa, but it's utterly predictable.
jonnyrig

climber
Nov 22, 2015 - 06:57pm PT
Best stock up on ammo. If Billary gets it, you won't be able to afford any. IF you can find it. And if Tra-dumbp gets it? We might actually have to defend the country from foreign invasion.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 22, 2015 - 07:00pm PT
Inauguration Day 2017 is going to be so much fun. The GOP establishment will rightly blame the tea party crazies, the tea party crazies will blame the media, everyone but themselves.

Don't worry, jrig, they are all stocked up from when Obama was going to snag all the bullets for Jade Helm.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 22, 2015 - 07:04pm PT
"Death throws", really Donini? Reactionaries have made that claim many a time in conditions just as bad or worse than the current over the last 230 years. Facts are the pendulum swings too far one way then too far the other. Right now people (the silent but awakened majority) have had enough. I mean; my wife and daughter can't go to a public bathroom without encountering Lola and our grandkids are saddled with a near bottomless pit of debt.

So Brennan, a nightly reality show live from the white house-sounds good eh?
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 22, 2015 - 07:06pm PT
As they say....time will tell what was the signal and what was the noise.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 22, 2015 - 07:14pm PT
What's that Kenneth? You're broadcasting on the wrong frequency (Dan Rather garbled circa 1980). Perhaps your accumulated "wisdom" is out of tune.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 22, 2015 - 07:26pm PT
It's impossible for someone to simply hold an opposing opinion.

They have to have something wrong with them. They're ignorant. Or they're blind. Or evil. Or bigots. Or out of touch. Or cowards.

Anything but face up to the fact that reasonable people may disagree on things.
Risk

Mountain climber
Olympia, WA
Nov 22, 2015 - 07:27pm PT
Frankly,I am shocked there is a purportedly legitimate website for him. I thought it was just some sort of joke, really! I want a "Trump" lawn sign as a collector's item!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 22, 2015 - 07:28pm PT
Faced with another Obamakin, or god forbid the Hildabeast, people would just as soon vote for Bozo The Clown, Locker. That is, if he wasn't a denizen of the forbidden city-Washington D.C. You guys on the progressive side have been suckered by this promise of a permanent Dem demographic.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 22, 2015 - 07:30pm PT
Chaz, what you say is certainly possible and definetly preferable.....but, really, is wanting Trump to be president in any way reasonable?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 22, 2015 - 07:35pm PT
If that's the way you feel, you can use that rationalization to justify anything, up to and including assassination. Which defeats the purpose of the elections and the Constitution.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 22, 2015 - 07:38pm PT
Gee...i really don't follow you. Over and out...getting up early to go climbing.
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Nov 22, 2015 - 07:39pm PT
I cry every time I drive by this place.. I actually cry.


lol
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 22, 2015 - 07:54pm PT
Trump is far too bright to run for president.

Why would a billionaire malignant narcissist want to be puppet president? He wouldn't.

He's become a scripted sideshow distraction. To what end we can only guess but there's not a serious interest there IMO...

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 22, 2015 - 07:58pm PT
Actually Tad, lightening up and clowning about would do her good because right now she comes off like a automaton.

Real estate speculator Brennan? Maybe more like a shameless self promoter whose been loud and entertaining enough to establish a brand. You find the prospect of him inconceivable, well look around you buddy-who is your PM, and what about that recent mayor of Toronto?
John M

climber
Nov 22, 2015 - 08:14pm PT
Why would a billionaire malignant narcissist want to be puppet president? He wouldn't.

He is arrogant enough to believe that he can control things. Being president is the ultimate power trip. Lots of guys have billions. But in any year, there is only one current president. Trump is a big time power tripper and one of his biggest power trips is image. The president of the United States still carries with it the image of the most powerful man in the world, no matter what is going on behind the scenes.

There probably isn't anyone who is in to power who wouldn't take the call of the president, so Trump, in his arrogance, believes that with access, he can can convince anyone of anything. Money gets him a lot of access, but there are still people richer then he is. So with the presidency, he now has access to anyone he wants.

its all about arrogance.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Nov 22, 2015 - 08:23pm PT
But therein lies the rub....

The president has no power except that which is granted to him by power of the narrative he's handed. Look at the current puppet in chief. I actually believe he might have been a decent person at one point. Maybe he even believed his own BS when campaigning.

Trump's gotta see that anyone who rocks that boat is either discredited or dead...

Trump's all about trump. This is perfect propaganda for his own ego. Actually taking the position is a different matter entirely.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 22, 2015 - 08:23pm PT
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 22, 2015 - 08:23pm PT
Can you name one person running who wants the job so they can defend and uphold the Constitution?

One?
jonnyrig

climber
Nov 22, 2015 - 08:36pm PT
Politics is nothing more than an accurate representation of the people.
Look around you.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 22, 2015 - 09:49pm PT
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired Climber
Nov 22, 2015 - 09:56pm PT
If the election were held today, Trump would win.
It would be a landslide against sanders. A tougher fight against Clinton, but he would still win.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 22, 2015 - 10:25pm PT
^^ That is an interesting question.. Bernie has no chance to get the Dem nomination. It will be Miss Status Quo ..Clinton Vs. whatever

Today? Hard to say.. in another four years demographics will make the current version of the republican party absolutely a moot point(if it already hasn't) regardless their efforts on poll restrictions ...stemming an overwhelming tide has its limits.. ... but this year is maybe their last gasp ..

Interesting.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired Climber
Nov 22, 2015 - 10:31pm PT
Climbski2. I think trumps represents the last bastion of the white voter.
To be honest, people are fed up with political correctness.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 22, 2015 - 10:33pm PT
Yeah I'm fine with rude ,crude ,uncouth whatever (especially if it is an act with some real intellect behind it) Lincoln was like that...Hell.. Ben Franklin was a master of that act and pulled off one of the greatest diplomatic coups in world history....Negotiating total victory w/o conditons vs the Brits after cessation and without giving our French ass savers a damn thing either...Our little ragtag army walked away with a continent (well the start of one anyway)..free and clear.

gdamn brilliant and near impossible to imagine.



However I'm not fine with fascist evil cowardly scapegoating racist sh#t.
scooter

climber
fist clamp
Nov 23, 2015 - 12:38am PT
Personally I would have found a better way to deal with the citizens of Japanese descent. I think the worry at the time was that there were possibly a few individuals that would provide information to the Japanese. The Japanese had bombs that were attached to ballons and they drifted over the Pacific. They were trying to get the timing and ballast correct to have them drop in California. Some did actaully hit the West Coast but there was media black out and I beleive they may have been reported as wild fires. The Brits were suffering from something similar but it was German spies directing artilery, bombs and rockets on to target. Even back in the 30's-40's short wave radios were very powerful.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 23, 2015 - 01:40am PT
There were more people of German descent then than of Japanese descent. About 5 million Americans had two German parents, and another 6 million had one German parent.

Though there was confinement for German and Italian nationals,( about 11,000) there was very little imprisonment of American Citizens of those ethnic groups, and no East Coast exclusion zone for people of those groups to match the West Coast one for American Citizens of Japanese descent.
scooter

climber
fist clamp
Nov 23, 2015 - 01:55am PT
Good info Lorenzo. Do you know how many Citzens of Japanese descent were interned?

I cannot access Google otherwise I would look for myself.

Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 23, 2015 - 07:22am PT
It's as if President Roosevelt didn't even know who was going to win the war.
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 23, 2015 - 07:40am PT
Hey Chaz, the new theme by the classy left wingers here on ST is to now bag on FDR (Executive Order 9066 and so on)!!!

Ironically, he is championed by so many on their side of the aisle as being one of the BEST of our nations Presidents. And of all things, the TOP Democrat to have ever held that position.

Toooooo Funnneeee.






crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 23, 2015 - 07:50am PT


10b, I disagree. The GOP primary is putting the spotlight on a segment of the population (crazy) that does not reflect the majority opinion in the country. There just aren't enough Chief's, Sumner's, TGT's, cosmic, etc. to put Trump in the White House. Plenty of stupid people, not enough.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 23, 2015 - 07:53am PT
To be honest, people are fed up with political correctness

To be honest,people want a president to be MORE politically correct!

gridlock in the white house is blamed on a president who hates politics..
John M

climber
Nov 23, 2015 - 08:01am PT
something you don't seem to understand Chief is that someone can make mistakes, but still be a good leader. At heart FDR was a decent leader. Clinton had his issues. If I was Hillary, I would have bitch slapped him silly, but Clinton still did decent things for this country. Bush senior, didn't like some of the things he stood for, still did an okay job. At least he was wise enough not to go full on into the middle east sh#t show. Ronald Reagan..Smart, but I thought he did some of the worst things this country has seen as a leader. Bush junior, nice guy, would love to drink a beer with him, but he was a putz.. and let Cheney and Rumsfelt decide things, and those guys are two evil shits.

You have a serious problem making everything black and white. It rarely is. You for one are one stubborn SOB who can be meaner then sh#t at times and seriously condescending, but I still think that you are a good guy and would want you coming after me if I was in trouble. And even with that, I still want to knock you upside your head on an almost daily basis. You could be rescuing me out of some serious sh#t and on the way home you would probably say something which would cause me to want to toss you out of the help.. Not that I would, but the temptation would be there. So things such as whether a person is good or not are not black and white.

….

It was one thing to lock up the Japanese, especially since we let their sons and daughters fight in the military, but we also stole their homes, their belongs, the income. If you rented from a Japanese landlord during the war, then you didn't have to pay rent. The Japanese were forced to sale most of their goods and not keep their homes, so these were forces sales which didn't produce much money compared to the value of the goods. We also stole businesses and such. And when it came time to compensate them after the war, they could claim a loss, but failure to produce any documentation required by the government and then they could face 10,000 dollars in fines and prison. So few did.

Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 23, 2015 - 06:02pm PT
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/23/politics/donald-trump-new-jersey-cheering-september-11/


The phase,

"Lying sack of shit"

Comes to mind.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 23, 2015 - 06:15pm PT
There just aren't enough Chief's, Sumner's, TGT's, cosmic, etc. to put Trump in the White House

Crankaloon is so brain dead that he can't even wrap his head around the fact that none of those he mentioned even remotely support Trump.

Trump's support is coming from disengaged blue collar voters that used to be the core of the Democrat party.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 23, 2015 - 06:15pm PT
Hey, it was "well covered at the time". But only this racist, ignorant piece of human garbage can remember it.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 23, 2015 - 06:25pm PT
It was well covered, but more like a few hundred, not thousands.

But then everything about the guy is hyperbole.

And, you have no issue with lying about who here supports him.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 23, 2015 - 06:26pm PT

Nov 23, 2015 - 01:55am PT
Good info Lorenzo. Do you know how many Citzens of Japanese descent were interned?

I cannot access Google otherwise I would look for myself.

Between 110,000 and 120,000 , roughly all the Japanese Americans in the West Coast states ( including Idaho and Nevada) that could be identified.


In Oregon, the exclusion zone was identified as rt. 97, or roughly current Interstate 5 on the East bank of the Willamette River in Portland.

So if you took a 5 minute walk across a Willamette River bridge, you were technically outside the exclusion zone.

But several thousand in downtown Portland were still excluded.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 23, 2015 - 06:28pm PT
Well, TNT, as an evangelical I suppose I mistakenly assigned you to Trump, when you probably are a Carson or Cruz supporter. You're so wrong so often I naturally figured you admire Trump.

Well covered? Hundreds? You are really delusional. Show me some coverage. And not your usual nutty websites.
Norton

Social climber
Nov 23, 2015 - 06:30pm PT
you will vote for Trump if he is the Republican candidate facing Hillary.

and it is looking more and more like Donald will be the nominee

I hope so, he represents everything that the Republican Party is about

say, you wanna bet on the election?

I got $3000 that says Hillary beats the Republican candidate

any takers?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 23, 2015 - 06:32pm PT
Another stupid assumption. definitely not an evangelical.

You must really have a deep reading comprehension issue.

Doubt he'll be the nominee, but the bad news for Hildebeest is that you have to get all the way down to Carly before it's a tie.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 23, 2015 - 06:34pm PT
Norton, Nate Silver's pretty smart. He puts Trump's chances at less than 20%

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dear-media-stop-freaking-out-about-donald-trumps-polls/

Doubt he'll be the nominee, but the bad news for Hildebeest is that you have to get all the way down to Carly before it's a tie.

Ha!!!!!! You're reading the same polls Mitt Romney was. Turn that damn talk radio off, TNT.
And you're so busy voicing your opinion about what candidate & president you hate it's hard to figure out who you support. Grow a pair. Name names.
zBrown

Ice climber
Nov 23, 2015 - 06:43pm PT
Shelter in place, dudes and hold off on the gory graphic evil sheeit photos, eh.
Norton

Social climber
Nov 23, 2015 - 06:57pm PT
From Charles's link

The party’s core is dying off by the day.
Since the average Republican is significantly older than the average Democrat, far more Republicans than Democrats have died since the 2012 elections. To make matters worse, the GOP is attracting fewer first-time voters. Unless the party is able to make inroads with new voters, or discover a fountain of youth, the GOP’s slow demographic slide will continue election to election.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/05/the-gop-is-dying-off-literally-118035#ixzz3sNFGwdcA
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Nov 23, 2015 - 06:59pm PT
Pyro-

Can you please explain the relevance of walking around Airforce One with a video camera, other than the fact it gives you a tingle in your groin?

After that, can you explain what the- "bomb the sh#t out of them" video has to do with this subject matter, other than the fact it gives you a tingle in your groin?

Byran

climber
San Jose, CA
Nov 23, 2015 - 07:15pm PT
I'd trust the judgement of professional bookie over whatever the news media has to say on the matter. It's illegal to bet on elections in the US, but that doesn't stop a bunch of out-of-state gambling houses and websites from taking bets. Hillary is the favored candidate to win it on all of these. Rubio pulls in a distant second, with Trump coming in a still more distant third (which is scary enough). The odds against Trump are around 7:1 or 8:1. Odds against any Republican winning the general election are currently 6:5. Which means Norton's bet is a sh#t one to accept. You'd make 20% more money if you took the same bet to a gambling site won. But of course you wouldn't have the satisfaction of taking Norton's money.
Norton

Social climber
Nov 23, 2015 - 07:23pm PT

PredictWise is showing Rubio as the heavy favorite to be the Republican nominee

http://www.predictwise.com/


they assume that the Republican base voter will come to their senses at some point
and vote for who is the best candidate to face Hillary

I think they are wrong, they give the Repub base voter too much intelligence credit

the base wants someone just like them, older, white, racist - has to be Donald
Byran

climber
San Jose, CA
Nov 23, 2015 - 08:06pm PT
A computer didn't predict it. It's just a simple statistical analysis that only takes into account the approval ratings of the party leaving office and the odds of that party winning the next election, you could crunch those numbers with a pen and paper. Obama's approval is low so the Republicans will win, it's as simple as that right? Also Reuters didn't build the "computer model", this was just taken from a blog post one of the contributors made on the Reuters website. And now a blogger on the Fortune website is reporting on it. Gotta love click-bait news.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Nov 23, 2015 - 08:19pm PT

Norton

Social climber
Nov 23, 2015 - 08:41pm PT
Norton, $3000 is to much for my conviction. How about $100? I say, the next president will be a Republican.


Hi Moose!

I cannot bet any amount with you, especially given that I am very convinced that a Repub cannot get to 270 Electoral votes

now, if one of the mouth breathing, uninformed and misinformed Sarah voters here who are still sucking their thumbs and obsessed with posting childish pictures of President Obama or Hillary Clinton would like to take my bet then I would be delighted

how about taking my bet, you kids can pool your money to raise the 3K?
The Chief

climber
Down the hill & across the Valley from......
Nov 23, 2015 - 09:00pm PT
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 24, 2015 - 08:32pm PT
philo

climber
Nov 24, 2015 - 10:55pm PT
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 25, 2015 - 04:56am PT
I particularly like this one:

The GOP is dying off, literally

Charles

It's like 2009 all over a gain.

http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/853877/The-Death-Throes-Of-The-Republican-Party
Port

Trad climber
Norwalk, CT
Nov 25, 2015 - 04:57am PT
It was in fact shown on the the news here Arabs dancing in the streets in Jersey city and Patterson NJ after the attack.

Really? Where's the footage then? If it was on the news, surely you can provide it!

But, you can't/wont because it never happened.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Nov 25, 2015 - 05:08am PT
Contractor go tingle climbski..

Contractor the video of Airforce 1 was filmed illegally..
Suppose to make u feel somewhat that ur a President..



Trumps video on the Isis is pricless..

EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 25, 2015 - 07:07am PT
There were news stories of "Palestinians dancing in the streets", with video of kids dancing around... maybe even burning US flags. It turned out the story involved one isolated event.

Never heard any stories of people celebrating on US soil.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 07:32am PT
ort I watched it on the news and clearly remember the anger i felt when seeing people in my state cheering. why should I have to provide something that was shown on TV 14 years ago? this was in 2001 before all this social media crap. you can call Trump a liar all you want but do Not call me a liar.

He's a liar.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2015 - 07:42am PT
Interesting how prejudice, anger and dislike allows one to remember things that never happened. Especially when you have 15 years to massage that memory with more current images and emotions.

Yep I too remember the lady who cheered and a flag burning over in the middle east..but fortunately my mind has stayed clear enough not to make up false memories of Americans cheering about the loss of the towers.

For what it is worth..those of you who believe you remember Trumps supposed memory...what do you think would have happened to any neighborhood in Jersey that had cheered that day.

-----


What this supposed memory (if he is telling the truth and actually believes it) really tells me is that Trump hates Muslims.

Or he is a liar or both.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Nov 25, 2015 - 07:44am PT
He's a liar.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 07:45am PT
Climbski, spot on.

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 25, 2015 - 08:48am PT
There was celebratory emotion coming from some of the more newly arrived middle eastern in America community right after 9-11. Witnessed it myself from pronouncements of my Persian sister in law. That quickly gave way to blaming Mossad.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 08:54am PT
"A number of" Muslims.

Where are the "thousands" Trump claims?

Lies.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2015 - 08:56am PT
Hmm I suppose it's possible that something was on Jersey local news that wasn't picked up by 24/7 Cable news. I'd imagine there were some folks in America secretly cheering.

So how many people were at these tailgate parties? Were these folks really cheering??..Were they really in Jersey and how could you tell other than what some anouncer might have said. Or was it just people watching the smoke and devastation across the river. You sure you are not confused with the stuff being shown from palestine that day.

Anycase I don't think that is what Trump is claiming. 1000's as I recall.

Regardless he was dead wrong to suggest a watch list of all muslims.
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 25, 2015 - 08:59am PT
Yes, the guy tends to exxagerate.



Norton

Social climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 09:04am PT
massive False Equivalence


it is calling "lying" - not exaggerating

and not just once, but many lies and seemingly added to daily

but you will vote for him anyway, because you voted for Sarah
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 25, 2015 - 09:07am PT
No, piss ant, I voted against Obama-twice.

And no again, I'm coming around to Jody's point of view.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 25, 2015 - 09:40am PT
Port I watched it on the news and clearly remember the anger i felt when seeing people in my state cheering. why should I have to provide something that was shown on TV 14 years ago? this was in 2001 before all this social media crap. you can call Trump a liar all you want but do Not call me a liar. BTW after 911 i was volunteering with the salvation army, unloading supplies, serving food, water to workers doing what I could to help out. were you one of those yellow belly sissies that had to run away?

Liar.

The police in NJ (with a Repug Gov) say it did not happen.

So now the police are falsifying their records. (probably all 911 sympathizers?)

The TV stations have no record of such reports?

The reporters that worked at all the NJ stations say it never happened?

But everyone is missing the bigger picture: you can't throw a tailgate party together on the spur of the moment, it takes shopping and planning. SO THEY KNEW THE ATTACK WAS COMING!!!!!

THE SMOKING GUN!!!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 25, 2015 - 09:44am PT
It didn't happen. I actually have been searching for this video of Arabs celebrating 9/11. All I have found are hundreds of videos from multiple sources stating that it didn't happen.

I have seen the video however, of Trump on 9/13/01 where he makes no mention of any such thing.

Hundreds of fact checkers say this didn't occur. If it happens, and it's "widely covered" as he says, somebody would be able to provide this video.

So why does this this frontrunner now insist it happened? Because it plays into the narrative of his supporters believing all Muslims are evil.
Norton

Social climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 09:47am PT
because he is a pathetic liar
dirtbag

climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:02am PT
And opportunist, exploiting fear and animosity.
WBraun

climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:06am PT
I saw video of thousands calibrating.

You don't know how to use the internet ...
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2015 - 10:09am PT
Thousands? an Army of technicians? China?!!!

OMG!
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:17am PT
Produce it Werner and shut us all up.

But you won't, because you can't.

But here comes the tired reply of how stupid everyone is but you.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:17am PT
Trump had this plaque put up on the shores of one of his golf courses commemorating a crossing where so many soldiers were killed during the civil war that the river turned red with their blood.



Not one soldier was ever recorded as ever having been killed there.
WBraun

climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:22am PT
survival -- "Produce it Werner and shut us all up."
You've been 100% 0wned. (Calibrating)

And shows you're nothing but a knee jerk over reactor and completely poor reading comprehension.

Look at climbski2's post

He reads and thinks unlike you ....
WBraun

climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:24am PT
Next one

I saw video of thousands celebrating.

