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wheatBeer
Social climber
TheBronx
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 18, 2015 - 11:43am PT
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Has Eric Sloan been arrested?
Having read the threads you would have guessed that Jesse had arrested Eric by now.
Any info on this? Whats the status JesseM?
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Nov 18, 2015 - 12:15pm PT
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We don't need the crankloons cranklooning our bolts!
Fing American crankloons don't know s&%t about bolting!
Stupid Americans and their proxy wars.
Crankloons I say!!!
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Nov 18, 2015 - 12:42pm PT
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Man, I would totally have a thing for more magistrates if they all wore such hottt lace.
And yeah DMT, my thought too
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cavemonkey
Ice climber
ak
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Nov 18, 2015 - 12:56pm PT
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crankaloon sounds awwwwfully close to chickaloon
easy now fellas
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MikeMc
Social climber
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Nov 18, 2015 - 01:31pm PT
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Did someone say lace?
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canyoncat
Social climber
SoCal
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Nov 18, 2015 - 03:24pm PT
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He'd probably ask them to apply some filters and send that mugshot to instagram *woot woot*
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 18, 2015 - 04:05pm PT
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Hilulzious!!!!!!!!
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Nov 18, 2015 - 05:35pm PT
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Institutionalized crankloon woot!
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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Nov 18, 2015 - 05:37pm PT
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bump because crankloon might be the ST word of the year.
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Justin Sanchez
Big Wall climber
Valley
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:20pm PT
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You guys are all verginas! Because; you don't climb, and are not at all know in the Yosemite climbing scene (present day). Perhaps ya'll sent the general Valley bullshit way back when but let's get real.. if ya'lls were out climbing! Right climbing, as opposed to being internet slobs you may or may not find something better to do than slander a person who has done way more wall routes than you.
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Lurkingtard
climber
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:32pm PT
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No need to get dirty, Sanchez.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:41pm PT
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To answer the question- Absolutely, somewhere in his early teenage years I suspect and now he's our JAIL BITCH.
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:46pm PT
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 18, 2015 - 08:41pm PT
To answer the question- Absolutely, somewhere in his early teenage years I suspect and now he's our JAIL BITCH.
Whoa.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:48pm PT
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Nellie...
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Justin Sanchez
Big Wall climber
Valley
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:55pm PT
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Grossman put up Wings of steel. Is that right?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 18, 2015 - 08:58pm PT
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Nope, it's left of my efforts.
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Justin Sanchez
Big Wall climber
Valley
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Nov 18, 2015 - 09:11pm PT
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Well played no doubt! im asking this humbly Steve; would you climb wings if those guys climbed Jolly?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 18, 2015 - 09:21pm PT
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No interest in doing that route as drilled hooks aren't my style.
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overwatch
climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 06:03am PT
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Drilled hooks? Didn't Ammon say otherwise?
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 19, 2015 - 06:38am PT
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Drilled hooks? Didn't Ammon say otherwise?
Put on your PC. Drilled hooks is now called "micro-enhancements", a technique used by the "naturally challenged" to force routes across blank sections of long routes.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 19, 2015 - 10:31am PT
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Believe what you wish but the vast majority of the hooking on this climb is enhanced IMO. Go back and find Ammon's topo if you are curious about the climbing. The party that was on the route ahead of Ammon and Kait blew right on up the first five pitches in a half day and called the climbing they found unremarkable and no harder than modern A3+. They would have reached the top of the Great Slab at the end of a single day when Ammon took ten so bear that in mind. These guys used the same hooks that the FA party did and had no real problem.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Nov 19, 2015 - 12:42pm PT
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^^ O'Really,Steve? ?
I believe Steve is not merely aging, but actually retired.
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Martinez, CA
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Nov 19, 2015 - 01:13pm PT
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Shameless plug to watch the WOS movie. It's available to stream everywhere, buy, rent, watch for free. All good
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Nov 19, 2015 - 01:27pm PT
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Yep. Only people currently climbing walls are allowed to have and opinion on people adding bolts wherever they see fit on existing routes, even free routes.
Makes perfect sense.
Anybody with any climbing experience can recognize a clusterf*ck when they see it. Some just choose to rationalize it.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nov 19, 2015 - 01:31pm PT
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To paraphrase Sir Winston:
"Nevah in the field of human conflict were so many pixels wasted by so
many on such a one."
