Erik Sloan Arrested???

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tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Nov 21, 2015 - 07:11am PT

Shnider manned up and apologized.

HermitMaster

Social climber

my abode

Nov 21, 2015 - 07:13am PT

Yes, Grossman doesn't come off too well on this issue.

Seems like the bully who will never admit he's wrong.

I didn't see that at all.

Steve gave his opinion and everybody jumped on board...

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Nov 21, 2015 - 07:15am PT

WOS.....the story that just will not go away. A story with wings.

donini

Trad climber

Ouray, Colorado

Nov 21, 2015 - 07:53am PT

Wow....I read the posts on this thread that drifted to WOS. Steve Grossman has strong opinions which he stated with mild, appropriate language and was immediately accused of "trash talking." there seems to be a strong "politically correct" filter on ST whenever this never ending saga comes up.

There is quite a lot of trash talking that goes on here....enough so that we don't have to use the term when it isn't justified.

Contractor

Boulder climber

Nov 21, 2015 - 08:06am PT

Steve Irwin-Whoa!

Just from a scientific observation, you nailed it!

I have a robust imagination and the picture you paint has me a little queezy.

The old, under-appreciated climber with deformed toes from decades of climbing, ripe with dermatophyte-ridden crusty, amber toenails protruding from the $7.88 Rite Aid house slippers, frantically, punching away at the virus riddled computer with single index fingers and a light dusting of dandruff snow on the keyboard.

Enraged at the feverish little gnome adding a bolt here and a bolt there, rendering their namesake test pieces into hang-dog projects for the aspiring gym climber.

All the while, that gnome lies in bed at night, unifying his marketing strategy to increase demand, expand the consumer base, decrease his liability and cloak these efforts with the good work of replacing aged hardware- all to make a buck, perhaps.

The sad thing for the old boar is, he can only spin tall tales now, because we will never really know how good he was on his best day- the little gnome has carelessly whipped away his work forever.

Vitaliy M.

Mountain climber

San Francisco

Nov 21, 2015 - 08:58am PT

Wings of Woot!

sempervirens

climber

Nov 21, 2015 - 11:36am PT

Nah, he said a lot of negative things about them and their route. And the best reason he came up with is they didn't show respect. But really (just my opinion, I know) they were minding their own business while others were dissing them. I don't think anyone here or in the movie (including Steve)has disagreed that they weren't bothering anyone. And Steve goes on disparaging them. Disagreeing with Steve has nothing to do with political correctness. "Political correctness" is a silly tactic being thrown around too much, it's lost logical meaning - it's arguing semantics instead of issues.

I should be working, but I like discussing this stuff on-line for fun. I used to do crossword puzzles before I discovered supertopo.

deuce4

climber

Hobart, Australia

Nov 21, 2015 - 04:10pm PT

Weird to find the WOS dead cat continue to be beaten on this slander thread.

Or perhaps not.

Steve, your persistence in this opinion:

Believe what you wish but the vast majority of the hooking on this climb is enhanced IMO.

(Steve Grossman)

...really does seem absurd. Ammon is a bad ass, he's been up there, and he didn't seem to think most placements were enhanced.

If you don't believe Ammon, or think that he somehow isn't able to discern a manufactured hook placement, then you really need to get up there and see for yourself.

I'd be inclined to agree with many here, in all due respect, that this is a put up or shut up situation.

(Personally I found no joy when I did get drawn in to clarify the idea of style the way my peer group and I saw it from BITD--mid-80's--though this was never my battle and was before my time as a valley local. Besides, no one seems to care, and there's amazing new stuff being done in climbing all the time. I do sincerely hope you can sometime come to peace with your ongoing concern for that particular one of a hundred El Cap routes done so long ago).

tradmanclimbs

Ice climber

Pomfert VT

Nov 21, 2015 - 08:57pm PT

+10 for duece.

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Nov 22, 2015 - 06:05am PT

I'd trust my horse's life to that.

martygarrison

Trad climber

Washington DC

Nov 22, 2015 - 07:21am PT

So has Erik Sloan been arrested?