You don't know how to use the internet ...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:25am PT
* TRUMP AMPLIFIES THREAT AGAINST GOP: With GOP Super PACs planning new campaigns to stop Trump, U.S. News and World Report notes that Trump and his senior adviser have been amplifying the suggested threat to run as a third party candidate if the GOP treats him “unfairly”:

Michael Cohen, a senior Trump adviser, told CNN that political action committees criticizing Trump are making a “bad, bad decision” if they are joining forces to stop the billionaire real-estate tycoon from winning the GOP nomination. “Donald Trump wants to be treated fairly,” Cohen said Tuesday. “He will demand that the GOP treat him fairly.”

Trump signed a pledge not to run an independent candidacy, provided the GOP treats him fairly. The beauty of this is that Trump decides what getting treated “fairly” means. If he decides that rival campaigns and Super PACs attacking him constitutes “unfair” treatment, well, tough!
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:26am PT
* CONSERVATIVES FLOAT THE F-WORD ABOUT TRUMP: CNN reports that even some conservatives are beginning to suggest that Trump’s declared support for a Muslim registry crosses over into “fascism.” This, from influential Iowa radio host Steve Deace, is notable:

“If Obama proposed the same religion registry as Trump every conservative in the country would call it what it is — creeping fascism.”

Actually, conservatives have called Obama a lawless tyrant for all kinds of things that fall well short of a Muslim registry, but yes, that’s probably true.
Norton

Social climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:26am PT
Sparky

Trad climber
vagabond movin on
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:26am PT
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/us/politics/in-renovation-of-golf-club-donald-trump-also-dressed-up-history.html
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:27am PT
I saw a video of thousands caliphating!
dirtbag

climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:32am PT
Ken, I've heard those same third party threats. That would be the Party's worst nightmare, and even if he never goes trough with it (which he probably won't), he can use that threat to extract lots of concessions.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:33am PT
You don't want to know what I've seen thousands of people doing on the Internet that ends in "ing."
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 25, 2015 - 11:10am PT
The more I hear Trump speak, the more his appeal starts to resemble that of a populist dictator. His policy is "Put me in charge and I will lead you to the promised land." He doesn't really say how, and shows little regard for limited representative government.

Unsurprisingly, that appeal resonates with those who most mistrust those in power. The disdain for "politicians," meaning those who actaully compromise in order to govern with the broad consent of the governed, represents the same phenomenon. Increasingly, on both the left and right, we seem to have so little regard for the intelligence and desires of those with which we disagree that we want simply to steamroll the opposition. Thus the popularity of candidates like Trump and Sanders.

In Bernie's defense, though, his is a campaign of ideas and policy. Trump's is solely one of personality. The implications for our republic of the latter should frighten those who value the true "traditional American values."

John
Norton

Social climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 11:19am PT
I think JohnE is right ^^^

in addition, if anyone but Trump is the ultimate nominee look for Donald to break his
pledge and run as a third party, using the excuse of the RNC was mean to me

by doing so he splits the Republican vote and increases Hillary's already huge win

Donald has the ego and narcism of Ross Perot in spades to do it

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2015 - 11:26am PT
JEl Someone else noticed the same thing a few months ago about trump.


Trump, Americas first African president!

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 12:03pm PT
I think JohnE is right ^^^

in addition, if anyone but Trump is the ultimate nominee look for Donald to break his
pledge and run as a third party, using the excuse of the RNC was mean to me

by doing so he splits the Republican vote and increases Hillary's already huge win

Donald has the ego and narcism of Ross Perot in spades to do it


This is all conjecture.

Trump is on track to win the republican nomination.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 25, 2015 - 12:23pm PT
Still 2+ months till the primaries start then another month or more before the nominee is clear. That might as well be forever in this world of short news cycles.

Barring an arrest or other complete unforseable meltdown Hillary will clearly be the Democratic Party Nominee.

I still expect Jeb to have a strong showing once things get "real" He has by far the most money raised and the biggest republican machine behind him. Slow and steady wins the race.

Trump should be the death of the republicans chances for the white house as either the Nominee or if he doeas go 3rd party splitter like Perot intentionally did to Bush.

Then again..Hard to believe but...I must admit a bit of nervousness that he actually has a chance to be president.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 12:34pm PT
Money ain't enough.

In a fascinating analysis at the conservative magazine National Review, Lawrence Brinton, a pseudonym for a political operative who has supposedly "informally advised several 2016 campaigns," lays out a compelling case that establishment favorite Jeb Bush has "almost no chance" of winning the 2016 Republican nomination. Brinton bases his analysis on Bush's third-quarter fundraising numbers, which show that the cash for his campaign comes overwhelmingly from major donors — indicating a lack of support from grassroots voters who are not only necessary to build enthusiasm for a campaign, but who also in recent election cycles have become a financial force in their own right.

Brinton's analysis is damning. The ratio of Bush's big-donor and small-donor amounts is a wildly unbalanced 15:1, comparing unfavorably to Hillary Clinton (3:1), Marco Rubio (1.7:1), Ted Cruz (1:1.6), and Republican frontrunner Donald Trump (1:6.5). (As Brinton notes, Trump has not even been an active fund-raiser, and would likely be an attractive candidate to both major donors and small donors.) Bush even trails Mitt Romney at this stage of the 2008 election cycle, with the former private equity titan boasting a healthier 7:1 ratio. George W. Bush had a 12:1 ratio at this stage of the 2000 race, but Brinton argues that he was competitive in the small donor range and dominant in the middle donor range, whereas Jeb is very weak in both areas.

Based on historical patterns, Brinton concludes that "Jeb Bush cannot win." He adds, "No candidate has ever won the nomination with such a heavy reliance on big donors, even at a time when big-donor money made up a much larger percentage of total fundraising." Brinton says that the candidate in the best position to win is Cruz, and that Rubio, Carly Fiorina, and Trump are also in the mix.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 12:36pm PT
I doubt things will change much between now and January 1. Americans tune out politics in favor of holidays. That will leave one month for the race's dynamics to change.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Nov 25, 2015 - 01:06pm PT
I doubt things will change much between now and January 1. Americans tune out politics in favor of holidays. That will leave one month for the race's dynamics to change.


Not exactly true.... we tune out politics for Football....

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 25, 2015 - 01:40pm PT
The more I hear Trump speak, the more his appeal starts to resemble that of a populist dictator. His policy is "Put me in charge and I will lead you to the promised land." He doesn't really say how, and shows little regard for limited representative government.

While this is true, I cannot help but think that he is not actually serious about wanting the job. It feels like he made a bet with Hillary when she was at his wedding, that he could get in the middle of the Repubs with nothing but bluster, and have a meaningful shot at being nominated. I'll bet he has to have a certain number of delegates by some date to win the bet.

All that said, lightning might hit, and your caveats should be carefully considered.
John M

climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 02:18pm PT
I disagree Ken..

On yet another thread, Jesus said Trump doesn't want to win because in part he would be poorer. I disagree with that..


Trump is a megalomaniac. He doesn't just want money, he wants power. The Prez is still considered to be the most powerful man in the world. He thinks lesser mens hands are tied in the presidency, but his won't be, cause he's the Donald. Thats the classic definition of a megalomaniac. There are people who don't do business with him because they don't like him. At that level, money is no longer the issue. Power is. Once he is the prez, then those people will take his call. He wants to rub it in.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 25, 2015 - 06:39pm PT
Well, it's true I don't know the man. What you say may be entirely true, in which case one might want to be even more careful.

However, it is Carson who actually scares me. He is a religious "true believer", just as are the people in ISIS. He really believes that we are heading towards the "end times", and that the bringing of Jesus to earth is totally to be supported and facilitated. To that end, the great war that brings this about is a holy obligation.

I think he believes that God has anointed him to make it happen, and we are talking about giving this person the access to the nuclear arsenal.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Nov 25, 2015 - 06:43pm PT
Oh wonderful...A brain surgeon with a bible and the launch codes...
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 06:47pm PT
If you are talking Amageddon, it takes place on the plain of Megiddo or it doesn't fulfill scripture.

not Syria.

Nobody is going to nuke it. It's still farmland.


And there has to be a temple on mt. Zion.

Even then, we get a thousand years of pestilence and such.... Not much different than now.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 07:11pm PT
It is up to the voters to vet and make wise choices.

You mean the folks who elected GWB, aka the stupidest man on the planet?

Yeah, that'll work.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Nov 25, 2015 - 07:40pm PT
. . . And that Jesus dude at Best Buy has to grow his beard out some more.





Trump mocked and ridiculed a disabled New York Times reporter this week at a campaign rally. In 2001, the reporter, Serge Kovaleski, investigated rumors of New Jersey Muslims cheering the destruction of the WTC towers. He found no evidence of any such celebrating by New Jersey Muslims. In a recent interview, Kovaleski affirmed that Trump's claim of witnessing cheering hordes was false.

Trump, being Trump, responded by attacking the man, not the message. He said, "You've got to see this guy," and used an exaggerated voice and arm action as he pretended to be Kovaleski:

Uhh, I don't know what I said. I don't remember. I don't remember. Maybe that's what I said."

Trump used an absurd voice to mock the reporter, and waved his arms around awkwardly in front of himself, pantomiming the effects of Kovaleski's congenital condition, arthrogryposis, which affects the joints and limits motion of the arms.

The reporter was born with the condition. So, Trump is indicating that he disfavors, even hates, those with inferior genetics. He is apparently in favor of eugenics, and social engineering superior human specimens.

Trump has publicly disclosed, again, that he is a Nazi.



Drumpf was Trump's grandfather's name. He was a pimp, the owner of brothels.


Trump ist der Drumpfkopf




EDIT: I just checked the Wikipedia article, to confirm the spelling of Drumpf. Within the past few days, the article has been edited to now claim that the name Drumpf has been "erroneously" attributed to Trump's grandfather.

This is how fast facts and news can change in the Internet Age.


I'm sticking with the original story that Drumpf came to America from Germany, and only later anglicized his name to Trump. And that his grandson Donald is a f*#king Drumpfkopf.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 08:28pm PT

Nov 25, 2015 - 07:39pm PT
Lorenzo,

"Democracy fatal flaw: The vote of a fool has as much weight as the vote of the wise."

Moose

The founding fathers had the same thought. That's why the electoral college exists, and why senators were originally appointed by state legislatures.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 08:36pm PT
He's going to be our prez. Get use to the idea.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 25, 2015 - 08:42pm PT
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 09:04pm PT
The problem is who defines the "wise" vs the "fool." Recall we had that system once in this country wherein only land owners or only literate (who must also be white males) or only whatever persons could vote. Surly we don't want to go back there. Now, however, we have gone so far in the other extreme that we don't even want to require ID to vote. Now long dead people can vote (repeatedly,no less), illegals can vote - heck I think my dog can vote. You may well need to show ID to rent a movie but no so to vote. That's a no no. The joke around my house is the dog is going to vote and then for whichever candidate promises her the most free kitty food

Well, it was worse than that in the past. If you were a slave, your master got the equivalent of 3/5 of your vote, but you didn't get to vote. And his combined vote of him and his slaves had more weight in the electoral college than in a state Without slaves. It's why the Southern states had so much clout before the civil war.

Native Americans weren't even people until 1879.

Despite Article six, In Virginia, you had to belong to the Anglican Church to vote, or at least profess the Anglican faith in a "don't ask, don't tell" sort of way. ( the Supreme Court upheld this law, citing states rights) Jeffererson and Washington were deists, and it was a bit of a problem for them.

In Delaware, you had to be Christian and believe in an afterlife. In Maryland, you couldn't be Jewish ( or Black) look up the words to the Maryland State song.

Then a goofy amendment granted " one man, one vote" as a principle. It didn't say you had to be educated or literate. In this day, it really doesn't matter much. Nobody reads about their politics anyway. Dead people could always vote. That's what the Chicago machine and Tamany Hall were all about.

And the ID requirement would be a great idea if it were universally policed, but records show enforcement is mainly in poor and black districts. It's used as a tool to disenfranchise the poor.

In Oregon, you register with ID, then a ballot is sent to your listed address. You mail it in or take it to the voting district office, and the fact that you have the ballot has already been vetted. Very little chance for fraud or multiple votes. That is, in fact, what rich people now do in other states. Republicans get their constituents to use the absentee ballot system to avoid the chance of that last gate keeping on voter qualification.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 09:25pm PT
What you are missing is that if somebody challenges your ID your vote isn't thrown out on Election Day. You have time to do something about it, and in fact challenge the Accusers right of challenge.

It doesn't work to use it as a tool for disenfranchisement. Mass efforts at disenfranchisement are easily exposed.

The system also works in getting votes out. You don't have to take off work to vote, which is easy for the rich but not so easy for hourly employees.


Republicans hate it. There have in fact been republican challenges to the system, but since it was implemented, there have been nine verifiable fraud incidents despite thousands of challenges. They resulted in jail time, fines, and deportations when caught.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 09:41pm PT
Oh, OK, it protects the voter from having his ID challenged so that he can refute the challenge in a timely manner. Most states I have lived in issue picture IDs which look just like driver's licenses only they say that the document is not valid for driving. So if the voter presents this state issued ID with picture on it (and STILL is challenged), is there not some mechanism in place to hold the person frivolously challenging it accountable. Could not there be stiff penalties in place for anyone pulling that sh#t.

They "pulled that sh#t in Florida under Jeb Bush's watch.

Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 09:47pm PT
I am still not sure why there cannot be stiff penalties in place for persons who hire read exploit illegal aliens. If the person doing the hiring faced stiff penalties for the first offense and jail time for the second offense, would not there be more compliance. Why are we such wusses when it comes to this issue. If we truly do need persons to pick crops or make beds or whatever it is that supposedly Americans won't do, why can't we issue permits for persons to come over and do these jobs .....and pay them the minimum wage. If that means we pay more for veggies and hotel rooms, so be it. I'd rather not eat vegetables or sleep in beds which are born of someones exploitation but the way it stands now, there is little control over doing so. Greed, greed and more greed.

I'm totally with you. If we need these people, then they should be enfranchised into our system.

You have to remember that the Mexican immigration issue was invented by Americans during WWII to get farm workers. The Mexican government wanted to close the border to retain its work force. It shifted wealth to this country at the expense of Mexico.


We then tried to modify the system under the Eisenhower administration in the wonderfully aptly named Operation wetback. Look it up.
And now we use the system to keep workers poor and powerless, just as we have done with blacks, Irish, Italians, etc. when they were poor and powerless.

The fix is easy. Fine and jail time for hiring illegal workers. Nobody in power likes that idea for some reason.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 09:51pm PT
Voting qualification are still run by the states, even if they have to nominally follow the constitution. The Feds only step in in the most heinous and public cases.

And the Supreme Court upheld the Florida vote, remember? They even sealed the ballot results.

Voter ID on election night doesn't work.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 09:58pm PT
Oh, sure, but in this case it is the republicans using it as a tool. There are fewer republicans and their base is shrinking. Challenges are easier than trying to appeal to a wider set of voters.


That's what the tea party no compromise thing is all about.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:17pm PT
I think you are confusing belief with rational thought.

But it goes beyond what they think, it's why the people manipulating them do it.

It's easy to get people worked up with fear and hate. You can shape them with fear especially.


So they want you to fear Mexicans, Arabs, non-fundamentalists, people willing to work for less than you will, etc.

They can Tailor the hate any way they want. You don't actually think Trump gives a damn about Mexicans one way or the other, do you? I'll bet he employs hundreds, documented or not. But he knows he can get a rise, and then people stop thinking.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:21pm PT
Lois is back!
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:25pm PT
Beliefs are based on faith and emotion. Faith is by definition unverifiable.

What are rational thoughts based on?
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:41pm PT
When Trump tell us he is going to build a 100 foot wall and make Mexico pay for it he's not doing anything positive. He knows he can't do it, ( either have a secure 2000 mile barrier or make them pay)

He's just trying to polarize. If he was being rational, he'd see the merit of undocumented workers. You don't have to pay them much, they have no power, and they greatly contribute to taxes and keep yours lower. They get Social security withheld and can never collect it.

It's cheaper than moving jobs overseas.
Bring more in!
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:45pm PT

I would hope reason and intellect, no? So, then, given a certain level of cognitive abilities, how does one ALSO support some of these totally irrational belief systems prevalent in various organized religion.

I'm pondering this also, but can you give me an example of an established religion based on rational thought?

Don't say Buddhism, there's all kinds of dichotomies there.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 10:56pm PT
Like I said. I don't think he gives a damn one way or the other. But he's getting blood pressure up to polarize people.
That what the hundred foot wall and cheering Arabs is about. There is no rationalism involved.

His projects have undocumented workers.

http://www.businessinsider.com/undocumented-immigrants-donald-trump-hotel-report-2015-7

I'm not saying he's even purposely hiring them, he just provides the climate and distances himself.

He shouldn't pretend he cares at all, if he was behaving rationally. He thinks he's from an exempt ruling class.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 11:02pm PT
don't know, Lorenzo. I can't find one. Moreover, I don't know that I need to find one, either. Right now, I am listening to this lecture series called "The meaning of life" put out by the Teaching Company which looks at a whole variety of both organized religion and various "great thinkers." I can't find anything therein which particularly resonates with me. I mean it is certainly interesting enough to listen to, for sure, but I have not found anything especially profound or inspiring or even that which I can particularly relate to.

Don't beat yourself up. There probably isn't one.

People are perfectly capable of being both rational and non-rational, so a brain surgeon can have beliefs based on faith as well as scientific thought. There isn't much which connects them.

( but how much real science is in brain surgery? I see it as much craft and art.)

They even use the same tools I used in carpentry....just more refined versions.
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Nov 25, 2015 - 11:07pm PT
Now he's mocking people with disabilities! There's no bottom to how low he will go. He's making Nixon look good!
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 25, 2015 - 11:31pm PT
First time I ever thought Rush had anything real to say.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 26, 2015 - 07:41am PT
Yep.

She wouldn't talk to Russia? Seriously?
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 26, 2015 - 08:41am PT
Speaking of forgien policy, who does look strong? Here, Clinton certainly has the most experience.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 26, 2015 - 10:05am PT
This is not the first time Trump has been accused of mocking a person’s disability or physical appearance. In a July interview with NBC news, Trump lashed out at columnists Jonah Goldberg and Charles Krauthammer after the latter called the candidate a "rodeo clown."

I get called by a guy that can’t buy a pair of pants, I get called names?” Trump said at the time.

Critics speculated that Trump had intentionally mocked Krauthammer, who is paralyzed from the waist down
Norton

Social climber
Nov 26, 2015 - 11:23am PT
dirtbag

climber
Nov 26, 2015 - 01:39pm PT
True dat, Lois.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 26, 2015 - 03:26pm PT
No, you're not dead Lois.
overwatch

climber
Nov 26, 2015 - 04:02pm PT
Sure "sounds" like her.
philo

climber
Nov 27, 2015 - 07:24am PT
Donald Trump’s Police State

NOVEMBER 27, 2015

Timothy Egan
In “The Plot Against America,” the novelist Philip Roth imagines an alternative history at the dawn of World War II. Charles A. Lindbergh, aviator hero and crypto-fascist, defeats Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1940. Rather than go to war against Nazi Germany, he foments an atmosphere of hatred directed at Jews in the United States.

President Lindbergh’s rule is based on fear. He can violate the Constitution because enough Americans do not mind limiting the freedom of a suspect minority in the name of security.

Of course, it could never happen here. It’s a novel, silly boy — one of late-stage Roth’s better efforts. Made-up stuff. That’s what I’ve always thought. But over the last three months, in listening to plans of the Republican presidential front-runner and the views of his increasingly thuggish followers, I’m starting to have some dark fears should Donald Trump become president.

Take him at his word — albeit, a worthless thing given his propensity for telling outright lies and not backing down when called on them — Donald Trump’s reign would be a police state. He has now outlined a series of measures that would make the United States an authoritarian nightmare. Trump is no longer entertaining, or diversionary. He’s a billionaire brute, his bluster getting more ominous by the day.

“We’re going to have to do things that we never did before,” he said in the demagogic spiral following the Paris attacks. “And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule.”

What’s he talking about? In his words, he wants to implement “the unthinkable.”

Let’s start with his most far-reaching crush of cruelty, the Trump promise to create a huge “deportation force” to storm into homes, churches, schools and businesses and round up all 11 million undocumented immigrants. In doing so, he would need an army of agents to go door-to-door, breaking up families, and snagging many citizens caught up the in the mass sweeps.

As his jackbooted minions grab legal Americans (the children born in this country, citizens per the 14th amendment) and separate them from their illegal parents, he will place them — where? In foster homes? In detention centers? In concentration camps?

He says it will take only two years for him to disrupt nearly every community in the United States, destroying thousands of businesses in the process. “I’m going to remove them so fast your head would spin.”

Let’s do the math: Trump promises to arrest, sort, and deport 11 million people — a number more than 25 percent higher than the entire population of New York City. This from the nominal leader of a party that doesn’t think government can do anything well. In practice, (imagine the viral videos) the new operation would prompt a million Hispanic Anne Franks — people hiding in the attics and basements of Donald Trump’s America.

To go with his Deportation Force, Trump would send another wave of federal authorities out to identify, track and monitor Muslims in America. All of them? He hasn’t said. He’s building his police state on the fly. But in just a few days he went from saying he would “strongly consider” closing houses of worship (mosques), to saying he would have “absolutely no choice” but to shut them down. As for tracking Muslims through some kind a database, he’s been squishy, but also unequivocal, saying, “I would certainly implement that.”