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overwatch
climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 02:08pm PT
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Anyway who hasn't been?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 19, 2015 - 02:20pm PT
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Like I said, believe what you wish...
I'm still at it Pete, doing those perilous free climbs from which you retired long ago...
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 19, 2015 - 03:00pm PT
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My favorite part has always been where Steve refers to the absence of evidence to support his position as though it actually is the very evidence that any rational person should "just know" is there.
Steve, flat out, you repeatedly claimed that you were going to climb it and prove to the world what a drilled-up POS it is. Then, when pushed to actually DO what you said, you started a litany of excuses and (to use your favorite word) obfuscations about why you can't be bothered to "waste your precious time." LOL
Okay, you're still lying about the route, in the face of the evidence, so it's time for you to make good on your assurances that you CAN even DO the route. You're "still at it," so you tell Pete. So, either put up or shut up. With your amazing prowess (that is SO far beyond that hoser Ammon's, as you assert), you should be able to whip up it in an afternoon. How much "precious time" can that waste?
No more excuses. Put up or shut up.
Tell us all the "truth" about it.
Edit: Meanwhile, keep TALKING! Your credibility just shines the more you TALK. ROFL
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Nov 19, 2015 - 03:26pm PT
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Unless Ammon has attained Canadian citizenship, or at the very least turned in his pirate hat for a toque, he is knott a Hoser, eh?
Beauty rant, Richard.
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spectreman
Trad climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 03:36pm PT
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
Nov 19, 2015 - 10:31am PT
Believe what you wish but the vast majority of the hooking on this climb is enhanced IMO. Go back and find Ammon's topo if you are curious about the climbing. The party that was on the route ahead of Ammon and Kait blew right on up the first five pitches in a half day and called the climbing they found unremarkable and no harder than modern A3+. They would have reached the top of the Great Slab at the end of a single day when Ammon took ten so bear that in mind. These guys used the same hooks that the FA party did and had no real problem.
So, you're not only trash talking about the first ascent party on WOS but you're also saying that Ammon is an incompetent aid climber. Ammon took 10 days on the hooking/Great slab pitches compared to the unknown team that "would" have made it in a single day.
I find this hard to believe.
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 19, 2015 - 03:51pm PT
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Stay tuned...
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Nov 19, 2015 - 03:56pm PT
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Damn, I love the smell of a thread metastasizing in the morning.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Nov 19, 2015 - 06:00pm PT
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^^^^^
Why isn't Wings of Steel on there? He has the speed record on that too :)
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MisterE
Gym climber
Small Town with a Big Back Yard
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Nov 19, 2015 - 06:56pm PT
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Damn funny, limpingcrab.
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Martinez, CA
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Nov 19, 2015 - 07:13pm PT
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Next July marks the 5th anniversary of Ammon and Kait's ascent. Probably a thousand people have walked beneath that route since then and as far as I know, NO ONE has attempted a 3rd ascent. That should say something.
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OR
Trad climber
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Nov 19, 2015 - 07:24pm PT
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That was 5 years ago? Krikey times a flying.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 19, 2015 - 08:21pm PT
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That should say something.
It says that everybody has been so deferring to SG, KNOWING that the third ascent is HIS, that they've been waiting for him to man up and DO what he repeatedly assured us all he would do.
The whole slab was his to begin with, and the madbolters' great sin was to not defer to him to begin with. People have learned their lesson from watching our experience. So, now everybody is waiting with bated breath for THE SG ASCENT....
when he's going to show everybody how it should have been done....
34 years ago.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 19, 2015 - 08:27pm PT
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Before Ammon's ascent you could've tied off and equalized about 10,000 caterpillers and had them drag you up and still get the speed record...
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 08:42am PT
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Here you are.
calder
Big Wall climber
Park City, Utah
Nov 22, 2009 - 01:08am PT
wow, who knew that a 13 pitch variation could warrant so much attention! I've read just a few of the threads and can clearly tell that I don't have the tenacity to sift through all of this information. Are there cliff notes available for the WOS web saga? For what its worth, this is what I know about the route. In June of 1996 Tim Wagner, Kevin Thaw, and myself climbed the first 5 pitches in a failed one day attempt. I don't remember a whole lot about it other than we started at 5:30 am and were on top of the fifth pitch by early afternoon...there were a few whippers to be had, the z-macks and rusty bat heads were frustrating. If I remember correctly, there was some sporty/tricky hooking sections, but nothing that I would consider crazy.