Wade Icey

Trad climber

www.alohashirtrescue.com

Nov 22, 2015 - 07:23am PT

only developmentally.

GDavis

Social climber

SOL CAL

Nov 22, 2015 - 09:33am PT

some good zingers in this thread. I'm proud of each and every one of you.

Lurkingtard

climber

Nov 22, 2015 - 09:38am PT

Nov 21, 2015 - 04:10pm PT
Weird to find the WOS dead cat continue to be beaten on this slander thread.

Or perhaps not.

Steve, your persistence in this opinion:
Believe what you wish but the vast majority of the hooking on this climb is enhanced IMO.
(Steve Grossman)

...really does seem absurd. Ammon is a bad ass, he's been up there, and he didn't seem to think most placements were enhanced.

If you don't believe Ammon, or think that he somehow isn't able to discern a manufactured hook placement, then you really need to get up there and see for yourself.

I'd be inclined to agree with many here, in all due respect, that this is a put up or shut up situation.

(Personally I found no joy when I did get drawn in to clarify the idea of style the way my peer group and I saw it from BITD--mid-80's--though this was never my battle and was before my time as a valley local. Besides, no one seems to care, and there's amazing new stuff being done in climbing all the time. I do sincerely hope you can sometime come to peace with your ongoing concern for that particular one of a hundred El Cap routes done so long ago).

ElCapPirate

Big Wall climber

Ogden, Utah

Nov 24, 2015 - 11:02am PT

Really? WoS again? Haha!

Just to clarify a few comments about me. I never said I didn't see enhanced hooks. I said the route is technical and not at all a rivet/hole ladder like it looks on the Donny Reid topo. It looks like a blank slab but I was continually impressed that it actually did follow features and wasn't what I'd been told it was, for years.

At this point, it's hard to tell who enhanced what since there's been at least three other attempts on the lower pitches. I do however, believe Mark and Richard's account of what went down on the FA.

One of the biggest reasons for this is simple. Why would they enhance hooks on the upper pitches when they didn't on the first pitch? Which is pretty much the mental crux of the route. It doesn't coincide with some of what I saw above.

If you want to get a taste of what this route is all about, go climb the first pitch. It's as easy as that. I actually reclimbed the first pitch for Jeff and the film. It took me around an hour and a half, it's nothing too crazy... but, it will definitely get your attention.

SG, I feel its futile addressing you, but... Are you seriously trying to damage my credibility by noting the amount of days it took me? Well, I was having a good time up there and would have gone slower, if at all possible. Funny how you slander me for going too fast on routes and now... too slow.

I'll tell you what... How about we rope up for WoS in a push? We can break up the blocks any way you'd like as long as you get the first one.

Come on, this will be fun! ;-) Tell me when and I'm there.

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber

like Ontario, Canada, eh?

Nov 24, 2015 - 11:36am PT

"I'll tell you what [Steve Grossman]... How about we rope up for WoS in a push? We can break up the blocks any way you'd like as long as you get the first one.

Come on, this will be fun! ;-) Tell me when and I'm there."

Dang. Now THERE is an offer!!

madbolter1

Big Wall climber

Denver, CO

Nov 24, 2015 - 11:49am PT

SG = Yak, yak, yakkkkk!

He lacks the huevos to make good on his endlessly-repeated assertions that he was going to do it. All bluster and....

Yak, yak, yakkkkk.

Ammon, if it's as easy as he says, and you're as incompetent as he says, you should let him lead all the pitches, like you did. That's the only way he can enjoy the full experience and show you how fast you SHOULD have done it. Hehe

The "mighty" (mouthed) SG should bag the whole slab in, say, two or three hours. LOL

mtnyoung

Trad climber

Twain Harte, California

Nov 24, 2015 - 12:17pm PT

I'll tell you what... How about we rope up for WoS in a push? We can break up the blocks any way you'd like as long as you get the first one.

Come on, this will be fun! ;-) Tell me when and I'm there.

Damn. If my El Cap days weren't over (and they are), I'd beg for a chance like that: what a real treat it would be to do El Cap with this "pirate."