For those fleeing war and religious persecution from the butchers of the Islamic State, sorry if you’re Syrian — Trump would deport those already vetted refugees, mostly women and young children.

To further clamp down in this land of the formerly free, Trump could borrow a few police state ideas from his fellow Republican presidential candidates. Mike Huckabee has suggested using federal agents to invade doctors’ offices and homes, physically preventing women from ending a pregnancy.

Ben Carson has said would consider unleashing a new force in academia, using the Department of Education to root out and punish schools foisting “political correctness” on young minds.

But if all the fragile college students clamoring for trigger warnings want something to send them straight to their padded safety rooms, they should attend a Trump public event.

These rallies are scary spectacles of rabid brown shirts in Dockers. His followers cheer while others pummel protesters, or spit on them. A few days ago in Alabama, a black protester was punched and kicked by his supporters. Trump suggested the man had it coming.

Like any good authoritarian — Soviet or banana republic — Trump concocts plots and dark doings to scare the quivering masses. And no one on the public stage is better at the Big Lie this year than Trump. PolitiFact found that 75 percent of his so-called factual statements are “mostly or entirely false.” The other 25 percent were “half true” or “mostly true.” His score in the flat-out “true” column was zero.

But that doesn’t stop him. The more lies he tells, the more popular he is with a large part of the Republican base that lives in a world of made-up horror and blunt force solutions.

So, hordes of Mexicans continue to rush into the United States, he says, when in fact more people are now returning to Mexico than are coming in. Syrian refugees are “pouring into the country” when barely 2,000 have been admitted. And Trump continues to say “I saw” thousands and thousands of Muslims in New Jersey cheering the collapse of the twin towers on 9/11, when no such thing has ever been documented. The goal is to get you to hate them — Mexicans, Muslims, the object of all your fears.

As we enter the holidays, there is one more Trump vow to consider. “If I become president, we’re all going to be saying Merry Christmas again, that I can tell you.” With Trump, the seasonal salutation may be mandatory, and creepy.
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Nov 27, 2015 - 08:37am PT
Reallyyyy? in 7 days?
(i did not check the 304 other posts,)

but my wife found this Funny





At post#60 W Braun, said that the baiters, will bait
and can be counted on to show up to razz each other,
(though, he said so in his own words.)
and then. . .
as a Finale, thats a climbing area in Italy.... [Click to View YouTube Video]not making sense just saying , look all around the climbing world before this thread. . . .
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 27, 2015 - 09:08am PT
Refugees?

ISIS?

Police Brutality?

LGBT Problems?



[Click to View YouTube Video]
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Nov 27, 2015 - 09:31am PT
How can he be a great candidate if you're the only one who thinks so?
philo

climber
Nov 27, 2015 - 09:32am PT
If the choice were to come down to a bloviating xenophobe like tRump and a stable and reasoned Democratic Socialist like Sanders it is my belief that Bernie would easily win in the biggest landslide in US history and could proceed with the strongest mandate to make real substantive change to SOP.

Feel the BERN!
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 27, 2015 - 09:36am PT
Not enough racist in the country to elect Trump. Hillary would win in a landslide.
He's hinting at a 3rd party run...let him.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 27, 2015 - 09:37am PT
Saw this bumper sticker yesterday.

Norton

Social climber
Nov 27, 2015 - 09:40am PT

Ragetta = LEB, aka Lois the Greatest Internet Troll in History


take a hike Lois, Chris and RJ banned your past 5 usernames

what does it take for you to finally get the message they don't want you here....
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Nov 27, 2015 - 09:40am PT
Nate Silver gives Clownstick somewhere above a 0% chance and below 20% chance of the nomination. (thanks for pointing me in that direction, crankster)

It's almost comical that the republicans can't figure out why he's in the lead. It's obvious. Their news network Faux breeds anger into the base. Their right-wing wacko talk show radio idiots breeds anger into the base. Their "leaders" breed anger into their base. So of course their base is going to support the most racist, angry, xenophobic one of the bunch. He's speaking their language - anger, fear, racism.

But as Mr. Silver points out 80% of likely republican voters are still undecided. So what if the most angry and racist of the bunch are decided and most stand behind Clownstick. Truth is most of this nation and most of this planet is not like that. They are out early supporting him. But I seriously doubt the list of angry bigoted xenophobes is going to grow to the point he gets the nomination.

It is funny watching the core republicans try to figure out what to do about this guy. They f*#king built their base to like everything he says. And now they chomp on that.
philo

climber
Nov 27, 2015 - 09:42am PT
^^^ right on Nature.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Nov 27, 2015 - 09:47am PT
Raggeta,

You don't have Lois's (LEB) writing style at all. Even if I don't agree with you, your posts are short and to the point.

Welcome aboard. And, remember, the clowns on this site are just that. Clowns...
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Nov 27, 2015 - 09:47am PT
Excellent observation nature. Pretty spot on, from what I can tell.
Ay Aye

Social climber
MIT, Cambridge, Massachusetts
Nov 27, 2015 - 09:59am PT
Probably its already been said; dive into the divided, divide more and conquer. That would appear to be Trump's tactic. He's just being himself...toxic.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Nov 27, 2015 - 10:34am PT
Aya was listening to Faux radio (for a change of pace) while driving. She often accuses me of being angry. But I'm not angry. I'm pissed and sometimes quickly irritated. But I found myself getting angry while listening to Faux. It took her awhile to figure out while she was suddenly feeling angry all the time.

I had to remind myself to 'let it go - this is the distorted reality that comes out of this network 24/7/365'. The sad reflection I take away from it is that the right is angry. Just plane angry. They get fed it and appears to displace the sense of reality and fact with anger. Sure, the issues and policies people are angry about have truth - often a good amount. But at least on the left we get to release it through laughing. Their are no right-winged comedians that have any traction in the political realm. Why is it the Colbert, Stewart, Noah, etc. etc. are so funny and successful? Well, one thing is true about comedy - it isn't funny if it isn't true.

It must just suck to support a political party that leaves you angry all the time.
philo

climber
Nov 27, 2015 - 10:47am PT
I grew up knowing that AM referred to Amplitude Modulation.
But now I think it stands for Anger Motivation.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Nov 27, 2015 - 01:36pm PT
Unfortunately, I think you're right about this. I'm an atheist so I don't relate to the religious faction of the republican party, but I still cling to hope that there is a "fiscal conservative" who can weed through the chaff and reign in spending and stop the debt escalation. I know this is an ideal and won't ever happen in today's republican party. I also know it didn't happen with Obama nor is it likely to happen with the Hildabeast or Bernie.

The repug party continues to shoot themselves in the foot with their adherence to the christian conservative faction. It's pitiful.
The Democrats are just as idiotic. Pick your poison.


Agree 100%
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Nov 27, 2015 - 02:19pm PT
The Democrats are just as idiotic. Pick your poison

On some things it might not make much difference who is in the Whitehouse. But some things would be different. The country will do far more to combat climate change with a Dem.

But the biggest might be the Supreme Court. I don't see Ginsburg making it four more years. If she is replaced with a Democratic president in office, things won't change much. If a Rep prez replaces her. That would be huge. Instead of Kennedy being the swing vote, it might be Roberts.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 27, 2015 - 02:31pm PT
There is o indication what kind of Supreme the Donald would appoint. Don't forget he was a Dem once.

He could appoint his sister, who is a third circuit judge. He got pissed at a republican senator during her confirmation questioning.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2015 - 02:31pm PT
There are bigger evils out there. Toss up.

Of course there are.. But none of them have any chance of being POTUS.

It's worth remembering that the POTUS is always the most dangerous person on earth at least potentially. I'm no fan of choosing one that not only claims but brags of his disrespect for minorities and the constitution.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Nov 27, 2015 - 07:21pm PT
Fiscal conservative....let's see, the US is doing better than every other industrialized country. The dollar may very well be on par with the euro in the near future but repugs still rant and rave that Obama hasn't done a good job.
The prevailing and persistent myth is that repugs bo a better job than democrats when it comes to security and the economy.
Feel free to look at the history and then do the math.....it simply isn't true. In fact, there is much more evidence for the opposite.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2015 - 07:49pm PT
Last POTUS to balance a budget...


Had a name....

Clinton
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 27, 2015 - 08:08pm PT
No, you'll get a better, female, version.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2015 - 08:15pm PT
you get 2fer1
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2015 - 08:29pm PT
The only exception was the last year of Clinton

But then again

WTF is money? Seriously... try to explain money at the level of international finance..

Only explanation I've seen that makes any sense...

money is whatever the US government says it is.

My guess is that in 40ish years it will be whatever China says it is.

So what?...If the USA is smart it will begin positioning itself to to take advantage of being the second or third most powerful nation on earth...lot of advantages to being rich and overlooked

Just ask Canada how good that can be.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 27, 2015 - 08:50pm PT
Oh, you have insight into their marriage, huh? How so?
Alas, this is a Trump thread.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 27, 2015 - 08:50pm PT
uhh...what does this have to do with Trump being the closest thing to a fascist America has ever considered electing?
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Nov 27, 2015 - 10:13pm PT
If (the GOP) found a highly electable candidate who was desirable in every way but was also an avowed atheist or agnostic - or even a secular humanist - they would outright reject him (or her).


That would be the GOP's natural action, because:

 The GOP is exclusive, not inclusive.
 The GOP is elite, not egalitarian.
 The GOP is xenophobic, not empathetic.
 The GOP is intolerant, not tolerant.
 The GOP is rapacious, not altruistic.



dirtbag

climber
Nov 28, 2015 - 07:00am PT
I.e., Lois.

Come out of the closet!
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Nov 28, 2015 - 01:10pm PT
There is o indication what kind of Supreme the Donald would appoint.

Well yeah. There is 0 indication of what the Chump would do in office outside of it being really terrific and having the rest of the world bow at our feet because: Chump.
philo

climber
Nov 28, 2015 - 01:29pm PT
Making fun of the handicapped and disabled.
tRump is such a crASS act!
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 28, 2015 - 02:13pm PT
We've been here a few times before in our history.

Hell, we just elected one talent-less demigod twice.

Trump is a modern day Andrew Jackson.

And that's not a good thing!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 28, 2015 - 03:57pm PT
TGT posted
Trump is a modern day Andrew Jackson.

And that's not a good thing!

Thanks for making it clear that you do not look favorably on genocidal megalomaniacs.
rincon

climber
Coarsegold
Nov 28, 2015 - 04:08pm PT
I had the feeling it was nonsense...

But you posted it anyway.....

I hate when people do that.

Seems to be a tactic of the right wing mostly.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Nov 28, 2015 - 04:09pm PT
It is true
and we all know the he thought that quote
and is using it to his advantage




Hell, we just elected one talent-less demigod twice.
Yes TGT, the Reagan and Bush debacle, the worst thing to ever happen to this Country
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 28, 2015 - 04:35pm PT
TGT posted
Trump is a modern day Andrew Jackson.

And that's not a good thing!

Thanks for making it clear that you do not look favorably on genocidal megalomaniacs.

Hey ole Andy was the founder of your party.

Show a little respect there.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Nov 28, 2015 - 06:48pm PT
John Wilkes Booth, conservative
Supported Slavery.

Booth supported the Confederacy in the American Civil War and hoped killing Abraham Lincoln would prevent freed slaves getting the vote, because in the mind of a conservative, nothing is worse than giving minorities civil rights.

Just a typical right winger willing to kill to stop progress and justice for all.

Lincoln was a liberal, the conservatives wanted to stop equal rights.
He fought the conservatives. Fact, look it up.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 28, 2015 - 06:53pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 28, 2015 - 09:26pm PT
From the Miami Herald. http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article46766275.html

Even by his standards, it was an astounding performance.

Over the course of just two days last weekend, Donald Trump spewed bigotry, venom and absurdity like a sewer pipe, spewed it with such utter disregard for decency and factuality that it was difficult to know what to criticize first.

Shall we condemn him for retweeting a racist graphic on Sunday filled with wildly inaccurate statistics from a non-existent source (“Whites killed by blacks — 81 percent”)?

Or shall we hammer him for tacitly encouraging violence when an African-American protester was beaten up at a Trump rally in Birmingham on Saturday? “Maybe he should have been roughed up,” Trump told Fox “News.”

Shall we blast him for telling ABC on Sunday that he would bring back the thoroughly discredited practice of waterboarding — i.e., torturing — suspected terrorists?

Or shall we lambaste him for claiming — falsely — at the Birmingham rally that “thousands and thousands” of people in Jersey City, N.J. applauded the Sept. 11 attacks and reiterating it the next day, telling ABC that “a heavy Arab population . . . were cheering.”

Trump is a whack-a-mole of the asinine and the repugnant. Or, as a person dubbed “snarkin pie” noted on Twitter: “Basically, Trump is what would happen if the comments section became a human and ran for president.”

Not that that hurts his bid for the GOP nomination. A Washington Post/CNN poll finds Trump with a double-digit lead (32 percent to 22 percent) on his nearest rival, Ben Carson, who is his equal in nonsense, though not in volume. Meantime, establishment candidate Jeb Bush is on life support, mired in single digits.

And the party is panicking. In September, Bobby Jindal called Trump “a madman.” Two weeks ago came reports of an attempt to lure Mitt Romney into the race. Candidate Jim Gilmore and advisers to candidates Bush and Marco Rubio have dubbed Trump a fascist. Trump, complains the dwindling coven of grownups on the right, is doing serious damage to the Republican “brand.”

Which he is. But it is difficult to feel sorry for the GOP. After all, it has brought this upon itself.

Keeping the customer satisfied, giving the people what they want, is the fundament of sound business. More effectively than anyone in recent memory, Trump has transferred that principle to politics. Problem is, it turns out that what a large portion of the Republican faithful wants is racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia, the validation of unrealistic fears and the promise of quick fixes to complex problems.

That’s hardly shocking. This is what the party establishment has trained them to want, what it has fed them for years. But it has done so in measured tones and coded language that preserved the fiction of deniability. Trump’s innovation is his increasingly-apparent lack of interest in deniability. Like other great demagogues — George Wallace, Joe McCarthy, Huey Long, Charles Coughlin — his appeal has been in the fact that he is blunt, unfiltered, anti-intellectual, full-throated and unapologetic. And one in three Republicans are eating it up like candy.

Mind you, this is after the so-called 2013 “autopsy” wherein the GOP cautioned itself to turn from its angry, monoracial appeal. Two years later, it doubles down on that appeal instead.

And though candidate Trump would be a disaster for the Republicans, he would also be one for the nation, effectively rendering ours a one-party system. But maybe that’s the wake-up call some of us require to end this dangerous flirtation with extremism.

“You got to give the people what they want,” says an old song. Truth is, sometimes it’s better if you don’t.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article46766275.html#storylink=cpy
philo

climber
Nov 28, 2015 - 09:32pm PT
Love this statement.




Trump is a whack-a-mole of the asinine and the repugnant. Or, as a person dubbed “snarkin pie” noted on Twitter: “Basically, Trump is what would happen if the comments section became a human and ran for president.”
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Nov 29, 2015 - 08:10am PT
. Problem is, it turns out that what a large portion of the Republican faithful wants is racism, xenophobia, Islamophobia, the validation of unrealistic fears and the promise of quick fixes to complex problems.

That’s hardly shocking. This is what the party establishment has trained them to want, what it has fed them for years. But it has done so in measured tones and coded language that preserved the fiction of deniability. Trump’s innovation is his increasingly-apparent lack of interest in deniability. Like other great demagogues — George Wallace, Joe McCarthy, Huey Long, Charles Coughlin — his appeal has been in the fact that he is blunt, unfiltered, anti-intellectual, full-throated and unapologetic. And one in three Republicans are eating it up like candy.
Norton

Social climber
Nov 29, 2015 - 08:18am PT
The American Taliban
Sierra Ledge Rat

Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
Nov 29, 2015 - 08:19am PT
I think Trump's rants are getting so outrageous that he is showing his true colors, i.e., that he is not really a serious contender for the presidency.

I think he is just a bored billionaire having his version of fun.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 29, 2015 - 08:51am PT
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 29, 2015 - 11:03am PT
It would certainly explain why an otherwise rational individual makes such inappropriate and self-defeating statements. He may well want to win on some level but not enough to reign it in. You may be onto something.

You got an example of something rational he's said?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 29, 2015 - 11:12am PT
I think he is just a bored billionaire having his version of fun.

I have wondered about whether that is the case, or something like it (a bet) for some time.

One thing which I think is true, he truly wants to deny the nomination to Bush, who he detests.

Trump's constant outrageous statements drown out ANY statements by Bush, who has spent millions on ads and gotten nothing for it. As time goes on and Bush remains mired, his chances drip-drip-drip away. If that is Trump's only real goal, he is making real progress.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Nov 29, 2015 - 01:39pm PT
What expense? He's trolled the media for freebies from Day 1.

You're giving the guy too much credit. He could not possibly have known there were that many crazy & angry white people around.

jstan

climber
Nov 29, 2015 - 01:59pm PT
No one remembers anything, so I can repeat an earlier post of mine.

Trump is brilliant. He looked at the trouble Romney had making his primary statements agree with
those made in the election. Trump has decided we, like the Romans, want only entertainment. By
regularly contradicting himself we no longer look for anything from him beyond entertainment.
Given that, we don't expect what he says to agree with anything. We take whichever statement with
which we most agree and run with it. Possibly, Trump is a modern day Nero.

Decades ago we converted news reports to "infotainment". Trump has invented "electainment".

philo

climber
Nov 29, 2015 - 02:02pm PT
Spot on Jstan
philo

climber
Nov 29, 2015 - 03:07pm PT
A Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you as well.
Norton

Social climber
Nov 29, 2015 - 03:09pm PT

what are you, 14?

what an idiot wind
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 29, 2015 - 03:09pm PT
Sometimes Werner says stuff that makes sense....
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 29, 2015 - 03:13pm PT
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 29, 2015 - 03:15pm PT
I didn't say this was one of those times ;)

Nero killed himself so his guards couldn't do it their way.

And Trump shows little of Nero's good side.

He let slip no opportunity for acts of generosity and mercy, or even for displaying his affability,” wrote the otherwise critical Suetonius in the 2nd century AD.

Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 29, 2015 - 03:29pm PT
The right wing Christians would not have approved. It was assisted suicide.

The method chosen for him by the Senate was getting beaten to death.
jstan

climber
Nov 29, 2015 - 03:38pm PT
The method chosen for him by the Senate was getting beaten to death.

Here, we participate on ST.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Nov 29, 2015 - 03:40pm PT
Sort of the same as Nero's sentence.
mouse from merced

Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
Nov 29, 2015 - 04:44pm PT
THIS JUST IN: Trump mocked by Seth Myers on SNL.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Nov 29, 2015 - 05:02pm PT
All hail the Trump
d-know

Trad climber
electric lady land
Nov 29, 2015 - 05:21pm PT
All hail pathetic old
cranky white guys.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Nov 29, 2015 - 05:46pm PT
radiated new apprentice wannabees
was a nice touch
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Dec 2, 2015 - 04:06pm PT
Changing my mind on this dude.

He is single handedly dismantling the tea party. No way they can keep up with him.
donini

Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
Dec 2, 2015 - 07:49pm PT
He thinks that the way to combat terrorists is to kill their families....even a guy named Adolph was more careful with his words.
zBrown

Ice climber
Dec 2, 2015 - 08:01pm PT
Is Trump buying ISIS oil to light the kerosene lamps in Ben Carson's hotels?
dirtbag

climber
Jan 17, 2016 - 12:14pm PT
Utter bullsh#t. He doesn't say that. Did you listen?

He said that a cell was reported celebrating, and that reports of these cells were "unconfirmed." He kept stressing "unconfirmed."

"A cell." Not thousands.

Trump is lying. He is playing with your fears of other people so people like you will support him. It's what fascists do.
John M

climber
Jan 17, 2016 - 12:25pm PT
http://johnokner.photoshelter.com

this you? Impressive if so.. I don't agree with you about bruce or about trump.. but welcome to the forum if thats you.
Lorenzo

Trad climber
Portland Oregon
Jan 17, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
here's another version of the incident Dan was talking about:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

And a story on them.

http://www.devvy.com/200301221627.html

Chasing down links ought to keep you folks busy the rest of the day.
John M

climber
Jan 17, 2016 - 12:48pm PT
yeah but there were 1000s of them. 1000s of them. No video, but 1000s.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jan 17, 2016 - 01:16pm PT
Should be said, on 9/11, cell phones weren't as prevalent as now, and the news cameras had much more compelling places to be than some dancing Muslims in New Jersey.
That said, I think he's crazy to go with it. But a lot of things are crazy and working out for him.
Norton

Social climber
Jan 17, 2016 - 01:24pm PT

they can't get to 270, period

there will not be a Republican President in our lifetime, providing the Dems don't do something really really stupid, like invade Iraq or something

and as California goes, so goes the Nation, eventually



,
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jan 17, 2016 - 01:42pm PT
Gee, looks like Trump really shot himself in the foot. Hard to see how any Republican could survive.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/looks-hell-donald-trump-unloads-180445354.html

T
his really dopey guy ... this dopey guy, Glenn Beck, he looks like hell. No, he's like a dope. And I've watched him cry on television all the time. He's doing very badly. His thing is falling apart. His company is falling apart," Trump said at a campaign event in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 17, 2016 - 01:50pm PT
No, Andrew Jackson got his hands dirty.

Trump--100% candy ass.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Jan 17, 2016 - 06:45pm PT
The classic, angry, white man stereotype-

I'm a white, high school drop out, blue collar, TRUE native son with revolutionary roots.