Calder
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 08:46am PT
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THe Historian has spoken!
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 20, 2015 - 09:07am PT
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with a lil
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 20, 2015 - 09:18am PT
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nothing that I would consider crazy
Soooo.... Steve, since you now know the story, you have NO excuse to not make good on your repeated assertions that YOU were going to whip up it and tell us all the real story. From the sounds of it, you could definitely be up the slab in an afternoon.
You keep talking and talking, but climbing is about doing.
You keep talking and talking about a route we DID.
I'm seriously still game, good buddy. Chose the El Cap route you want me to do, and I'll do that while you do WoS. You know you wanna! You keep talkin' and talkin' and talkin'....
It doesn't even have to be one of yours (although, how could it NOT be, with your ego?).
Oh, be sure to file that snippet you got away in your library, climbing librarian that you are.
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overwatch
climber
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Nov 20, 2015 - 09:25am PT
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You guys should do WOS together
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Nov 20, 2015 - 09:32am PT
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Climbing something with a negative preconception is pointless in my book. By focussing on what's wrong with the climb, you really are Climbing for the wrong reasons and wasting a day(or ten) of climbing. Now arguing about a climb you've heard about on the internet, that's the point of life.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Nov 20, 2015 - 09:44am PT
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Ho man, WOS again?
Really?
I hear it was done by Syrians,...
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 11:26am PT
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I was simply answering a question which is as far as my interest goes in you or WOS since Jeff's film came out as you may have noticed. So bluster on Bwana because I have clearly wasted far too much time and energy on you already. You need a lot of attention and I simply am not going to provide you with it. Believe what you like and say what you will.
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sempervirens
climber
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Nov 20, 2015 - 11:41am PT
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What's Jenkin's beef with Grossman so spicy for?
A lot of years of sh#t talking simply because two dudes put up a route without getting someone's else's blessing. Wouldn't that piss you off?
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 11:46am PT
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Watch Jeff's film, it's all there if you are curious. Sounds like interest is slowing if he is giving it away these days.
Jeff- How many copies actually sold?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 20, 2015 - 12:46pm PT
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Believe what you like and say what you will.
The height of irony, coming from you.
I don't say anything about the route unless as necessary to respond to YOU climbing out from under your rock now and again to pop off with yet more of your uniformed, lying BS.
ACTUAL history hasn't sustained your perspective.
Doesn't stop you from yet more yak, yak, yak. Really, it's pretty pathetic.
Librarian you are, and librarian you will always be.
If you ever want to stop yakking and do some doing, my challenge stands. Otherwise, you have zero credibility, and I'll leave you to keep yakking.
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overwatch
climber
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Nov 20, 2015 - 01:18pm PT
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Nice rant Steve, miss you buddy. I will never forget the episode when you made your girlfriend solo and made her cry
Yep saw it too totally agree
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv
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sempervirens
climber
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Nov 20, 2015 - 01:22pm PT
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Watch Jeff's film, it's all there if you are curious. Sounds like interest is slowing if he is giving it away these days.
Watched it, good movie. It presented the arguments well and seemed very fair. Based on that and all of the WoS threads here on ST, well, Steve, I think you owe them an apology. They were good guys going climbing. If respect is the important matter, someone involved is lacking it.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 01:26pm PT
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"All politics are local"
I guess so...
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Alpamayo
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 02:18pm PT
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Watch Jeff's film, it's all there if you are curious.
Watched it..and you don't come off looking so good.
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Lurkingtard
climber
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Nov 20, 2015 - 03:54pm PT
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I have nothing but respect for Grossman routes but little as a person. Listening to him say they would just let them die up there. What a d#@&%e bag. Mad respect for guys like shooppi and Ammon. Those guys have class.
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Lurkingtard
climber
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Nov 20, 2015 - 04:07pm PT
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It's worth a watch. At least if you followed any of the ST drama about it.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 20, 2015 - 07:50pm PT
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Respect...Historian...Credibility...Steve Grossman...LOL.
dude, you're shitting on your own legacy. sad.
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 20, 2015 - 09:27pm PT
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He needs to relax. Between this, and anger over affirmation action, dude's gonna blow a gasket!
Oh don't worry about him. He's filled with passion on lots of subjects. He blows gaskets all the time too. In a good way. But it's OK; he buys them by the gross man (pun intended).
What's Jenkin's beef with Grossman so spicy for?
A lot of years of sh#t talking simply because two dudes put up a route without getting someone's else's blessing. Wouldn't that piss you off?
Pretty succinct wrap up of thousands of posts.
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Tom
Big Wall climber
San Luis Obispo CA
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Nov 20, 2015 - 09:48pm PT
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Steve Grossman is like Fidel Castro.
He is so invested in how he defines himself, he rallies on, even when it becomes ridiculous and ludicrous to continue. Having painted himself into a corner, he is trapped by his own words, and can't bring himself to admit he was wrong. Or, at least, to admit that his present position is untenable.
At least Castro had the sense to bow out, and let his brother open relations with the U.S.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Nov 21, 2015 - 07:02am PT
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He is so invested in how he defines himself, he rallies on, even when it becomes ridiculous and ludicrous to continue. Having painted himself into a corner, he is trapped by his own words, and can't bring himself to admit he was wrong. Or, at least, to admit that his present position is untenable.
true. makes him seem like a d#@&%ebag. it doesnt matter what he f*#king climbed, still a d#@&%e.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Nov 21, 2015 - 07:11am PT
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Shnider manned up and apologized.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Nov 21, 2015 - 07:13am PT
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Yes, Grossman doesn't come off too well on this issue.
Seems like the bully who will never admit he's wrong.
I didn't see that at all.
Steve gave his opinion and everybody jumped on board...
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 21, 2015 - 07:15am PT
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WOS.....the story that just will not go away. A story with wings.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 21, 2015 - 07:53am PT
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Wow....I read the posts on this thread that drifted to WOS. Steve Grossman has strong opinions which he stated with mild, appropriate language and was immediately accused of "trash talking." there seems to be a strong "politically correct" filter on ST whenever this never ending saga comes up.
There is quite a lot of trash talking that goes on here....enough so that we don't have to use the term when it isn't justified.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Nov 21, 2015 - 08:06am PT
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Steve Irwin-Whoa!
Just from a scientific observation, you nailed it!
I have a robust imagination and the picture you paint has me a little queezy.
The old, under-appreciated climber with deformed toes from decades of climbing, ripe with dermatophyte-ridden crusty, amber toenails protruding from the $7.88 Rite Aid house slippers, frantically, punching away at the virus riddled computer with single index fingers and a light dusting of dandruff snow on the keyboard.
Enraged at the feverish little gnome adding a bolt here and a bolt there, rendering their namesake test pieces into hang-dog projects for the aspiring gym climber.
All the while, that gnome lies in bed at night, unifying his marketing strategy to increase demand, expand the consumer base, decrease his liability and cloak these efforts with the good work of replacing aged hardware- all to make a buck, perhaps.
The sad thing for the old boar is, he can only spin tall tales now, because we will never really know how good he was on his best day- the little gnome has carelessly whipped away his work forever.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Nov 21, 2015 - 08:58am PT
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Wings of Woot!
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sempervirens
climber
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Nov 21, 2015 - 11:36am PT
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Wow....I read the posts on this thread that drifted to WOS. Steve Grossman has strong opinions which he stated with mild, appropriate language and was immediately accused of "trash talking." there seems to be a strong "politically correct" filter on ST whenever this never ending saga comes up.
Nah, he said a lot of negative things about them and their route. And the best reason he came up with is they didn't show respect. But really (just my opinion, I know) they were minding their own business while others were dissing them. I don't think anyone here or in the movie (including Steve)has disagreed that they weren't bothering anyone. And Steve goes on disparaging them. Disagreeing with Steve has nothing to do with political correctness. "Political correctness" is a silly tactic being thrown around too much, it's lost logical meaning - it's arguing semantics instead of issues.
I should be working, but I like discussing this stuff on-line for fun. I used to do crossword puzzles before I discovered supertopo.
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deuce4
climber
Hobart, Australia
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Nov 21, 2015 - 04:10pm PT
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Weird to find the WOS dead cat continue to be beaten on this slander thread.
Or perhaps not.
Steve, your persistence in this opinion:
Believe what you wish but the vast majority of the hooking on this climb is enhanced IMO. (Steve Grossman)
...really does seem absurd. Ammon is a bad ass, he's been up there, and he didn't seem to think most placements were enhanced.