Digging ditches, demolition, cleaning job sites, along side Mexicans and "disadvantaged" white guys like myself- that was my start.

I took architectural plans home at night and learned how to read them, I asked the subcontractors questions, I worked late days and weekends, I bought books related to construction and studied on my own time (pre Internet).

I quickly moved up the ladder and while I continued to work hard and self educate, many of my white counterparts partied or were just plain fuking lazy. I'll take this time to thank the people along the way, that reinforced proper ethics and taught how to work hard.

The next step was to invest in tools, a good work truck, a home and to live within my means. Meanwhile; many of my white co-worker's investment strategy was fantasy football and shitty car loans. Instead of tools they bought dirt bikes, boats, RV's and OZ's of the chronic.

The doors continued to swing open because I wanted it and I was white. Meanwhile I watched many of my white co-workers backslide in life and become bitter at their own hand.

The irony is, that many those doors don't swing open for the minority co-workers I've had, yet they continue to work hard and bust down barriers. White workers that are "just getting along" know the playing field is becoming level and they're afraid.

Those doors are slowly opening and the plight of the under-educated white man that feels America owes him something will worsen. His base insticts will turn him to propaganda put out by the very people that have engineered his demise. He is the low hanging fruit that is ripe for a predatory, hollow, carpet bagger like Trump.

Dangerous times....








rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 17, 2016 - 07:03pm PT
His face will be chiseled in next to Lincoln on the newly named Mount Trumpmore.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jan 17, 2016 - 07:07pm PT


A world divided: Elites descend on Swiss Alps amid rising inequality


The Oxfam report suggests that global inequality has reached levels not seen in over a century.

Last year, the organisation has calculated, 62 individuals had the same wealth as 3.5 billion people, or the bottom half of humanity. The wealth of those 62 people has risen 44 percent, or more than half a trillion dollars, over the past five years, while the wealth of the bottom half has fallen by over a trillion.

"Far from trickling down, income and wealth are instead being sucked upwards at an alarming rate," the report says.

It points to a "global spider's web" of tax havens that ensures wealth stays out of reach of ordinary citizens and governments, citing a recent estimate that $7.6 trillion of individual wealth - more than the combined economies of Germany and the UK - is currently held offshore.


http://www.reuters.com/article/davos-meeting-divisions-idUSL8N151092
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 17, 2016 - 07:46pm PT
The Oxfam report suggests that global inequality has reached levels not seen in over a century

By all means, we should vote harder. I bet if we can get more government control and even more restrictions of the free market and free peoples we might see inequality reach levels never seen in all of history!

Come on people. Vote Harder!

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 17, 2016 - 07:49pm PT
you havnt learned that supposed"free markets" (making me puke stupid con-man term) are what led to the last huge income inequality of the robber baron years.

Stop drinking the neo-con coolaid. The republicans used to know what conservatism was.. they don't have a clue anymore.

It's gotten to the point that the second I see the term "free market" in a conversation I usually just go the other way since it's never a conversation about facts or real things.

Yes Trump is an evil piece of sh#t.

A sad commentary on how far the Grand old party has fallen. It's sad because we need Both parties to be competent. We need good people in both parties dedicated to different philosophies of governance with different ideas but mostly committed to the good of the nation. We don't have that anymore.
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jan 17, 2016 - 07:58pm PT

The classic, angry, white man stereotype-

I'm a white, high school drop out, blue collar, TRUE native son with revolutionary roots.

Digging ditches, demolition, cleaning job sites, along side Mexicans and "disadvantaged" white guys like myself- that was my start.

I took architectural plans home at night and learned how to read them, I asked the subcontractors questions, I worked late days and weekends, I bought books related to construction and studied on my own time (pre Internet).

I quickly moved up the ladder and while I continued to work hard and self educate, many of my white counterparts partied or were just plain fuking lazy. I'll take this time to thank the people along the way, that reinforced proper ethics and taught how to work hard.

The next step was to invest in tools, a good work truck, a home and to live within my means. Meanwhile; many of my white co-worker's investment strategy was fantasy football and shitty car loans. Instead of tools they bought dirt bikes, boats, RV's and OZ's of the chronic.

The doors continued to swing open because I wanted it and I was white. Meanwhile I watched many of my white co-workers backslide in life and become bitter at their own hand.

The irony is, that many those doors don't swing open for the minority co-workers I've had, yet they continue to work hard and bust down barriers. White workers that are "just getting along" know the playing field is becoming level and they're afraid.

Those doors are slowly opening and the plight of the under-educated white man that feels America owes him something will worsen. His base insticts will turn him to propaganda put out by the very people that have engineered his demise. He is the low hanging fruit that is ripe for a predatory, hollow, carpet bagger like Trump.

Dangerous times....


Well said
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jan 17, 2016 - 10:03pm PT
^
+ 1

climb ski 2: What an appropriate title, although shite may object to the comparison.
JoanaBanana

Boulder climber
Sydney
Jan 18, 2016 - 01:37am PT
I sort of concur with the sentiment on here, although im not a US citizen so I don't know if it's my place to have a view on the matter. But one thing is for sure, and that's that the world may not be a safer place with him in charge with regards to world politics. This is the view that many non Americans have. All to their own I guess.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 18, 2016 - 05:26am PT
A sad commentary on how far the Grand old party has fallen. It's sad because we need Both parties to be competent. We need good people in both parties dedicated to different philosophies of governance with different ideas but mostly committed to the good of the nation. We don't have that anymore.

That's hilarious. So you are still under the misconception that there is a lick of difference between the Rep and Dem?

Republicans are like the Remington 870. Still living off a reputation they earned several decades ago while the modern version is just like its Russian counterparts. Complete crap.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jan 18, 2016 - 05:58am PT
People that think Trumps only support comes from angry white guys, are in for a nasty surprise.

The good news is, Bernie is improving as the campaign grinds on.
jonnyrig

climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 06:32am PT
Watched the Dem debate last night. Can't stand Billary. Strikes me as a conceited, lying bitch. I know, harsh.
Don't care for Trump, though I do think he pretty accurately represents the far right, in MANY aspects. Though he's pretty independent, his ideology is wacked.
Go Bernie. Needs to be a little more dynamic, though. Step back a bit from the pushing financial reform, and address the questions directly.
































































We're screwed.
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, California
Jan 18, 2016 - 06:44am PT
Wondering if I'll live to see the day when politics and world affairs take a turn for the better, when climate change is beginning to be reversed, etcetera...feels like driving an old car until you are sure one day the wheels are going to fall off.









...driving an old car, well that might be a step in the wrong direction.
jonnyrig

climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 07:40am PT
http://www.snopes.com/1998-trump-people-quote/


By October 1999, Trump had become more serious about dipping his toes in political waters. Announcing on CNN's Larry King Live that he was forming an exploratory committee with the intention of running for president, Trump said:

I'm a registered Republican. I'm a pretty conservative guy. I'm somewhat liberal on social issues, especially health care, et cetera, but I'd be leaving another party, and I've been close to that party ... I think that nobody is really hitting it right. The Democrats are too far left. I mean, Bill Bradley, this is seriously left; he's trying to come a little more center, but he's seriously left. The Republicans are too far right. And I don't think anybody's hitting the chord, not the chord that I want hear, and not the chord that other people want to hear, and I've seen it.

At around the same time in October 1998, Trump ran through his then-current political positions with NBC's Stone Phillips:

Mr. TRUMP: I'd like to see major tax cuts.

PHILLIPS: Along the line, for what the Republicans are talking about —eight hundred billion or so? Would you go that far?

Mr. TRUMP: Along the lines of that number, yes, approximately at that number, and could even be more.

PHILLIPS: Health care?

Mr. TRUMP: [I'm] liberal on health care, we have to take care of people that are sick.

PHILLIPS: Universal health coverage?

Mr. TRUMP: I like universal, we have to take care, there's nothing else. What's the country all about if we're not going to take care of our sick?

PHILLIPS: Abortion?

Mr. TRUMP: I hate the concept of abortion. I hate anything about abortion, and yet, I'm totally for choice. I think you have no alternative.

PHILLIPS: Gun control? Where do you stand on that?

Mr. TRUMP: If you could tell me that the bad guys, the criminals, wouldn't have guns, I'd be a hundred percent for gun control. But the fact is, if you have gun control, the only people that are going to obey the laws, are going to be the good guys. So the bad guys are going to have the guns, the good guys aren't going to have the guns, and what good does that do us? So, I'm not in favor of it.


Is this really the same guy Repubs are supporting? HOW CAN THAT BE?
Either his ideology has completely changed, or their blind to his liberal ways. Or, he's the same kind of wishy-washy flip-flopper they just love to skewer...
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 18, 2016 - 08:00am PT
A sad commentary on how far the Grand old party has fallen. It's sad because we need Both parties to be competent. We need good people in both parties dedicated to different philosophies of governance with different ideas but mostly committed to the good of the nation. We don't have that anymore.


best part of this sentence:

We need good people in both parties dedicated to different philosophies of governance with different ideas but mostly committed to the good of the nation. We don't have that anymore.

8years of this stranger in the white house is the result of non working togetherness! I'm glad i didn't vote for Obama.. although the CHANGE never happened..


pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 18, 2016 - 08:15am PT

Donald Trump

I've met a lot of people in life and I have found it best to form opinions about them by actually meeting them in person. In 2009 I agreed to do that tv show Celebrity Apprentice on NBC. This meant I had to move to NYC for 6 weeks and spend every day with Donald Trump, Ivanka Trump, and Don Jr. I really had no expectations. I think I was actually the only "Celebrity" that had a semi normal manual labor job. I think this gave me a very different perspective on things. I actually think Donald Trump had no idea who I was or what I actually did for a living. Over the next month I was able to observe him and his kids in their day to day routine. What I saw was a person that treated everyone with respect. Even the (Hispanic) guys in the mail room. He had coffee from the coffee machine and BS'd with them every single morning. Trash men and cops would stop him on the street and he would stop whatever he was doing and spend a little bit of time with every one of them. As the month went on I used my hard work and perseverance to gain respect of the Trumps and most everyone around me.
I made it all the way to the top 3 and when I was let go Donald Trump stood up and shook my hand and said " Great Job Jesse".
Now I know that a lot of you will think that is some dumb reality TV show, not real life...and especially Not the presidency. Trust me I know that is very true, but the majority of the Anti-Trumps are basing their opinion of him on sound bites from that very same Reality TV Show. I think you should look above what the TV Network put out there to boost ratings. Nobody wants to watch somebody be a nice guy, they want to see him say "Your FIRED!". What I personally observed is a man that is perfect suited to run this country. He is respectful to the little guy (which shows he worked hard to get where he is) and he is also tough as nails when he needs to be. The people he will appoint to key top positions will be top shelf, and you can bank if they don't perform? They will get the boot. Lastly the best quality I observed about Donald Trump is being a dad. This is by far his strongest quality. Ivanka is an super smart, driven woman. The shakes your hand firm and looks you in the eye when she talks to you. Donald Jr. Also has the same smarts and drive, but is also a pretty regular guy that has a "almost" restored 69' Camaro and loves to long range shoot ( don't let anyone know I told you that). The poise in these two shows a lot in their parents. I think we are lucky to have his kids as part of the deal.
So before you guys react to what I have written here. One thing you know about me is Good or bad I will always tell it like it is. This guy is the Real Deal, and will Make America Great Again.

Thanks for reading.
Flip Flop

climber
Earth Planet, Universe
Jan 18, 2016 - 08:30am PT
Endorsed by Jesse James. Thrice divorced criminal running a chop shop. Reality show ding-dong with heaps of legal drama, parental alienator, rehab junky with self proclaimed 'personal issues'.

I wouldn't trust him to recommend a burger joint.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 18, 2016 - 08:58am PT
If Trump wins, and doesn't make America Great again,
are you going to call him a Liar?

And hold investigations, and smear it all over the media.

That seems to be the right wing criteria now.

I can guarantee you that I won't be saying Trump made America Great Again,
Fascism doesn't appeal to me like it does to Jesse and Pyro
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jan 18, 2016 - 09:11am PT
That's hilarious. So you are still under the misconception that there is a lick of difference between the Rep and Dem?

Considering how up in arms the conservatives get every time President Obama smiles and how opposed they are to any increased freedom -socially or financially- for the more melanin-rich population, I'll have to disagree with that sentiment.

You may not be Lois, but I'll bet you didn't grow up too far away from her...
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 18, 2016 - 09:17am PT
Lois was a lot more informed about politics and reality
so she would never claim that the parties were the same

She would argue the wrong side of every issue, like any good Republican cult member, it was like she had a direct feed of the newest talking points into her brain while sleeping

you have to be really clueless and duped, or part of the ultra right wing Alex Jones types to claim that they are all the same.
You should hear some their rationalizations of "They are all the same!"
pure crazy talk

Some differences-
Science
Education
SS, Medicare
Food Stamps, Welfare,
Tax rates
Federal Spending
loop holes
Money in politics
abortion
birth control
minorities,
immigration policies
LGBT rights
Climate Change
environmental Protections

The parties are deeply divided on these issues
plus a 1000 more


vvvv
Sorry rick
Blame falls on the responsible parties when it comes to reality
That's why we still have to blame Bush and the Republicans for this mess were in, you can't escape the damage done, we still blame Hitler don't we?

What the F has George Soros done that you have to mention him in every other post, you probably don't even know what's he's done, it just another empty dog whistle that you use to build some hillbilly hate with.
Lame


vvv
there are books exposing all the dirty money the Koch Brothers are spending to take YOU rights Away, but of course, you are unaware of the difference between Soros spending his money to raise his taxes to help this country vs. spending money to make more billions by bribing Republicans to fix the system in their favor, so they can pollute more, pay less in wages, be free from regulations and pay way less in taxes etc.
lame
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 18, 2016 - 09:23am PT
"If Trump wins and doesn't make america great again are you going to call him a liar".
No Craig, we'll just blame the dems and George Soros. LOL.

^^^^ about the same as the Koch bros
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 18, 2016 - 09:43am PT
Oh yeah. They are DEEPLY divided. The difference between being flushed down a porcelain toilet or a stainless steel one.

Both parties working to expand the government, transfer wealth and reduce individual freedom in the manner they see fit.

Yeah, that's soooo much different.



guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jan 18, 2016 - 09:45am PT
Good Post Pyro.....

Remember.. Keep to the DEAL.

Surfs Up...
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jan 18, 2016 - 09:52am PT
reduce individual freedom

Uh, yeah. Freedom to marry who you want come to mind at all? Next
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 18, 2016 - 10:56am PT
Fascism doesn't appeal to me like it does to Jesse and Pyro

Dr Fry what appeals to me is the Businessman professional which Trump does very well, so well that it's going to make the Liberals heads Blow-up!
feralfae

Boulder climber
in the midst of a metaphysical mystery
Jan 18, 2016 - 10:59am PT
There is a highly-charged emotional exchange on this thread.

But I though that all those in favor of disarming individuals would be happy to hear of registration of yet another minority group, based on history:

The Weimar gun control law of 1928 allowed police to deny firearms ownership to any “unreliable” person. The Nazis seized on this language, eventually making unauthorized ownership of guns and other weapons a very serious crime. As the Nazis were consolidating their power in the 1930s, there were two incidents where young male Jews, acting alone, assassinated Nazi leaders. In Paris, a young man shot and killed a German diplomat, and in Switzerland, the leader of the local Nazi party was also fatally shot. After each incident, the Nazis used the Ministry of Propaganda to demonize all Jews, and moved to restrict Jewish access to weapons. The Paris incident became the excuse for sparking the terrible “Kristallnacht” pogrom, where synagogues were set ablaze, Jewish stores were looted, and many Jewish citizens were beaten by brownshirted thugs.

On November 10, 1938, the Nazi Interior Department formally decreed that persons defined as Jews under the infamous Nuremberg Laws were prohibited from possessing any types of weapons. They declared that Jews possessing weapons would be subject to 20-year sentences in concentration camps. In the nations and territories invaded and occupied on Hitler’s orders, private gun ownership was punishable by death.
Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and “Enemies of the State” by Stephen P. Halbrook

(sarcasm)Let's see: first, the government here killed the native populations for owning firearms (Check Wounded Knee), then Blacks for being armed (check any southern state laws especially after WWI) and now, if they can register Muslims, who might not be as easily identified as Indians and Blacks, they could kill them, too, after passing a law against firearm ownership by yet another minority.

Gosh, and just think how far disarmament could go, driven by fear, when the government has a minority population whom the rest of us will not defend. Those in favor of universal disarmament might see a great leap forward for their cause. Wouldn't that be a good thing? (end sarcasm)

I see someone cited a passage from the Bill of Rights, but I think that same individual may be in favor of ignoring the Second Amendment, while holding up the First Amendment as a Light of justice.

Politicians, by their very nature that they get into politics, should not be elected to any office of public trust. A lottery might work better. The political systems of this nation have been entirely perverted, and yet people are easily distracted by the political theatre. I respectfully suggest that each caring individual find a way to help, with peace and kindness, those in need who are closest to them, perhaps in their own back yard, and stay aloof from the insanity of political teams scrambling on the field, being only slightly less entertaining that those other teams who fight over a football. We are thinking individuals capable of reasoning and of consulting our conscience. Why do we need to label anyone?
end of rant.

Go climb something.
Peace,
feralfae
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 18, 2016 - 11:10am PT
The lying, scheming, manipulating, sociopathic, blustering, moronic, failed Businessman professional that Trump does very well

he said he lies all the time to manipulate people

That's why you love him, just like Hitler, he's smart enough to know how persuade idiots by saying the very THINGS they WANT To Hear.
say those things, and they fall into your lap, and will become the brown shirts you need as thugs to do your dirty work.

he has been caught in more lies than Ted Bundy, and hasn't backed down on a single one after being proved wrong,
yet you guys worry about the 4 lies that Hillary regrets saying

That's a lack of perspective, and all driven by the a right wing misinformation smear campaign, you guys are just like a bunch of retarded children, they can say any complete BS and you guys will believe it without wquestion
dirtbag

climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 11:13am PT


And Hillary is a LYING sack of S#IT!




And Trump is a LYING sack of S#IT!



And Rubio is a LYING sack of S#IT!


And Cruz is a LYING sack of S#IT!


And Christie is a LYING sack of S#IT!







So?



(Clinton derangement syndrome)
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 18, 2016 - 11:17am PT
Craig the Dr Fry Trump didn't speak false about CHINA..
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 18, 2016 - 11:20am PT
he doesn't know sh#t about China
he would make a mess out of any diplomacy with any country

We don't own the F-ing planet
We have to respect other countries or become a hated empire that deserves death
jonnyrig

climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 11:21am PT
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-debate-161609344.html

British MPs are debating a petition calling for Donald Trump to be banned from entering the UK. The petition has so far been signed by 574,000 people. Signatories believe Trump should be barred on the grounds of hate speech, following his calls for a ban on all Muslims entering the U.S., and his claims that London has become “so radicalised” the city’s police force are “afraid for their own lives".
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jan 18, 2016 - 11:25am PT
The Obama Administration, has begun normalization processes, with two countries, with which we formerly had good relations, Iran and Cuba.

To do this, they had to walk back a policy of basing all of our international relations with other countries congruent with their policies on human rights. It's a huge pragmatic swing. Long overdue IMO FWIW.

In the debate last night, pragmatism was mentioned. Were the Democrats to implement a pragmatic policy on immigration, they would be more in sync with the American people. Simply applying the grossly overused "Facist" "Racist" "Nazi" labels to any immigration controls may fail to win them seats in Congress and may even cost them the Presidency.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 18, 2016 - 11:26am PT
CC
Got any proof of that
or is that just more BS that you guys like to repeat
just to show your lack of respect and knowledge
jonnyrig

climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 11:37am PT
or is that just more BS that you guys like to repeat
just to show your lack of respect and knowledge

Sounds like liefties on a gun thread.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 18, 2016 - 12:03pm PT
8years of this stranger in the white house is the result of non working togetherness! I'm glad i didn't vote for Obama.. although the CHANGE never happened..

Tell that to gay people, who can now marry.

Tell that to millions of Americans, who now have medical insurance

Tell that to all of us benefiting from cheap gas, while at the same time importing much less oil than in the past
zBrown

Ice climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 12:11pm PT
“I want to build up the military so nobody messes with us,” Trump said when asked what he would do first, if elected. “I would bring it (military levels) back to where it was at the height because we’re in such trouble.”

Which height?

Truman v. Trump

When is someone going to ask Trump about whether he will use nuclear weapons?





HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 12:18pm PT
Escopeta posted
Oh yeah. They are DEEPLY divided. The difference between being flushed down a porcelain toilet or a stainless steel one.

Both parties working to expand the government, transfer wealth and reduce individual freedom in the manner they see fit.

Yeah, that's soooo much different.

It requires an enormous amount of privilege to have this viewpoint.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Jan 18, 2016 - 02:06pm PT
Escopeda-

I agree with you in a broader sense but please flash back to Gore vs Bush.

Ralph Nader professed the exact same logic. There's a negligible difference between the two parties.

People that understood the math, begged Nader to drop out and endorse Gore.

He didn't- Gore lost Florida by about 500 votes, Nader received around 97,000 votes. Every mathematical scenario results in Gore as the President had Nader droped out.

As a result of the "Party Collusion" theory that Nader clung to and ran on, was:

The US was absolutely gutted and quartered; economicly, militarily, socially and global instability was in creased exponentially. The police state is an every day, part of our lives, out of necessity.

The Iraq war would not have happened under Gore-period. Gore's "Economic Lock Box" to maintain a surpluss for the eventual economic downturn was routinely made fun of in the press but is rarely mentioned these days.

Trump is more dangerous than Bush and there does exists a lesser of two evils.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 18, 2016 - 02:19pm PT
Ken M my supertopo administrator called me the other day.. he said don't respond to Ken M because he's out to say the opposite of everything pyro say's..

you forgot how great Obama made this economy..

ur logic is WEIRD Ken M!
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Jan 18, 2016 - 02:19pm PT
The Iraq war would not have happened under Gore-period.


It could be argued that 9/11 wouldn't have occurred under Gore, either.


Bin Laden and Al Qaeda said that their primary grievance with the U.S. was the American military presence in Saudi Arabia. Bush's father and Cheney, as Secretary of Defense in 1990, were the primary proponents for the military presence there. When Bush II and Cheney were fraudulently elected co-Presidents, all hell broke loose.

Had Gore been elected, it is possible that the absence of the Bush+Cheney administration would have resulted in less aggravation for the extremists.

John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jan 18, 2016 - 02:19pm PT
Any predictions on Congress? Bernie winning, would be essentially what we have now, an out of control Congress, counterweighted by a Democratic Pres.

But any of the Republicans win and retake both houses, you are looking at a sea change. Based on what happened before, a nightmare.

Here in nyc, Trump has been around a long time, when people hear the Rascist/Fascist/Nazi label, for his Muslims policies, not all believe it. People understand Trump is a bitnis man. When you mess up, you get fired. Immigrants, have messed up. Most of them get this now. They are fired.

The ironic thing, that no one either gets, or can say, is the brunt of Immigrant Islamic rage, and the Immigrant Latin Gangs too, is directed at Women, LGBTers, People of Colour. Key Democratic constituencies. Trump, will get an increasing volume of secret support from these groups. Continue to deny this and prepare to enjoy the nightmare.

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 18, 2016 - 02:21pm PT
Trump, will get an increasing volume of secret support from these groups. Continue to deny this and prepare to enjoy the nightmare.

LIBERALS HEADS ARE GOING TO EXPLODE!
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jan 18, 2016 - 02:33pm PT
pyro: you wouldn't recognize logic if it came wearing a neon sign and bit you on your ass.

Trump declared bankruptcy three times. Fact. I was corrected by someone who pointed it out that the correct number was four.

Your hero is the idol of every white power group in the U.S., and every word he utters drips with animosity to minorities, immigrant, and women.

He supports an aggressive foreign policy which will DEFINITELY cost U.S. lives, yet his "patriotism" somehow allowed him to seek repeated draft deferments during the Viet Nam war - a war that cost the lives of over 60,000 U.S. servicemen who were infinitely better citizens than he is.
Norton

Social climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 02:37pm PT
ny predictions on Congress?

sure

When Hillary wins the Presidency the down ticket effect combined with the high number of Senate seats the Republican have to defend puts the Senate back
in control, albeit narrowly, of the Democrats

the House will stay Republican for at least another 6 years due to the redistricting
job the Republican controlled state legislatures have done over the past 15 years

and so divided government continues, and nothing gets passed the benefits either the lower or middle classes while the very rich continue to get....much richer of course
due to very favorable tax policy and control of the means of production

bottom line, the Republicans cannot get to 270 Electoral Votes to be President, period
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 18, 2016 - 02:49pm PT
The election will hinge on turnout. Can any of you Progresso idiots imagine a large enthusiastic turnout for your old stinking bag of gas. Try to imagine if you were young again, would you be inspired by Hildabeast?
Trump is a populist with an exciting crossover message you've already heard a little of. Cruz is a first class orator and you can be sure he has the machine to turn out the base.

Please don't be whining when the rout is done.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Jan 18, 2016 - 02:52pm PT
The Iraq war would not have happened under Gore-period.

Not only did Al Gore lead the fight in Congress for regime change in Iraq, his main reason for doing so was Saddam's search for a nuclear weapon...

Al Gore (aka: Sex Poodle) was a war monger before he wasn't a war monger...

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 18, 2016 - 02:57pm PT
question for you norton - or anyone that wishes to take a stab at this:

the House will stay Republican for at least another 6 years due to the redistricting

what shifts it 6 years? Is it because of the redistricting people move to districts that represents their beliefs?


The thing is with Clownstick given the current field for the GOP where zero policy is discussed and hateful bigoted warmongering rhetoric reigns free there's no comparison to what it will look like for the POS once standing across from ANY of the Dems where truth, substance and policy is actually discussed.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 18, 2016 - 02:58pm PT
The only thing that most Trump supporters care about is having liberals heads explode

what kind of desire is that?
a sick and twisted one

They love nothing more than sticking it to the libs, like we are the enemy.

Little do they know that only thing left good in this country are liberal policies, they would rather shoot themselves in the head than face the facts that the Republicans screwed them every possible way.

Do they want interment camps as well?
Yes, Socialists go first
right Pyro

you know so little history
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:00pm PT
Stewart writes:

"Trump declared bankruptcy three times. Fact."



Who better to run a bankrupt country?

The National Debt is more than me and the rest of my Fellow Americans will make this year, plus whatever you make in Canada, all put together.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:06pm PT
WTF?
You want our President to say he won't pay the bills?
How is that going to work?
Just screw the debtors, F-em, right?
WHY?

You guys just never bother thinking, just repeat the stupidest things because they sound good coming out of someone's mouth

why not just raise taxes so we can pay off our debt, like any family would do with their house hold debt?
That's what the Dems want to do, the Repubs won't allow us to pay down the debt.

What you advocate is like not paying the mortgage on the house and moving out on to the street to save money.
You can't just stop paying for the very thing that keeps you alive, you have to make more money if you can't cut spending.

And the Republicans will never cut spending enough to pay down the debt because of their cronies in the military industrial complex and the income from taxes will never be high enough because of all the tax cuts for the rich and Corps, so hence we get the Republican $18 Trillion in debt that will never be paid down a cent as long as they are in control of congress.
Norton

Social climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:07pm PT
what shifts it 6 years? Is it because of the redistricting people move to districts that represents their beliefs?

no

demographics, the gradual dying off of the older white people who still vote Repub

in addition to the continuing and rapid growth of much better educated young people
of all races who vote overwhelmingly Democratic

in further review, six years is likely too optimistic, more likely 8 minimum

and at that point both houses of congress and the Presidency will be Democratic
and likely stay that way for quite a while unless the Dems do something really stupid
like invade another country based on lies or whatever

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:16pm PT
The election will hinge on turnout. Can any of you Progresso idiots imagine a large enthusiastic turnout for your old stinking bag of gas. Try to imagine if you were young again, would you be inspired by Hildabeast?
Trump is a populist with an exciting crossover message you've already heard a little of. Cruz is a first class orator and you can be sure he has the machine to turn out the base.

Women have waited a long time.

Blacks waited a long time, and they remember who helped them.

Jews know who ran the ovens.

You guys have done a great job of kicking hispanics.

A lot of white, educated men and women can see through the rhetoric.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:18pm PT


Trump, is as abusive to the Republicans, as he is the Democrats. In the end, I think there will be a lot of new faces on that side, no matter how it plays out.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:19pm PT
ok thanks Norton!

And yes, the other option I pondered was when the old, angry, racist white men die off.


But what keeps them from stealing away power in a different way? Law of Diminishing Return?

Overturn Citizens United, outlaw Gerrymandering, Term limits == Everything turns blue. You'd think at some point those with a little bit of an education that vote red would realize that if you have to cheat to win perhaps you are supporting the wrong team.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:22pm PT
rick sumner: Thoughtful analysis as always. Perhaps you are unaware that Adolph Hitler had an enormous populist appeal and used many of the same lunatic generalizations to further enhance his image.

Read craig fry's recent post with the photo & quote by Pastor Niemoller and try actually thinking for once in your life.
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:29pm PT
So if I have this right, some of you whiteys on here really believe that you got farther ahead due to your "white privilege" right?
If you recognize this, why don't you lead the way and give back some of the things you gained due to your white privilege?
If you're not willing to do that, please explain how you are any better than any other whitey, and how recognizing that you had "white privilege makes you a saint compared to others.
You don't do sh#t but complain and cry about how good you had/have it, but you won't walk the talk. You're no better than any other white person with supposed privileges, you just love to pretend you care by simply insulting the other side.
And I don't believe this white privilege BS either. Any Hispanic I ask can't give me the name of any white person or people who held them back, it's always "the system man". Well, the system is made up of all kinds of races now, so STFU and quit being a cry baby
Even those that really were treated like sh#t in the past due to real institutionalized racism didn't sit back and cry and act like victims. They said "F you", I will prove you wrong, and they did. Crying like a bunch of whiney babies would have gotten them nowhere.
I guess I'm brainwashed to think I live in a world where no one is going to stop me from accomplishing my dreams. But that is exactly the mentality you Libs feed to minorities. We can't get ahead unless we have your help right?
Take that mentality and shove it up your a*#, it is a fookin insult ,my son will not grow up thinking he is limited and can't get ahead because of how another human being thinks.
I love that the party with a old white woman and an old white man as their main presidential candidates is telling me about how they hate their white guilt and I should be a Lib.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:34pm PT
Gore supported the first war under the Powell doctrine as did many Dems. Overwhelming force, exit strategy, public and international support as prewar conditions. Daddy Bush did it right.

Gore definitely gave some bullsh#t, blustery speaches after all the trumped up intel had eveyone thinking "mushroom cloud" and most everyone was talking a tough game, including Hillary which cost her.

That's a far cry from actually following the exact same path to war that Bush took with the Neo Cons, Zionists and the Halliburton types. It took a huge propaganda campaign based on false intel and lies to get public support. I doubt Gore was that ambitious for war.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:39pm PT
I doubt Gore was that ambitious for war.

Also seems like he was busy working on the greatest threat to National Security that we currently face - Global Climate Change.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:46pm PT
Dirt Claud-

I guarantee you, some of us do every day.

Do you want a laundry list? That would be in poor style and it won't happen.

BTW-How many Latinos do you employee?

PS- I hear what haters say, on a daily basis about Mexican workers and I've been confronted about hiring Mexicans by haters- I generally tell them to get fuked. Believe it or not, one standard can be set across the board by reasonable employers. So I guess what your saying "Thanks, but no thanks- I got this".
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:47pm PT
Steward ken m craig fry..
Im better than You!
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:55pm PT
It requires an enormous amount of privilege to have this viewpoint.


No, it merely requires the stepping back and looking at the big picture not the Dem vs. Repub rhetoric. You have the same privilege.

Both parties are driven to expand the role of government, reduce individual freedom and impose their brand of morality.

I have come to realization that regardless of whether I happen to agree with one or the other's brand of coercion at the moment, its still a level of control that is unsuited for a country that claims its citizens are "free".

If people are proponents of further restrictions to freedom, more wealth re-distribution and expanded government then that's fine. That's their prerogative and that's the political viewpoint they hold.

But claiming that the Republicans are fundamentally different from the Democrats in this day and age shows an enormous lack of perspective.

People that want to die more free than they were born, even if that means a level of uncertainly is injected into their lives, recognize the similarities quite easily.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:58pm PT
So if I have this right, some of you whiteys on here really believe that you got farther ahead due to your "white privilege" right?
If you recognize this, why don't you lead the way and give back some of the things you gained due to your white privilege?

Troll, the way many of us do that, is we work to tear down the barriers that exist, and publicize the ones that stood, that ignorant people like you didn't know about.

For example, where I live in the San Fernando Valley, the housing developments used to contain covenants that prohibited the sale to "coloreds", and Jews.

That was ended by the current Governor's father. You guys fought it like hell.
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Jan 18, 2016 - 04:00pm PT
+1 on the privlage.

Me thinks you need to live in some other, let's say, more authoritarian country to gain proper perspective.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 18, 2016 - 04:15pm PT
^^^^^^^^

Actually the living in the PRK was quite enough for me to get all the perspective I needed.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jan 18, 2016 - 04:29pm PT
pyro: There's a perfect name for you:

White trash.
John M

climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 04:53pm PT
expanding the power of government isn't the only sin political parties can be guilty of. One party tends to grow the military faster then the other. One party has brought us closer to WW3 more often then the other. Thats one reason why I vote.

If both parties are the same, then Do you vote Escopeta?


would people please dial the insults back. try taking the high road occasionally.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 18, 2016 - 05:16pm PT
Of course I vote.
John M

climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 05:17pm PT
why would you vote if there is no difference in the parties?
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Jan 18, 2016 - 05:19pm PT
expanding the power of government isn't the only sin political parties can be guilty of. One party tends to grow the military faster then the other. One party has brought us closer to WW3 more often then the other. Thats one reason why I vote.


So John M.... you are talking about the Democrats, Right?


EDIT: to correct grammar
John M

climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 05:21pm PT
nope..
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 05:23pm PT
Escopeta
No, it merely requires the stepping back and looking at the big picture not the Dem vs. Repub rhetoric. You have the same privilege.

Ignoring the obvious contradiction of your statement, yes I have the same privilege. The difference is that I acknowledge that I am privileged and believe that others deserve what I have. You are upset that you perceive your privilege is being taken from you and given to others that do not deserve it. That is one of the fundamental political dramas playing out in American politics at the moment.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 18, 2016 - 05:24pm PT
Trump says the same thing, He's better than you

pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 18, 2016 - 03:47pm PT
Steward ken m craig fry..
Im better than You!

too weird

I'm not sure who's better than who
is that some new right wing criteria
Do you have to be a white male to be better?
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Jan 18, 2016 - 05:27pm PT
Escopeta-

you lived in the PRK- seriously? I would not doubt your relative perspective in that case.

Quite a few good men and women have died for this country "AS IS", regardless.

Peace
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 18, 2016 - 05:36pm PT
Women have waited a long time.

Yes. But I have friends and relatives who will vote for Clinton simply because of her gender, even if they know she is not the best candidate. Electing a highly qualified woman would be great for women and the country. But Clinton, with all of her baggage, not so much.

Blacks waited a long time, and they remember who helped them.

Symbolism is powerful. I was very excited, filled with pride for my country, when we elected a black man to the Presidency. There are times when policy differences should be set aside. But today we must ask ourselves if “they” will remember getting much help in the last seven years. Young black men in urban areas are growing up as unemployable, turning to gangs, and murdering one another in record numbers. This is a national emergency (and a national shame.)

Jews know who ran the ovens.

That’s certainly a loaded statement. You must be trying to associate Conservatism with genocide? The Nazi’s were conservative, politically to the right? An interesting position to take considering that surrendering oneself to the central authority is anathema to a Conservative.

You guys have done a great job of kicking hispanics.

The last President to sign an amnesty bill into law was Reagan. He kept his half of the deal, Congress reneged on theirs, choosing instead to leave the border open. Today the Reps have a Hispanic candidate who is pro amnesty – just came out of the closet yesterday- and another who is named by The National Law Journal as one of the 50 Most Influential Minority Lawyers in America.

A lot of white, educated men and women can see through the rhetoric.

A lot more than just white, educated men and women can see through the rhetoric. The Sanders/Clinton rhetoric that is…


Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 18, 2016 - 05:37pm PT
Ignoring the obvious contradiction of your statement, yes I have the same privilege. The difference is that I acknowledge that I am privileged and believe that others deserve what I have. You are upset that you perceive your privilege is being taken from you and given to others that do not deserve it. That is one of the fundamental political dramas playing out in American politics at the moment.

You have an awful habit of speaking for others and/or projecting whatever concoction of sentiment you infer onto the the original author.

If you want to make a point, make it. You don't need to somehow twist something I say to fit your intentions. I'll take it for what its worth regardless.

My perspective is that the two major political parties in the country have homogenized and are united in their drive towards a stifling regulatory environment, a "government by waiver" mentality, wealth re-distribution and overall expansion of their powers.

The fact that they differ slightly about exactly the path to get there is uninteresting to me.





HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 05:40pm PT
Escopeta, you have the awful habit of being upset that I think you believe what you say. Reread your posts. If they do not represent your views then make different posts. I'm not sure what to tell you. If you aren't upset because you think the government is stealing from you to give to other people then stop stating something to that effect in nearly every post.

My perspective is that the two major political parties in the country have homogenized and are united in their drive towards a stifling regulatory environment, a "government by waiver" mentality, wealth re-distribution and overall expansion of their powers.

The fact that they differ slightly about exactly the path to get there is uninteresting to me.

I mean, there it is right there. What's not to get? I got it the first 50 times you posted it. Your viewpoint is super, super clear. Stop being mad that I reference it.
WBraun

climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 05:41pm PT
Americans are way too stupid to get real leader.

So they end up with stooopid puppets.

You fools should just vote in your favorite stoopid puppet and be done with it.

Then you can start your next stoopid politard thread saying nothing all over again ....
John M

climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 05:43pm PT
If you aren't upset because you think the government is stealing from you to give to other people then stop stating something to that effect in nearly every post

hahha.. yep.. exactly!
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 18, 2016 - 06:06pm PT
You are upset that you perceive your privilege is being taken from you and given to others that do not deserve it.

Those are your words, not mine. Language is important.

No one has taken any rights or special advantage from me and given to someone else and I have made no such claim.

If you want to make stuff up, just make it up. Fine with me. But please at least be honest about it. Good Grief.


pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 18, 2016 - 06:09pm PT
Thats right DrFry I am better than you and that OREO steward



Edit: stewart im convinced u dont climb and wish u done did..
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 18, 2016 - 06:10pm PT
Some major denialism is needed to conclude that the 2 parties are the same

Esco, what do you say about Climate change.


Pyro, thanks for the info, I will file it
Thats right DrFry I am better than you and that OREO steward
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jan 18, 2016 - 06:11pm PT
Then you can start your next stoopid politard thread saying nothing all over again ....

Nurse!!! There's been an escape from the Religitard thread!! Lock down the ward!!
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jan 18, 2016 - 06:11pm PT
Ksolem: If you had troubled to read Mein Kampf (arguably the most poorly written book ever published) and noted Hitler's breathtaking hatred of ANY kind of progressive views, I believe it's perfectly accurate to label Nazis as right wing fanatics. Are you attempting to say that the Nazis were liberals?

Reagan was a real lover of Hispanics - so much so that he propped up evil dictators in Central America and not only financed and armed these monsters who murdered thousands of innocent peasants, but even trained their troops in torture techniques at the School of the Americas. All this to support U.S. interests.

I figure that the only reason Reagan and his accomplices would have been willing to accept amnesty for Hispanics is because they realized that much of the U.S. economy would have tanked if they disappeared the only workers available who were willing to tolerate slave wages and working conditions.

Yeah - you and your ilk have great eyesight.

Re: the plight of poor blacks in the U.S. - are you seriously attempting to infer that the Tea Baggers were falling all over themselves attempting to assist Obama pass legislation that would have improved living conditions for them - like Medicare, for instance? Were these Tea Baggers attempting to create social programs that were blocked by Obama?
John M

climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 06:18pm PT
y perspective is that the two major political parties in the country have homogenized and are united in their drive towards a stifling regulatory environment, a "government by waiver" mentality, wealth re-distribution and overall expansion of their powers.

No one has taken any rights or special advantage from me and given to someone else and I have made no such claim.

isn't wealth redistribution a taking away of your right to decide how your money is spent?
dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 18, 2016 - 06:18pm PT
Any Hispanic who does not wish to live as a victim and refuses to be told he can't get ahead without the Libs must be an ignorant troll? Pretty simple answer for such a complex and intelligent being as yourself Ken.
I know much of what happened in Mexican and American history and I learn from it, I don't live it. In fact it's you who may need to read some history to see that Hispanics/Latinos have been treated worse by their own kind in many cases than by the "white man". The fact that I have Spanish blood makes me and most Mexicans partly white anyways. If you have traveled in Mexico you know that many darker more native Hispanic Indians are treated badly in many cases. That little dark Indian Mexican dude down at home depot is treated better here than in many parts of Mexico. But I wouldn't know Einstein, my whole family just lives there and my mother was literally born in a grass hut and had trouble getting adopted due to her dark complexion. I would say you are the ignorant one, opening up your yapper when you have no fookin clue what I have been through personally and assume like all good snotty Liberals that there must be something wrong with me if I am not thinking like you. Grow the hell up.
Constantly bitching about what people did in the past, does what exactly? Besides make people mad?
Of course there are racist people I have run into, did they stop me from getting anywhere? No. Could they organize and make sure I don't get into something? No. I never had a bunch of white people be in Kahoots against me. I have asked other Hispanics about this as well, and as I mentioned, I get the "it's the system" answer.
I live in an area with many paisanos and have heard them talk sh#t about white people in Spanish, I have heard Hispanics say horrible things about blacks, I have heard blacks say horrible things about whites and Asians say horrible sh#t about other Asians. I live in a world where all races are racist and all races are kind. Everyone is an individual.
Until we stop letting career politicians and the media make everything about race, we are going nowhere. We are not getting anywhere right now are we? We are just going backwards, people are just looking back at history and thinking they are owed something. If badly treated Hispanics, Chinese, Blacks, etc..from back in the day, lived now, do you think they would cry for revenge or just be happy they have gotten their rights and freedoms and live a productive happy life with their new found liberties? I will not ride on the coat tails of what my ancestors may have suffered and carry a chip on my shoulder, why would I take credit for what they went through and act like I have gone through anything like that? That's very disingenuous.


Contractor, your story is something that happens, but did you listen to these people and not hire them? Did you have the power to makes sure no Mexicans get hired if you wanted too? And that's great that you set an example to all those racist white employers out there, but being a good person to other is not "paying back your white guilt". Many races of people are kind to other people and help them out all the time. Are you paying something back or doing it because you are a good person?
In my opinion you don't owe Hispanics or anyone anything unless you are going to cry about white guilt and not give back some of the things you got "unfairly" as in reparations. If you were a past racist and literally thought other races are below you, and you pushed to make sure those people do not get ahead, or you had a direct recent ancestor who did these things, than I could understand your white guilt.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jan 18, 2016 - 06:19pm PT
pyro: People who aren't White Trash have enough intelligence to realize that an "Oreo" is considered to be a derogatory reference for a Black person who behaves like a White person.

Much as I identify with the justifiable concerns of the Black community, I am Caucasian. To save you the agony of trying to learn how to operate a dictionary, Caucasian is another word for White.

How's your Mensa application working out?

EDIT: I truly don't give a rat's ass what you think of my climbing credentials, particularly since they've already been provided.

dirt claud

Social climber
san diego,ca
Jan 18, 2016 - 06:29pm PT
I guess Malcolm X was white trash? I've heard more Libs use that term and Uncle Tom to describe Allen West and a number of other black conservatives than any conservative ever using it. You Libs own that word right now, it is freely thrown around to any black person who does not fit the classic Dem mold.

http://atlantablackstar.com/2013/09/05/black-celebs-malcolm-x-call-uncle-tom/
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 18, 2016 - 06:30pm PT
pyro: People who aren't White Trash have enough intelligence to realize that an "Oreo" is considered to be a derogatory reference for a Black person who behaves like a White person

ohh yeah u must be geeek


edit:

like i said Im way better than you!

double edit:

EDIT: I truly don't give a rat's ass what you think of my climbing credentials, particularly since they've already been provided.

Damn ur stupid..
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 06:31pm PT
Escopeta posted
No one has taken any rights or special advantage from me and given to someone else and I have made no such claim.

If you want to make stuff up, just make it up. Fine with me. But please at least be honest about it. Good Grief.

You complain about this constantly, you just don't like it when I frame it outside of your "I'm a victim of government oppression" story. Instead of defending your views you insist that you don't have them. "The entire government budget is stolen from people like me and redistributed to others" means exactly what I said. Unless you are stating that you think those people DO deserve it. By all means explain that further if I am misunderstanding it.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 18, 2016 - 07:06pm PT
Please let me know what specifically makes you better than me and my cohorts.
I would like to work on my deficiencies so I could be better like you.
Is it smarter?, better climber? better macho blowhard? better street? tats?

Is there a problem with greeks?
I'm from Canadians that are 1/2 Ukrainian and 1/2 English/Newfie,
They became American citizens before I was born in CA. am I OK?


I'm not really sure what makes you better than me.

You really need to explain this better
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
Jan 18, 2016 - 07:08pm PT
Fry...I think it's called a superiority complex..don't take it personally..
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 18, 2016 - 07:17pm PT
Craig LOL..

must be getting restless cant wait to post up:

LIVE VIA TIC ROCK MEDUSA ANSWERS ALL QUESTIONS..
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 18, 2016 - 07:45pm PT
If you had troubled to read Mein Kampf (arguably the most poorly written book ever published) and noted Hitler's breathtaking hatred of ANY kind of progressive views, I believe it's perfectly accurate to label Nazis as right wing fanatics. Are you attempting to say that the Nazis were liberals?

"If I had troubled to read..?" Well at least we can agree that it was poorly written. Saying that Nazi's were liberals would be about as smart as saying that today's American conservatives are like the Nazi's, which is how I read Ken's statement.

My point regarding Reagan was simply that the Democrat Party does not own the high ground with regard to Hispanics. The use of "Dissapeared" as a verb refers to the murder and concealment of the death of certain persons. Not something I think Reagan had in mind. Reagan agreed to grant amnesty to about 3 million illegals in the US at the time, and Congress agreed to get serious about the border so the same situation in bigger numbers would not happen again and again. Oh well.

Chastising any political group for obstructing Obama's efforts to help urban blacks is a real stretch. It simply has not been an agenda item for him. Oddly this is just the kind of situation which is perfectly suited to the legal use of Executive Directives. It is an emergency, and effective action can be taken by the President without it rising to the level of creating law. And of course his best chance to shine light on such issues is the State of The Union. But..... crickets.

So in the mean time Rahm Emmanuel, his ex Chief of Staff and long time political ally sits on the powder-keg called Chicago, and yet again shows us the politics of expediency at their best. If a cop shoots a black man make the absolute most of it regardless of what really happened; bring in the Sharpton's, National news and all. Unless, of course, it threatens your chance at re-election in which case pay off the surviving family with millions of public $ and cover the whole affair up as quickly as possible.

I'm not sure who you refer to by "me and my ilk," but if it's Escopeta I'll take that as a compliment :-)
Contractor

Boulder climber
CA
Jan 18, 2016 - 08:02pm PT

I like this thread.


Dirt Claud-

As I sit here in my parlor, playing chamber music on my harpsichord and sipping Tawny Port, I promise to you, to harden my resolve, to do everything in my power to lessen the plight of the darker races.

I'll send out a memo to my assistant, first thing tomorrow, right after my Polo match.

Memo: Trevor- please gather, for donation-all outdated aperral, unused canned food and that fruit cake mummy sent last week.

Dirt Claud- it appears as though, you are the gentleman that authenticates White Guilt credits. I'd like to exchange for some of those at your earliest convenience. My elitist friends will be so envious!

Regards,

Liberal White Elitist

Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 18, 2016 - 08:05pm PT
My point regarding Reagan was simply that the Democrat Party does not own the high ground with regard to Hispanics.
wouldn't you admit that things have changed radically since Reagan's time.
You can't use him now since the Modern Right Wing contingent has taken the low ground instead.

It's what's happening now, not a hope that what happened 30 years is enough to make up for all the other millions of misdeeds against latinos
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Jan 18, 2016 - 08:20pm PT
What a heated debate! How interesting!

In Idaho, we may have heated debate, but the huge Conservative-Republican majority keeps voting Republican & the more right-wing whack-job the candidates are, the better!

There are still some Democrat members in the state legislature, but every statewide office is held by a Republican.

Human-nature being what it is, now the Ultra-Conservative Republicans are trying to oust the less Conservative Republicans. The last Idaho Republican Congressman who will work with Democrats to pass legislation that benefits America, Rep Simpson, is now the target of our newest rightwing whackjob, Conservative Congressman, Puerto-Rican native, LDS church member, ex-immigration-lawyer, Raoul Labador.

Raoul publicly attacked fellow-Mormon Rep. Simpson last summer for drinking alcohol, a no-no for all but the most secret-elite of Mormon-dumb.

So-----to bring my rant back to questions, or accusations thrown at Escopeta. It doesn't matter how we vote in Idaho, because the majority here always votes Republican.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jan 18, 2016 - 08:31pm PT
Escopeta, are you the mormon chick who cried foul awhile back??
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jan 18, 2016 - 08:46pm PT
pyro: Devastating response, as always. Say, is dirt claud your twin brother?

dirt claud: Malcolm X was black, and his views which were different from MLK, but were certainly understandable and arguably more realistic. As noted earlier, black people, by virtue of their racial heritage, cannot be White Trash.

Pyro, however, is a magnificent specimen of White Trash.

EDIT:

Forgot about Allen West. Yeah - he's what we call an Uncle Tom, and I'm sure the Tea Party is delighted to have a token black, especially one who dodged by the skin of his teeth a court-martial by the U.S. Army for the extra-judicial torture of an Iraqi.

Allen is also the guy who accused the Democratic Party of having 78 - 81 communist in its ranks.

Yeah... good old Al there is just plain folks.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 18, 2016 - 08:55pm PT
It's what's happening now, not a hope that what happened 30 years is enough to make up for all the other millions of misdeeds against latinos

It's not a hope. It's an observation. The relevant point being that no President or Congress has been able to come to terms with the problem since.

It's a tough conundrum. Hispanics work here for substandard wages plus social benefits. But they come here, often at great risk, for these jobs. Drive up their pay and another principle will come into play: Cheap labor stifles innovation. We're already seeing the tip of this iceberg in fast food and similar industries where higher minimum wages are driving companies to automate. There are going to be fewer jobs, especially those crucial first job opportunities for young people. Expensive labor drives innovation.

So the old adage "illegals do the jobs no one else will" is not true. When illegals settle into burger flipping jobs to support families they are displacing young people who would move through these "first jobs."

So which is really better for the Mexican people? Let them cross an open border into a land where they will find it harder and harder to get by unless we simply take care of them? Or regulate immigration to numbers we can bring into our society and employ? Today it is out of control, and whichever side you fall on this has to be a bad thing.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 18, 2016 - 09:40pm PT
Yes. The current growth in the numbers of illegals in the US is neutral right now. We have about 11.5 million here now, and perhaps two hundred thousand have left, died, or whatever. So for the current state of our economy we have apparently reached the saturation point.

Wouldn't this be a good time to plan ahead so that when better economic times roll around we have realistic policies in place regarding immigration?

edit: And yes, 11.5 million undocumented people working to a great extent in an undocumented cash economy is out of control.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 18, 2016 - 09:47pm PT
Yes. But I have friends and relatives who will vote for Clinton simply because of her gender, even if they know she is not the best candidate. Electing a highly qualified woman would be great for women and the country. But Clinton, with all of her baggage, not so much.

Clinton is the most highly qualified to run since Geo HW Bush. In all of the public jobs she has held, she is held in high regard by the professionals in the field.

But your bashing of her, pushing the Repug agenda, supports what I say.

But today we must ask ourselves if “they” will remember getting much help in the last seven years.

You can ask *yourself* all you want. When "they" are asked, they respond that they perceive that democrats have had their back, while Repugs step on their backs, to get a leg up.

An interesting position to take considering that surrendering oneself to the central authority is anathema to a Conservative.

You don't have an effing clue what entering the military is about, do you? Conservatives want YOU to submit to a national religion, they want YOU to submit to a national military-industrial complex, their response to any problem is NOT self-sufficiency, but LEADERSHIP----which is code for a central authority organizing a response. They want to control your bedroom, and who is in it. They want to control your food. Your water.

They are AGAINST diplomacy (cutting the budget), and FOR military action. They want to be the "world's policeman".

But they are good about lying about all this in doublespeak.

Saint Ronald, and the hispanics?

I've lived in the state my entire life. You just don't remember what a racist he was. The hispanics remember.

You obviously must not have been watching the last 6 months, or you'd know what murderers and rapists the mexicans are.

WBraun

climber
Jan 18, 2016 - 09:53pm PT
Clinton is the most highly qualified to run since Geo HW Bush.
In all of the public jobs she has held, she is held in high regard by the professionals in the field.

LOL

You are brainwashed fool.

And it's got nothing to do with Democrats, Republicans, politics or any of it.

You're just plain brainwashed fool period.

It should read "she is held in high regard by all the criminals in the field"
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 18, 2016 - 10:02pm PT
"If I had troubled to read..?" Well at least we can agree that it was poorly written. Saying that Nazi's were liberals would be about as smart as saying that today's American conservatives are like the Nazi's, which is how I read Ken's statement.

You must not know many Jews.

It's the "strong leaders" that they fear. Those that aren't party to political correctness, and will call a spic a spic:

This fellow here over here with the yellow shirt, Macaca, or whatever his name is. He's with my opponent.... Let's give a welcome to Macaca, here. Welcome to America and the real world of Virginia.

— George Allen
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 18, 2016 - 10:04pm PT
Wouldn't this be a good time to plan ahead so that when better economic times roll around we have realistic policies in place regarding immigration?

Oh, so NOW you want to support the President's position, where he has called on the Republican Congress, over and over, to come up with a comprehensive program.

Something that Rubio showed real leadership in pursuing, and is now trashed for trying to do.
BLUEBLOCR

Social climber
joshua tree
Jan 18, 2016 - 10:57pm PT
Nice arguing KSolem!

Ken you otta take some notes..
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Jan 18, 2016 - 11:05pm PT
You must not know many Jews.

I'm growing tired of such assumptions...

"Perhaps if you had read..."

"You must not know many Jews..."

My Father sang as Cantor at Stephen Wise Synagogue in Manhattan for twenty years. I was brought in to blow the Shofar for the holidays. It was very exciting. A very intense community.

Conservatives want "you" to subscribe to a national religion??
Please...
Conservatives want "you" to submit to a national military-industrial complex?
Replace that with Government wants... and I'm in.

All of this BS about how different the parties are is wearing thin. Try closing an otherwise useless base in a Democrat district and you'll see what I mean.

And if you really give a hoot about the military industrial complex do a little homework on our current fleet of Ohio Class Ballistic Missile Submarines with their doomsday destructive power, and the current program to replace them which is moving, with stealth, through Congress and the Administration with nary a peep. 14 Submarines, each with 24 Trident IV missiles, each of which carries min. 8 independently targeted warheads each of which make Hiroshima look like a firecracker... min. 2688 such warheads.

You would think that if the Democrat party were valiant against the military industrial complex, any more so than the Reps., then their righteous opposition to this wasteful machine of Armageddon would be voiced loud and clear. Rest assured that every member of Congress and the Administration is aware of this sickening program but mum is the word.

Regarding Hillary, I cannot fathom supporting her. Even though I disagree with everything Sanders stands for I would vote for him over her in a minute. He wears his values on his collar and I can respect him for that. Clinton is a chameleon. Expedient, dishonest and hypocritical.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 19, 2016 - 05:06am PT
You complain about this constantly, you just don't like it when I frame it outside of your "I'm a victim of government oppression" story. Instead of defending your views you insist that you don't have them. "The entire government budget is stolen from people like me and redistributed to others" means exactly what I said. Unless you are stating that you think those people DO deserve it. By all means explain that further if I am misunderstanding it.

Are those quotations intended to signify something I wrote? I don't remember writing that.

If they are supposedly attributed to me, that is the issue I was speaking of in terms of your disingenuous debate skills. I'm happy to defend my position. What I'm not interested in defending is your exaggerated paraphrase or apparent intentional mis-interpretation of my positions. They might be fine for you to wave around in an effort to discredit my position, but I feel no obligation to defend them.

The amount of money the government takes from me could barely support one of Sally Struther's african kids. The real re-distribution occurs through corporate taxes, the endless regulatory pyramid schemes, the fee and fine bonanza and so on.

But honestly, wealth redistribution is really only one of the many facets our current government - both Dem and Repub - have undertaken in the systematic reduction of individual freedom.

I was trying the other day, while looking at a blue sky cradling a shotgun, to think of one single thing the government has done in my lifetime to actually EXPAND or even give back a freedom. Couldn't come up with a solid example. One maybe. That's it. Sad indeed
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 19, 2016 - 05:12am PT
Escopeta, are you the mormon chick who cried foul awhile back??

Good Grief. Go talk to Craig Fry. He saved from being the Mormon chick who cried afoul, apparently.

Since I'm saved I guess I'm Presbyterian now or something.

This is starting to feel like some kind of weird online version of 'To Tell The Truth' .
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Jan 19, 2016 - 05:26am PT
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 19, 2016 - 05:29am PT
Escopeta posted
If they are supposedly attributed to me, that is the issue I was speaking of in terms of your disingenuous debate skills. I'm happy to defend my position. What I'm not interested in defending is your exaggerated paraphrase or apparent intentional mis-interpretation of my positions. They might be fine for you to wave around in an effort to discredit my position, but I feel no obligation to defend them.

But honestly, wealth redistribution is really only one of the many facets our current government - both Dem and Repub - have undertaken in the systematic reduction of individual freedom.


It's hardly disingenuous to point out that it requires a position of privilege to believe that the government only robs people of money and "individual freedom." The assumption there is that we would be "more free" with "less government." Can you point to a time when this was true?


Hermit- That would likely win her the election.
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Jan 19, 2016 - 05:40am PT
I'd say that Trump is not an evil piece of sh#t. He's more like 3 or 4 whole evil shits. Here in Spain, we have a standoff with about 5 or 6 (lost count) parties trying to form a government (GOOD LUCK!). I wish I could report that the multi-party model works better, but I have to say that the jury is still out.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 19, 2016 - 05:44am PT
It's hardly disingenuous to point out that it requires a position of privilege to believe that the government only robs people of money and "individual freedom."

The error is that you attribute that sentiment to me. If you want to say that, fine. But to imply that is my position is silly and I don't care to defend your intentional misconceptions of my comments and prefer to call you out on them since you were the one that claimed I wasn't debating properly in the first place.


The assumption there is that we would be "more free" with "less government." Can you point to a time when this was true?

Yes I can. Yesterday.
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Jan 19, 2016 - 05:54am PT
What does disingenuous mean, again? I forgot.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 19, 2016 - 05:54am PT
I know that people on here are fond of debating Dems vs Repubs and all that. Which I guess can be fun.

But generations of elected officials have secured their place in the American machine through the extensive Regulatory and Compliance construct.

The alphabet soup agencies write virtually all the laws (otherwise known as regulations) anymore and the elected officials know that while they might get voted out of office, the place the government holds in the lives of every american is ever expanding. And they rest comfortably with the notion that none of those agencies will get voted out of office so the legacy continues as does the encroachment.

If you are someone who holds the position that these agencies and this incessant creep is good for the United States, I would have to disagree but at least you come by it honestly.

But to try and claim that its somehow not happening and that the concept is some right wing conspiracy theory, is perhaps the most dangerous position to take of all.

Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 19, 2016 - 06:21am PT
And if you really give a hoot about the military industrial complex do a little homework on our current fleet of Ohio Class Ballistic Missile Submarines with their doomsday destructive power, and the current program to replace them which is moving, with stealth, through Congress and the Administration with nary a peep. 14 Submarines, each with 24 Trident IV missiles, each of which carries min. 8 independently targeted warheads each of which make Hiroshima look like a firecracker... min. 2688 such warheads.

You would think that if the Democrat party were valiant against the military industrial complex, any more so than the Reps., then their righteous opposition to this wasteful machine of Armageddon would be voiced loud and clear. Rest assured that every member of Congress and the Administration is aware of this sickening program but mum is the word.


Saying the Democrats are against the military industrial complex is about like saying the Republicans are against gun control.

Democrats might want to grow the MIC slower and Pubs want gun control to happen slower but it's funny when you hear people say they are "against" something. Neither party wants the problem to actually get better or go away. How else would they pander for your vote?

Both parties talk tough about these hot button issues when they have the American people fighting each other over the ideology of the thing. But when the time comes to repeal something they are found ogling their belly buttons on both sides of the aisle.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
Jan 19, 2016 - 07:15am PT
Escopeta posted
Neither party wants the problem to actually get better or go away. How else would they pander for your vote?

And that is the essence of politics in Washington DC.
Insiders are there to keep their cushy positions and get rich.
Throw them all out!
http://www.amazon.com/Throw-Them-All-Out-Politicians/dp/0547573146
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jan 19, 2016 - 07:22am PT
But when the time comes to repeal something they are found ogling their belly buttons on both sides of the aisle.

Indeed. The George Bush and his Republican Congress, didn't destroy Roe V Wade. It makes too good a fundraising opportunity - for both parties.

I paid $1.97 for gas here in NY Saturday. This election should be a cakewalk for the Democrats. Instead, they seem poised to ride the TITANIC down for the sake of ideological purity. Some of the Republicans, think they can come out of it with a Veto Proof majority.

Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 19, 2016 - 07:34am PT
Indeed. The George Bush and his Republican Congress, didn't destroy Roe V Wade.

I would also like to point out, for the mouth breathing 2nd Amendment blowhards, that during their majority they didn't find time in their busy schedules to use the opportunity to repeal ANY gun control legislation either.

As I have said, the R vs D debate is just to keep the weak minded focus away from the overall march to statism.

Watch the birdy.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jan 19, 2016 - 08:22am PT
I would also like to point out, for the mouth breathing 2nd Amendment blowhards, that during their majority they didn't find time in their busy schedules to use the opportunity to repeal ANY gun control legislation either.

Guessing the "they" is the Democrats and agreed.

Same mechanics apply. It's an enormous cash cow for both sides.

My wife thinks Sanders will be the next President. I wish I could be sure. Another big terror attack, could shift things just enough.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 19, 2016 - 08:25am PT
Escopeta posted
The error is that you attribute that sentiment to me. If you want to say that, fine. But to imply that is my position is silly and I don't care to defend your intentional misconceptions of my comments and prefer to call you out on them since you were the one that claimed I wasn't debating properly in the first place.


I attribute the sentiment to you because you keep expressing the sentiment and then decline to clarify or expound. You just get defensive.


Yes I can. Yesterday.

I see. And what was so much better about yesterday?
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jan 19, 2016 - 09:09am PT
John D., there is a ship going down all right, but it won't be occupied by Hillary or Bernie. The GOP is likely to nominate Captain Trump or Cruz, both of whom are unelectable in a general election.

Soon, DJT will announce a "huge" endorsement...Sarah Palin!!! Get out the life rafts.

This, from conservative Jennifer Rubin...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/01/19/does-the-gop-want-a-hater-as-president/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-d%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 19, 2016 - 09:15am PT
Guessing the "they" is the Democrats and agreed.

No John, the "They" is the Republicans. Anyone that thinks the Republican party is fighting the battle to defend our 2nd Amendment rights really ought to take a hard look at history.

The Republican strategy for 2nd Amendment rights is to "lose slowly". Drain the coffers of the 2A donations until its no longer politically expedient to support it.

If I am not speaking the truth, why do they not repeal gun control legislation when they have the chance? Oh, they fuss and muss when additional gun control legislation is proposed, but do you really think they care? Of course not. Its a shiny toy to attract more money and become rich politicians. Much the same as Gay Marriage. They don't care one way or the other, just as long as we submit the power to them to decide.

EDIT: Its the same rhetoric on the Dem side regarding the military.

Anyone wondering why people become career politicians? Its one of the most lucrative jobs you can get.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 20, 2016 - 02:28pm PT
Conservatives want "you" to subscribe to a national religion??
Please...


Let me clue you in-----it AINT jewish.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Jan 20, 2016 - 05:15pm PT
Yeah, the GOP neo-cons are all for religious freedom - - - as long as that religion is their religion. Anything else, like Native American peyote shamanism, is deemed "malarky" and unsuitable for Constitutional protection.

This is like the GOP's belief in Free Speech, as long as it's something they want to hear. Occupy Wall Street? Shut that noise off NOW, with a militarized police force wielding pepper spray and poisonous gas. Silence the "economic terrorists" who are waging "class warfare" against the uber-wealthy "defenders of freedom".



If there is a conflict between corporate profits versus acknowledging and protecting a "malarky" religion (such as that practiced by Arizona Apache tribes), the GOP invariably chooses corporate profits.

Huff Post: GOP sneaks foreign mining corporation's grab of Apache ceremonial lands into Defense Bill.




Is it a coincidence that the GOP's "most progressive" refer to themselves as Neo-Cons?

"Neo-Con" translates directly into, "new-version con-man gambit" (confidence game, grift, fraud, deceit).




EDIT: I mistakenly said the Apache land-grab by the GOP to give to foreign copper miners took place in New Mexico. It took place in Arizona, which is, naturally, The Copper State.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 20, 2016 - 05:42pm PT
I like to say these words for fun once in awhile
"Thank God" The Chief is gone

Now we can debate w/o a huge commotion about nothing
and I don't care if you have a different opinion on this matter

Please, carry on
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Jan 20, 2016 - 06:55pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]

A show worthy of North Korea
StahlBro

Trad climber
San Diego, CA
Jan 20, 2016 - 07:21pm PT
The degree of ignorance it would take to vote for Donald Trump is in fathomable. That is why Sarah Palin endorsed him.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jan 20, 2016 - 07:23pm PT
Why are there two Trump threads?
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 20, 2016 - 07:24pm PT
When she gave her endorsement to Trump in Iowa, Palin went on, at length, about...well, really, it was kind of hard to tell since her "speech" would more accurately be described as an oxy-fueled, deranged, incomprehensible stream of consciousness that would make James Joyce say, "What the f*#k are you talking about?" before drinking himself to a thankful death. From what it's possible to piece together, or maybe to interpret, like it's Faulkner at his most obscure, Obama is a pussy, liberals are victimizing real conservatives, and Trump will, sh#t, make America great again or something. Seriously, you figure this sh#t out: "Where, in the private sector, you actually have to balance budgets in order to prioritize, to keep the main thing, the main thing, and he knows the main thing: a president is to keep us safe economically and militarily. He knows the main thing, and he knows how to lead the charge."
there is no reason that we would treat this speech as anything other than ranting madness, which comes across even more when you watch it and see Palin shifting and twitching and gesticulating around like a ferret that got into the meth stash. Surely, Trump had to pay her to be there. Palin may be many things, but she knows how to grift for some cash


Surely, Trump had to pay her to be there. Palin may be many things, but she knows how to grift for some cash. Surely, Trump regretted it as soon as he realized he would have to stand there for however long Palin was going to have to blather on before she finally crashed and needed another hit of Klonopin or Vicodin or whatever takes the edge off her mania. In fact, you can pinpoint the moment when Trump realized that he might have made a terrible mistake. It's about 13 minutes in:


You gotta love that look of Trump glancing angrily to the side, as if asking some poor, demeaned assistant, "When the f*#k is this kooky broad gonna finish? I got a tanning appointment." Don't pity Trump here. Laugh at him for thinking that he was getting a loyal dog when what he really bought was a rabid wolverine.

Trying to discern the substance of a Palin speech is like trying to figure out how to stick your hand into a roach-filled hole to get that coin you dropped: you might find what you're looking for, but you're gonna end up disgusted, skeeved out, and coated with goo. And here is that goo-slicked nickel: "The permanent political class has been doing the bidding of their campaign donor class, and that’s why you see that the borders are kept open. For them, for their cheap labor that they want to come in. That’s why they’ve been bloating budgets. It’s for crony capitalists to be able suck off of them." Leaving aside the obvious jokes on the phrase "suck off of them," Palin dissed "crony capitalist" in front of a man who has profited mightily from that system. That kind of ideological dissonance might be alarming, but, well, Palin.

Oh, and f*#k you, John McCain.



 See more at: http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/#sthash.9oNHv8aN.dpuf



Donald Trump, the Ultimate Crony Capitalist

by Andrew Kirell | 12:01 pm, June 16th, 2015
http://www.mediaite.com/online/donald-trump-the-ultimate-crony-capitalist/

fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 20, 2016 - 07:33pm PT
panem et circenses

nothing more.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Jan 20, 2016 - 07:59pm PT
Oh, and f*#k you, John McCain.


McCain led the charge to seize the Apache's ceremonial lands, and hand them off to Rio Tinto, a British-Australian mining conglomerate with a horrific environmental and human rights record.


Now that corporations are people, and non-profit PACs, LLCs and other legal artifices conceal who exactly is giving what to American politicians, we will see an increase in U.S. officials doing the bidding of foreign companies seeking to exploit American resources and American people. In the past, foreign lobbyists had to register with the State Department. Now, anyone, anywhere can establish a PAC for a purpose of monetarily fellating people like John McCain.

Soon, the U.S. will be no different from, say, Nigeria, which has been exploited by multi-national corporations for decades. The difference here is that the wrongful exploitation of the Apache lands was sanctioned, at the highest levels of government, as part of the "National Defense".




You can thank the deranged pricks on the Supreme Court. Have they even heard of the concept of "unintended consequences"?

Maybe the right-wing bloc of the Supreme court intentionally set the stage for foreign corporations to come in, loot America, and pervert our Democratic process through political bribery and clandestine lobbying. It's hard to imagine that the majority of the Supreme Court wants to destroy America, but dysfunctional people can be hard to figure out.




EDIT: Skeptimistic has it right: Trump farts out both ends.


For the sake of the children and blushing ladies, we call it "hot air".

But, it's actually sulphurous, poisonous gas that causes normal people to gag.
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Jan 20, 2016 - 08:02pm PT
Why are there two Trump threads?

The amount of hot methane would reach critical mass otherwise
zBrown

Ice climber
Jan 20, 2016 - 08:12pm PT
methane

Maybe gonna need a third one with Palin on board.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 21, 2016 - 05:28am PT
Escopeta posted
The Republican strategy for 2nd Amendment rights is to "lose slowly". Drain the coffers of the 2A donations until its no longer politically expedient to support it.

If I am not speaking the truth, why do they not repeal gun control legislation when they have the chance? Oh, they fuss and muss when additional gun control legislation is proposed, but do you really think they care? Of course not. Its a shiny toy to attract more money and become rich politicians. Much the same as Gay Marriage. They don't care one way or the other, just as long as we submit the power to them to decide.

When did they have the chance? And who is deciding if people get married or not at the federal level?
dirtbag

climber
Jan 21, 2016 - 07:57am PT
Trump probably has narcissistic personality disorder:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201511/therapists-confirm-trumps-narcissistic-personality-disorder
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jan 21, 2016 - 08:09am PT
Dude! How did you come across that article??

It's unbelievably timely in my life right now.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 21, 2016 - 08:26am PT
There was a link to it in a Washington post article arguing that Trump might be more effective than Cruz in working with Congress because he wants to be liked, whereas Cruz doesn't seem to care.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/01/21/why-the-republican-establishment-prefers-president-trump-to-president-cruz/
Norton

Social climber
Jan 21, 2016 - 08:32am PT

Hillary beats Donald by over 10 million popular and over 100 Electoral Votes

Another modern day Landslide, just as Obama did to McCain and Romney.


THEY

CAN"T

GET

TO

270
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jan 21, 2016 - 08:36am PT
It's looking increasingly likely, The Democrats will rerun 2008. Some guy comes out of nowhere, and she doesn't get the nomination.

A Republican Congress yoked to a Socialist President. It could work.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 21, 2016 - 08:38am PT
You keep saying this, John, but what math are you looking at?

I don't see the country electing a self proclaimed socialist for decades. It's toxic.
zBrown

Ice climber
Jan 21, 2016 - 08:43am PT
Strange bedfellows - who's been sleeping here?


Washington Post
Putin implicated in fatal poisoning of former KGB spy at posh London hotel

There will undoubtedly be a huge Benghazi style set of hearings in Russia.


NOT your cup of tea?




https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/01/21/Foreign/Graphics/poisonTEAPOT.jpg?uuid=9xW79MBPEeWYyH-reGd9UQ



John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jan 21, 2016 - 09:02am PT
I don't see ideology playing much of a role this time. I don't think Bernies Socialism, will be as big of a factor as the pundits think. He's loud and passionate. That's what people are looking for.

k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jan 21, 2016 - 09:09am PT
Washington Post
Putin implicated in fatal poisoning of former KGB spy at posh London hotel

Donald Trump's bromance with Vladimir Putin

After Putin praised Trump on Thursday as "bright and talented" and "the absolute leader of the presidential race," the billionaire trumpeted Putin's praise as a "great honor" and even shrugged off widespread allegations that the Russian president has ordered the killing of journalists and political dissidents.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Jan 21, 2016 - 09:14am PT
"Hey, it's just business." - Don Corleone
zBrown

Ice climber
Jan 21, 2016 - 09:55am PT
I knew it was Obama. I could have had a Sean Penn scoop if I'd been thinking.

Moving forward in what appears to be a campaign to win the prize for Most Incoherent Human in America, Sarah Palin this week followed up her meme-worthy epic poem of an endorsement for Donald Trump with a truly fascinating explanation for her son Track’s recent arrest for domestic abuse.It’s Obama’s fault . And that would actually be laughable if this wasn’t about a 26 year-old grown man currently charged with fourth-degree assault, fourth-degree misconduct involving a weapon and interfering with a report of domestic violence.


http://www.salon.com/2016/01/21/sarah_palins_delusional_blame_game_obama_isnt_responsible_for_her_sons_domestic_violence_charge/
couchmaster

climber
Jan 21, 2016 - 12:18pm PT
You all talking about Biff? Haters gonna hate. Here's the story.
"In an interview with the Daily Beast, trilogy co-writer Bob Gale revealed that the surly Biff was inspired by real estate mogul and Republican presidential contender Donald Trump."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/22/donald-trump-inspired-back-to-the-future-bully-bif/

HAHAHAHA!!! MCFLY!!!! MCFLY!!!! HELLO MCFLY!!!!






August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Jan 21, 2016 - 12:43pm PT
I don't see ideology playing much of a role this time. I don't think Bernies Socialism, will be as big of a factor as the pundits think. He's loud and passionate. That's what people are looking for.

Being loud and passionate might be what democratic primary voters are looking for, but I don't think his single issue, left-wing approach would work well in the general. I think a majority of democratic primary voters believe that Hillary is more electable and she will get the nomination. As of last June, I had the same thinking with Republicans and thought Rubio, Walker (or possibly Bush) would get it. I'm starting to have some doubts about that. But so far, all we've seen is what some people are telling posters. That is not the same as actually voting.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jan 21, 2016 - 12:47pm PT
Well, if Bernie's challenge to Hillary gets her to trend a little more leftwards, it's all good with me.
Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, California
Jan 23, 2016 - 03:45am PT
Herr Trümp

A'cloistering from south to north,
All gathering to waddle forth,
They flock to him from west to east,
All rabid fans to say the least,

And read the measure of the man,
With heads sunk firmly in sand,
They gravitate in fervent bands,
With outstretched arms and clenching hands,

And signing on their fate is sealed,
By the deal this pompous ass has wheeled,
The angry mob to which he appeals,
Their hearts and minds now to him steeled,

With posture arrogant and snide,
His art to heckle and deride,
He's courting power like a bride,
All lack of pretense set aside,

So far and broad his net is cast,
Stifling all protest un-harrassed,
His billions hold his minions fast,
Blinding them to his checkered past,

He's brainwashed most and suckered in,
His 'art of the deal' the support he wins,
His wealth and power a polished gem,
To hypnotize and dazzle them,

So trumpets forth the Trump-full mind,
And delegates to them in kind,
To stir up Tea Bags left behind,
What dregs that Sara Palin finds,

To criticize and to ostracize,
All those unfaithful and so unwise,
To doubt false patriotic lies,
All this I shudder to surmise,

To say that once I did believe,
This land was made for you and me,
I know now freedom isn't free,
And love of money's n'er the key,

Mistake not others lack of dearth,
What's given some right from their birth,
While others die and bleed to earth,
How can we measure what that's worth?

A sacrifice honored with pride,
A treasure spread so spare and wide,
It leaves no unturned rock to hide,
So vote, it counts how we decide,

I give you this soliloquy,
To think beyond fear what could be,
Should we provide the recipe,
For Donald Trump and World War Three.

-bushman
01/22/2016
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2016 - 09:27am PT
Not on our watch?


Written by Gene Klein (with his daughter Jill Klein, Author of We Got the Water: Tracing My Family's Path Through Auschwitz).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gene-klein/holocaust-survivor-offers-_b_9082286.html?utm_hp_ref=impact&ir=Impact

On this Holocaust Remembrance Day, I am very concerned when I see presidential candidates fanning the flames of animosity. In the '30s in Germany, Jews were the target, but the dangerous rhetoric of today is focused on Muslims and particularly Syrian refugees. Like the anti-Semitic tirades of decades ago, many of the same ingredients are present in the speeches of candidates who hold surprisingly high levels of support from the American people.

It is an all too familiar recipe: Strip away individuality and wrap everyone in the group into an amorphous and frightening entity. Speak about what they will take from us and add in a strong nationalist sentiment that allows people to justify their hatred as patriotic allegiance. It was this lethal combination that sent my family to Auschwitz, my father to the gas chamber, and me, a boy of 16, to a slave labor camp where I was forced to build railroads on starvation rations. The SS guards were able to do this to us because they lost sight of our humanity and of our individuality.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 27, 2016 - 10:28am PT
Excellent point, climbski2. It particularly saddened me to see the allegations made against Syrian refugees generally by Trumpians and other nativists. They portray the refugees as if they are unskilled, poorly-educated people on society's fringes. In fact, taken as a whole, the Syrian refugees are overwhelmingly well-educated and middle class.

The excuse that we can't vet them perfectly, so keeping them out is better, represents a classic example of "the grass is greener" fallacy. Pointing out an option's imperfection does not make its alternative better.

All of this helps to explain why Trump's main support is not from what I would have considered "conservative" voters prior to the apparent redefinition of English words. Imagine Barry Goldwater's reaction to a politician whose main platform planks include opposition to the free movement of goods and people, and an invitation to trust a strong leader.

John
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 27, 2016 - 11:24am PT
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Jan 27, 2016 - 11:40am PT
And most of the posters here will go bug eyed crazy with hate if he is their new president. All the more power to him.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Jan 27, 2016 - 11:47am PT
I'm rooting for him to be the nominee. Hilarious watching the GOP deal with the monster they created.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 27, 2016 - 12:00pm PT
He is doing something right: he's gotten a lot of ignoramuses--including a few here--to develop giant throbbers for him and his nonstop hate-talk. He's exactly the fascist-lite they've been wet dreaming about.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Jan 27, 2016 - 12:06pm PT
MSNBC, is loving him today. Guessing it's the gratuitous trashing of the competition.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 27, 2016 - 12:10pm PT
dirt said
You keep saying this, John, but what math are you looking at?

I don't see the country electing a self proclaimed socialist for decades. It's toxic.

The polls track really well with 2008. Obama was polling very similar numbers, everyone thought he was might upset in Iowa/NH and was saying "but what about when the elections head to the south?"

Sanders isn't Obama, however. If you don't recall, this was his concession speech on the night he lost the NH primary in a surprise upset:

[Click to View YouTube Video]

You'd never know he'd lost if he hadn't congratulated her at the beginning. Clinton's victory speech, by contrast, was incredibly boring and mechanical.


pyro- Sure. If being horribly racist, making things up out of whole cloth and insulting anyone who doesn't pay homage to him is your idea of "doing something right." (which it wouldn't surprise any of us if it was) You're literally getting conned.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 27, 2016 - 12:20pm PT
Man, Obama looks so young in that video.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 27, 2016 - 12:44pm PT
That's before they showed him the special screening of the Zapruder film.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jan 27, 2016 - 01:49pm PT
hey pyro: It appears that your lobotomy was successful. Congratulations on bringing an even more powerful stupid to the conversation.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 27, 2016 - 01:55pm PT
Man, Obama looks so young in that video.



That's before they showed him the special screening of the Zapruder film.

Too funny!

John
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jan 27, 2016 - 04:50pm PT
JEleazarian: Perhaps you can share with us what you thought was so funny about that post.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2016 - 05:44pm PT
I thought it was funny too. Well done.
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jan 27, 2016 - 06:20pm PT
climbski2: Huh? Do you seriously think it's funny to watch film of a U.S. President literally getting his brains blown out his skull?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 27, 2016 - 06:34pm PT
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 27, 2016 - 06:52pm PT
hey pyro: It appears that your lobotomy was successful. Congratulations on bringing an even more powerful stupid to the conversation.


I'm BETTER than YOU!



pyro- Sure. If being horribly racist, making things up out of whole cloth and insulting anyone who doesn't pay homage to him is your idea of "doing something right." (which it wouldn't surprise any of us if it was) You're literally getting conned.

dude STFU!
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 27, 2016 - 08:06pm PT
Oh, he's doing something right. Absolutely.

He's showing that the state of current U.S. Politics is a mockery of democracy and showing the career politicians for what they are.

I actually think it's great. And some of you have Kool Aid stains down the front of your shirt.

He put political theater on steroids.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jan 27, 2016 - 08:08pm PT
musta given up on hairplugs because now he's going
toupé
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 27, 2016 - 08:17pm PT
musta given up on hairplugs because now he's going
toupé


DUDE!
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jan 27, 2016 - 08:19pm PT
pyro: I'm BETTER than YOU...

Hmmm... now let's analyze that...

If by BETTER, you meant "DUMBER" and by "YOU", you actually meant "A BAG OF HAMMERS", then, yes, I'd have to agree with you.

climbski2: please tell me that post wasn't aimed at me.
thebravecowboy

climber
The Good Places
Jan 27, 2016 - 08:22pm PT
I mean, evil is just so harsh. Everybody poops. Some people are.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 28, 2016 - 05:02am PT
Escopeta posted
Oh, he's doing something right. Absolutely.

He's showing that the state of current U.S. Politics is a mockery of democracy and showing the career politicians for what they are.

I actually think it's great. And some of you have Kool Aid stains down the front of your shirt.

He put political theater on steroids.

Just so we're clear: you think the guy who literally has white supremacist groups holding fund raisers for him and who they credit for maintstreaming many of their beliefs is the Kool-aide antidote?

Trump is a charlatan. He will literally say whatever it takes for him to appear to be the best. If that includes things like "politicians do whatever I want because I spend so much money on them" then he will. If he has to then turn around the next day and say the opposite he will. The mockery is that Americans are so happy to hear him "say what we all are thinking" that they happily overlook these absurd contradictions.

Jimmy Carter was crucified for daring to say that America had seen better days and had some hard work ahead of it to overcome it's problems. Trump and most of the others that share the stage with him can't badmouth America enough and Republicans (or a certain segment of them) can't get enough.

Trump is a con man. You are his marks.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 28, 2016 - 05:53am PT
The poison in the Kool-Aid is tasteless. It doesn't matter if some people like to take it with Berry Blue and other fools prefer drinking Cherry Red.

pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 28, 2016 - 06:14am PT
Escopeta +1 for the KOOL AID comment..

Oozzing all over the place..


Stewart ur not a climber nor a political smarty..


Im way better than you always will be!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 28, 2016 - 06:34am PT
Does it make you uncomfortable to respond without a vague analogy?
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 28, 2016 - 07:36am PT
+1 wbraun
zBrown

Ice climber
Jan 28, 2016 - 07:39am PT
Well at least Trump supports surfing. (For white people at least). Would he allow a goofy footer in there?



Meanwhile,

Zika virus 'spreading explosively,' WHO leader says

Do you think a fence will keep Zika (no relation) out?



http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/28/health/zika-virus-global-response/
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 28, 2016 - 07:50am PT
Dingus posted
Trumps not conning me. There's nothing to con. Fox news isn't conning me either. Democracy is broken when a media outfit gets to decide who debates and who doesn't. Sadly f*#ked up and sold out. Can you understand the idea now?

That's how it has always been. The idea of a primary is a modern invention. Before that, candidates were picked in smoke filled rooms and the only debates were between the party nominees. I'm not saying there couldn't or shouldn't be a better way, just that you seem to be pining for an idea of democracy that has never existed.
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 28, 2016 - 07:57am PT
Hidesertdj ur political apocalys thread is ONLY being bumped by YOU.. haha.. u suck
10b4me

Mountain climber
Retired
Jan 28, 2016 - 08:00am PT
Why is trump holding a fundraiser for vets? He should just donate money.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 28, 2016 - 08:07am PT
Dingus posted
My issue is fox news, a politically biased business, making the decisions about who gets debate coverage and who does not.

Abomination.


Again, point me to a time when that was not the case.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 28, 2016 - 08:15am PT

Jan 28, 2016 - 07:57am PT
Hidesertdj ur political apocalys thread is ONLY being bumped by YOU.. haha.. u suck


Pyro the Trump is an evil piece of sh#t thread is ONLY being bumped by EVERYONE..haha.. Trump sucks
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 28, 2016 - 08:17am PT
Would he allow a goofy footer in there?

Wind would need to switch to onshore. No one wants to surf blown out VAS.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Jan 28, 2016 - 08:20am PT
On Twitter, Trump retweets mostly white nationalists.

The man is a human sewage channel.
Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Jan 28, 2016 - 08:24am PT
Check out a biography of William Randolph Hearst, Dingus. This one, for example. We all stand on the shoulders of giants; Murdoch is building on a bad old tradition.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
Jan 28, 2016 - 08:32am PT
Jeeze Dingus, since you're so obviously clueless, maybe you haven't heard of this guy Rockefeller. Read up on him too. <eyeroll>
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 28, 2016 - 08:33am PT
Catch ya later DMT... this stuff is only fun in very small doses. The conversation level is rarely worth even looking at.
Tom

Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
Jan 28, 2016 - 09:12am PT
"Con man" is exactly what Trump is.

People who have dealt with him say that he is highly effective at reading people, divining what they want to hear, and then saying it. He adapts and molds his BS to suit whomever is listening. He is, at his core, a salesman. He got his start at his daddy's real estate office, drooling lies into a telephone.

Many people, lenders, investors, would-be condo buyers, have learned the hard way about coming too close to the open maw of the ravenous cannibal Trump.

He readily admits (Playboy interview) that he will squeeze as hard as he can in a deal, backing off "just before the other guy's head explodes". He gloats about his ability to always get more, with the other guy getting less.

"Negotiation is all about give and take. Well, I give a little, but I mostly take" - Donald Doosh

He repeatedly lies about his misdeeds, either through blanket denials, or by twisting the facts to falsely depict his actions as harmless, ethical or justified.



Trump is a walking, talking nosology of personality dysfunction.

They should seal him up in a glass box at the Columbia Medical School psychiatry department, so that he can be studied without further infecting society.

Spiny Norman

Social climber
Boring, Oregon
Jan 28, 2016 - 09:20am PT
DMT: "Ya know, I have heard of that man. (shock!)"

Figured. Just pointing out that Murdoch's not really doing anything new here. Awful, yes, but not new.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 28, 2016 - 09:48am PT
Part of me still believes the whole trump-palin shtick is an elaborate piece of performance art.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Jan 28, 2016 - 09:52am PT
I only wish it was performance art. The guy really scares me, remember there was a failed austrian artist who took over Germany with similar poll numbers, and Trump is a bloviating demagogue with a similar message.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 28, 2016 - 09:53am PT
Part of me still believes the whole trump-palin shtick is an elaborate piece of performance art

Yep... totally.

Trump has been on Stern's Sirius show quite a bit and spoken candidly in recent years (prior to this "run"). He's FAR from the idiot character he's portraying on the world stage at this point. I can't believe for a second a real narcisist like Trump would want anything to do with the puppet-in-chief position.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 28, 2016 - 09:57am PT
Trump wants to be President. That's probably the only honest thing about his campaign. If you think at this point that he doesn't want to win you aren't paying attention.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 28, 2016 - 10:06am PT
I'm in denial.
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Jan 28, 2016 - 10:09am PT
Typically, a truly evil POS will spawn equally evil POS. Trump's kids seem, for the most part, to be pretty intelligent and functional. Well, as functional as someone can be growing up with a narcissist.

Maybe I'm in denial too... It's warm here at least.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 28, 2016 - 11:45am PT
Dingus posted
My issue is fox news, a politically biased business, making the decisions about who gets debate coverage and who does not.

Abomination.


Again, point me to a time when that was not the case.

Are you referring solely to Fox News, or to the broadcast networks generally. All of the networks decide what news to cover, and how much ccoverage to give it, and all of them slant that coverage.

The Media Research Council has a very right-wing mindset, so I approach anything they report with that bias firmly in mind. Nonetheless, they often accurately demonstrate the differing biases in network coverage of candidates and their plusses or minuses. What I find surprising is how often the "Three Blind Mice" don't act in unison. Often, one of the three will spend five minutes or more covering a story the other two don't mention. The one constant, however, is the likelihood that none will cover anything substantively relating to any negative aspect of Hillary Clinton's candidacy.

John
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 28, 2016 - 11:56am PT
John posted
The one constant, however, is the likelihood that none will cover anything substantively relating to any negative aspect of Hillary Clinton's candidacy.

John, I don't know why you must constantly mar your otherwise rational arguments with assertions so asinine. Surely, you must be delusional.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 28, 2016 - 12:38pm PT
John posted
The one constant, however, is the likelihood that none will cover anything substantively relating to any negative aspect of Hillary Clinton's candidacy.

John, I don't know why you must constantly mar your otherwise rational arguments with assertions so asinine. Surely, you must be delusional.

You mean why I make factual assertions that you could refute if they were false? MRC gives daily transcripts of reporting they see as biased against conservative views. Again, I always take what they say with a salt lick, but I haven't seen a refutation about the ABC, CBS and NBC choices of what they cover concerning Hillary Clinton. If what MRC alleges about the Hillary Clinton coverage is untrue, I'm sure someone can provide the counterargument.

https://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.partner=sbc&.rand=al878esa6e6p6#mail

John
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jan 28, 2016 - 03:26pm PT
hey pyro: My climbing credentials exist. You're just too lazy/dumb to find them. Send me enough cash & I'll help you locate the evidence that has already been provided.

By the way, was that picture of you nailing your claimed 8000th ascent of that route that goes clean (with your hands covered with 10 rolls of tape) actually Photoshopped?

Also, if you ever post some thoughts connected to this thread that don't appear to be written by a 4 year old crackhead, I just might stop figuring that you're the dumbest poster (and poser) I've ever encountered on Supertopo. No, that's not fair - you're tied with that other micro-penis who figures exclamation marks function as an effective substitute for intelligence. Is he your twin brother?
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 28, 2016 - 06:18pm PT
y the way, was that picture of you nailing your claimed 8000th ascent of that route that goes clean

Trollcunting STEWART The Tis-sa-sack route on the Half dome is quite the TROPHY for an Novice climber maybe you should go climb it then come back and tell me how RAD you are..
I'm better than YOU!

that me holding an APPLE PIPE!
SCORED some good BUD today so I thought of this picture and you Steward!
Jorroh

climber
Jan 28, 2016 - 06:49pm PT
""Well, THEY DID IT TOO!""

Yeah, John does that a lot. Once you start to notice it, it gets pretty funny.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 28, 2016 - 06:54pm PT
Pyro is our Narcissistic personality disorder poster child

a lack or morality, lack of conscience, lack of empathy, and an overpowering sense of entitlement. These people will lie, cheat, steal, manipulate, blame, and do whatever it takes to get benefit for themselves.

I'm better than YOU!

Now who are you better than?
Are you better than Largo?
Are you better than Trump?

You have to have NPD to claim your better than anyone, seriously

you should check into some info on NPD, maybe it will help
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 28, 2016 - 06:59pm PT
AND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The F-ing word "Pipefitter" is a real word

it describes a person the connects pipes with fittings

So you only get one word,
please repeat it as much as possible
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 28, 2016 - 07:08pm PT
SCORED some good BUD today so I thought of this picture and you FRY FRY

The F-ing word "Pipefitter" is a real word

yeah I'm The Inventor.. also this

Trollcunting

YOU Liberals Heads are going to EXploDe!

edit:

Better than YOU!
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Jan 28, 2016 - 07:10pm PT
psychopathic behavior

A pipefitter is a tradesperson who installs, assembles, fabricates, maintains and repairs mechanical piping systems. Pipefitters usually begin as helpers or apprentices. Journeyman pipefitters deal with industrial/commercial/marine piping and heating/cooling systems.

a truly moronic claim

have you heard of Google?
apparently not
pyro

Big Wall climber
Calabasas
Jan 28, 2016 - 07:14pm PT
a truly moronic claim

have you heard of Goggle?
apparently not

Dude when you publish new words go to the WORLD..
Stewart

Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
Jan 28, 2016 - 07:17pm PT
pyro: You pathetic little boy... I've already told you I have no intention of getting into a pissing contest with with you.

Have you considered opening your very own thread so that you can spew to your hearts content all about your amazing novice climbing deeds? If some day in the distant future you mature enough to become an experienced climber, you'll learn that real climbers don't have such pathetically lame egos.

Now, can you say something intelligent for the first time in you life about the subject of this thread, which is your hero Trump?

...who truly is an evil piece of sh#t.

Bushman

Social climber
Elk Grove, California
Jan 29, 2016 - 09:19am PT
Trump-a-Bot

Our new president announced today computer minds were on the way
All connected to the Trümp-a-net I heard it's coming any day
The procedure will be painless I won't remember anyway
Line up for your Brain-ectomy it's mandatory now they say

There were protests and rallies right before they swore him in
And most of his supporters already had an implant in
Now my sacred first amendment has gone into the drink
They took away my brain today I'm not allowed to think

But the right to shoot my neighbor well preserved now to be sure
To determine if their loyalty to God and Donald's pure
And I know that I'll get 'fired' if I don't become a fink
Go figure that without a brain I'm not allowed to think

With my jackboots and my Mossberg and a souped up SUV
With the spotlight and my Kevlar I'll be well prepared to be
Rounding up illegals and deporting them I think
If only I had half a brain I know that this would stink

They took out all my brains today and put me in a box
I'm a mindless corporate minion who would never say it sucks
'Cause now I can go gambling and I can freely roam
The casino Trump erected after bulldozing my home

-bushman
01/29/2017

HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Jan 29, 2016 - 09:41am PT
They took out all my brains today

+1
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Jan 29, 2016 - 09:44am PT
I've never understood why a Canadian gives a damn about internal American politics.

Especially when most Americans can't name the King, Queen, or Jack of Canada if their lives depended on it.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 29, 2016 - 09:47am PT
Yeah I can't imagine why Canadians care about their only physical neighbor, largest trading partner and primary source of defense. It boggles the mind.
dirtbag

climber
Jan 29, 2016 - 09:50am PT
Especially when most Americans can't name the King, Queen, or Jack of Canada if their lives depended on it.

Duh, it's Shania Twain.
Gary

Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
Jan 29, 2016 - 10:21am PT
I've never understood why a Canadian gives a damn about internal American politics.

That's easy. One of their queen's subjects is running for president.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jan 29, 2016 - 10:47am PT
-bushman
01/29/2017

Was this intentional -- i.e. what we would be saying if (heaven forbid) he won the election? If not, I wouldn't admit it, because your poetry accurately reflects the level of disenchantment with reality needed to elect him.

I also must admit, though, that the last few posts (including Chaz's original about the King, Queen and Jack) were generally brilliant, but I particularly enjoyed Gary's.

John

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jan 29, 2016 - 10:51am PT
Everyone knows Celine Dion is the Queen of Canada.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Topic Author's Reply - May 21, 2016 - 10:40pm PT
Trump is the greatest threat America has ever faced.

Greater than even the SHRUB.

I really really wish I were joking. Honestly so sad we have ever sunk this low as to have a POS like this running as a serious candidate.

It is like a nightmare..where you wake up and it's actually real.
dirtbag

climber
May 21, 2016 - 10:53pm PT
I think you're right.

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
May 21, 2016 - 11:56pm PT
How's that prediction of JEleazarions from page one working out?

Nightmare for sure.
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
May 22, 2016 - 07:06am PT
It is like a nightmare..where you wake up and it's actually real.

How far does it have to go for people to realize that it is all a fiction.
You really think it matters who you vote for?
Do you really think it matters who the president is?
Just look at the last 8 years. Exactly 0 of the reasons I voted for Obama came to fruition. I feel totally betrayed.
Of course even in that election (2008), there was no choice for peace (unless you count Ron Paul).
Our government is completely corrupted. It is now only a tool of big corporate interests.
All this election stuff is just theater. A distraction from the real issues.
Stop waiting for the government to get its act together.
Its time for people to start taking care of themselves, and standing up for their true interests.
Stop letting the mainstream media set the agenda.

Trump is the ultimate troll, and too mny are swallowing it all- hook, line, and sinker . . .
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
May 22, 2016 - 07:28am PT
More Talking Heads, less gloom & doom!


"And when they're asking for volunteers
We'll be the first ones aboard
And when the ringmaster calls our names
We'll be the first ones to go ... to sleep"

[Click to View YouTube Video]
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
May 22, 2016 - 07:38am PT
It's pretty obvious Trump will be our next commander in chief.
I guess those that hate him so much should think about relocating.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
May 22, 2016 - 08:02am PT
He might be the commander in chief of some island inhabited by racist, bigoted kooks like himself, but certainly not the United States. There are just not enough angry white men.
Reeotch

climber
4 Corners Area
May 22, 2016 - 10:14am PT
I don't know about that, guess we'll see soon enough.
Can't wait for the October surprise!
Majid_S

Mountain climber
Karkoekstan
May 22, 2016 - 10:36am PT
I love trump
he is a true American man
he represent NRA
he will bring Jesus back to bible belt
he will hang ISIS and those stupid Muslims
he will bring jobs to Detroit and build a wall in Mexico
he will kill wall street and those bankers
he stops poverty in America
he will educate all of you


you see, you are his bitch and you will vote for him so just say, "Don is my Daddy"

photo was taken today from heart of silicon valley


pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
May 22, 2016 - 11:38am PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
May 22, 2016 - 11:44am PT
It is like a nightmare..where you wake up and it's actually real.

How far does it have to go for people to realize that it is all a fiction.
You really think it matters who you vote for?
Do you really think it matters who the president is?
Just look at the last 8 years. Exactly 0 of the reasons I voted for Obama came to fruition. I feel totally betrayed.
Of course even in that election (2008), there was no choice for peace (unless you count Ron Paul).
Our government is completely corrupted. It is now only a tool of big corporate interests.
All this election stuff is just theater. A distraction from the real issues.
Stop waiting for the government to get its act together.
Its time for people to start taking care of themselves, and standing up for their true interests.
Stop letting the mainstream media set the agenda.

Trump is the ultimate troll, and too mny are swallowing it all- hook, line, and sinker . . .

It's easy to do when most of the world get's their "news" from the idiot-box's various propaganda channels, all tuned to give one the impression there are different viewpoints. (i.e. Nytimes vs. Fox)

It's a 24x7 stream of bullsh!t right out of Orwell's mind.

Few have been taught the importance of critical thinking when they were young, hence the dilemma.

c wilmot

climber
May 22, 2016 - 11:59am PT
the most distubing thing about this election to me is seeing two longtime friends and lifelong democrats pretending to be having an election when the 1% already won months ago and the US public still cant see it.


Like Kerry vs Bush it does not matter who wins

both are close friends and part of the 1%

America already lost
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
May 22, 2016 - 04:14pm PT
Isn't a scrawny, skinny, little pop star Canada's King?

I belieb that's the case.

I've been wrong about things before.
dirtbag

climber
May 22, 2016 - 04:22pm PT
People who say they are the same are very ignorant.
Escopeta

Trad climber
Idaho
May 22, 2016 - 04:47pm PT
People who think they are different in any meaningful way are very deluded
Ghost

climber
A long way from where I started
May 22, 2016 - 05:19pm PT
Isn't a scrawny, skinny, little pop star Canada's King?

No. It's Ricky and Julian who are P and VP. Bubbles is Secretary of State.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
May 22, 2016 - 05:21pm PT
People who think trump is qualified for the presidency are very deluded

Fixed that for you...
madbolter1

Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
May 22, 2016 - 06:26pm PT
No. It's Ricky and Julian who are P and VP. Bubbles is Secretary of State.

Thank you for clearing that up for me. I didn't have a high measure of confidence in my beliebing, but, well, that's what beliebing is about, you know, low measure of confidence.

Anyway, I stand corrected and thankfully so.

Maybe there's a bit of hope for the Canucks after all.
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
May 22, 2016 - 10:00pm PT
yup evil.
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
May 22, 2016 - 11:27pm PT
On some things they are very similar. Big money for instance.

But there are major differences. McCain wouldn't have passed Obamacare. Without Obama's SC picks,no gay marriage.
I don't think Gore would have invaded Iraq.
Hillary will do more on climate change than Trump.
pud

climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
May 23, 2016 - 07:58am PT
Hillary will use more of your tax dollars for the climate change scam than Trump.
dirtbag

climber
May 23, 2016 - 10:19am PT
Good.

monolith

climber
state of being
May 23, 2016 - 10:23am PT
Trump acknowledges climate change at his golf course so he can get a wall built.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/donald-trump-climate-change-golf-course-223436

The irony, it burns.
dirtbag

climber
May 23, 2016 - 10:43am PT
Pud if you have evidence showing it is a scam then I strongly encourage you to publish the data and your conclusions in a peer reviewed scientific journal. That would be big news indeed!
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
May 23, 2016 - 11:06am PT
The scam might be the research dollars spent on science that's already settled.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 23, 2016 - 01:29pm PT
Now it's settled?

Seems like just last week you guys were saying it's a hoax.

It's so hard to keep up with your 'reality'.
ß Î Ø T Ç H

Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
Feb 4, 2017 - 11:19pm PT
couchmaster

climber
Feb 5, 2017 - 08:21am PT
New film, "Biff Gets elected President 2"

"You all talking about Biff? Haters gonna hate. Here's the story.
"In an interview with the Daily Beast, trilogy co-writer Bob Gale revealed that the surly Biff was inspired by real estate mogul and Republican presidential contender Donald Trump."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/22/donald-trump-inspired-back-to-the-future-bully-bif/

HAHAHAHA!!! MCFLY!!!! MCFLY!!!! HELLO MCFLY!!!!"


I think I've seen that MCFLY tweet at least 5 times since the swearing in.

couchmaster

climber
Feb 5, 2017 - 08:23am PT


Stay turned for the ominous "Biff Gets His Tiny Finger on the Button"....which will be the last film ever made.

Ever
nita

Social climber
chica de chico, I don't claim to be a daisy.
Feb 5, 2017 - 11:00am PT
*
*

[Click to View YouTube Video]
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Feb 5, 2017 - 11:13am PT
Great post Nita, history really does repeat.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 5, 2017 - 11:22am PT
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 5, 2017 - 02:16pm PT
Hillary will use more of your tax dollars for the climate change scam than Trump.

Washington Times: Obama’s Hawaii Christmas vacations cost taxpayers $35 million over 8 years

WaPo: Eric Trump’s business trip to Uruguay cost taxpayers $97,830 in hotel bills

We will spend more money protecting trumpcos' many, many vacations and junkets than the last six presidents combined.

[ P.S. the thread title is demeaning to sh#t everywhere... ]
WBraun

climber
Feb 5, 2017 - 02:27pm PT
This is how you insane people interpret this garbage:

This criminal is worst than that criminal was ......
Don Paul

Big Wall climber
Denver CO
Feb 5, 2017 - 03:41pm PT
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 5, 2017 - 03:54pm PT
^^^^^ love it!
dhayan

climber
culver city, ca
Feb 6, 2017 - 07:47am PT
LOL!
David Knopp

Trad climber
CA
Feb 6, 2017 - 08:30am PT
love this game.
Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 6, 2017 - 10:01am PT
David Knopp

Trad climber
CA
Feb 7, 2017 - 08:31am PT
http://doonaldjtrump.com

this is pretty creepy
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 7, 2017 - 08:58am PT
Donald TrumpleThinSkin is the worst person the United States ever put up for the presidency.
But don't worry, the duck says we're all stupid.
WBraun

climber
Feb 7, 2017 - 09:05am PT
Repeating yourself over and over and the need to blaming a duck for your own daily stoopid behavior here definitely shows you're stoopid .....
survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Feb 7, 2017 - 09:06am PT
Quack.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Feb 7, 2017 - 09:21am PT
Holy claw foot tub quote of the week:

Repeating yourself over and over and the need to blaming a duck for your own daily stoopid behavior here definitely shows you're stoopid .....

hahaha, man the irony won't translate to the entry readers of the ill esteemed Guild of Claw Foot Tub builder/Enthusiasts but dang, thanks for the laughs...!!
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Feb 7, 2017 - 10:33am PT
Meet your new Secretary of Education.

Wade Icey

Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
Feb 7, 2017 - 11:25am PT
I guess that was your last ride on the short bus, Sketch. Hopefully you failed to reproduce because...well..f*#k 'em....

skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Feb 7, 2017 - 11:46am PT
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKK!!!! to both photos...
kunlun_shan

Mountain climber
SF, CA
Feb 7, 2017 - 12:05pm PT
It will be hilarious if SNL accepts Rosie O'Donnell's offer to play Steve Bannon :)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/02/07/rosie-odonnell-as-steve-bannon-snl-could-really-make-trump-angry-if-it-wanted-to
August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Feb 7, 2017 - 03:13pm PT

Don, I don't think so.

Try:

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Feb 7, 2017 - 03:40pm PT
Well, offhand, I would say the c*#ks@cker could stop selling out the nation and lying to the American people on a daily basis.
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