If you don't believe Ammon, or think that he somehow isn't able to discern a manufactured hook placement, then you really need to get up there and see for yourself.
I'd be inclined to agree with many here, in all due respect, that this is a put up or shut up situation.
(Personally I found no joy when I did get drawn in to clarify the idea of style the way my peer group and I saw it from BITD--mid-80's--though this was never my battle and was before my time as a valley local. Besides, no one seems to care, and there's amazing new stuff being done in climbing all the time. I do sincerely hope you can sometime come to peace with your ongoing concern for that particular one of a hundred El Cap routes done so long ago).
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Nov 21, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
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+10 for duece.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 22, 2015 - 06:05am PT
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I'd trust my horse's life to that.
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martygarrison
Trad climber
Washington DC
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Nov 22, 2015 - 07:21am PT
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So has Erik Sloan been arrested?
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 22, 2015 - 07:23am PT
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only developmentally.
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Nov 22, 2015 - 09:33am PT
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some good zingers in this thread. I'm proud of each and every one of you.
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Lurkingtard
climber
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Nov 22, 2015 - 09:38am PT
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Nov 21, 2015 - 04:10pm PT
Weird to find the WOS dead cat continue to be beaten on this slander thread.
Or perhaps not.
Steve, your persistence in this opinion:
Believe what you wish but the vast majority of the hooking on this climb is enhanced IMO.
(Steve Grossman)
...really does seem absurd. Ammon is a bad ass, he's been up there, and he didn't seem to think most placements were enhanced.
If you don't believe Ammon, or think that he somehow isn't able to discern a manufactured hook placement, then you really need to get up there and see for yourself.
I'd be inclined to agree with many here, in all due respect, that this is a put up or shut up situation.
(Personally I found no joy when I did get drawn in to clarify the idea of style the way my peer group and I saw it from BITD--mid-80's--though this was never my battle and was before my time as a valley local. Besides, no one seems to care, and there's amazing new stuff being done in climbing all the time. I do sincerely hope you can sometime come to peace with your ongoing concern for that particular one of a hundred El Cap routes done so long ago).
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ElCapPirate
Big Wall climber
Ogden, Utah
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Nov 24, 2015 - 11:02am PT
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Really? WoS again? Haha!
Just to clarify a few comments about me. I never said I didn't see enhanced hooks. I said the route is technical and not at all a rivet/hole ladder like it looks on the Donny Reid topo. It looks like a blank slab but I was continually impressed that it actually did follow features and wasn't what I'd been told it was, for years.
At this point, it's hard to tell who enhanced what since there's been at least three other attempts on the lower pitches. I do however, believe Mark and Richard's account of what went down on the FA.
One of the biggest reasons for this is simple. Why would they enhance hooks on the upper pitches when they didn't on the first pitch? Which is pretty much the mental crux of the route. It doesn't coincide with some of what I saw above.
If you want to get a taste of what this route is all about, go climb the first pitch. It's as easy as that. I actually reclimbed the first pitch for Jeff and the film. It took me around an hour and a half, it's nothing too crazy... but, it will definitely get your attention.
SG, I feel its futile addressing you, but... Are you seriously trying to damage my credibility by noting the amount of days it took me? Well, I was having a good time up there and would have gone slower, if at all possible. Funny how you slander me for going too fast on routes and now... too slow.
I'll tell you what... How about we rope up for WoS in a push? We can break up the blocks any way you'd like as long as you get the first one.
Come on, this will be fun! ;-) Tell me when and I'm there.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Nov 24, 2015 - 11:36am PT
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"I'll tell you what [Steve Grossman]... How about we rope up for WoS in a push? We can break up the blocks any way you'd like as long as you get the first one.
Come on, this will be fun! ;-) Tell me when and I'm there."
Dang. Now THERE is an offer!!
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Nov 24, 2015 - 11:49am PT
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SG = Yak, yak, yakkkkk!
He lacks the huevos to make good on his endlessly-repeated assertions that he was going to do it. All bluster and....
Yak, yak, yakkkkk.
Ammon, if it's as easy as he says, and you're as incompetent as he says, you should let him lead all the pitches, like you did. That's the only way he can enjoy the full experience and show you how fast you SHOULD have done it. Hehe
The "mighty" (mouthed) SG should bag the whole slab in, say, two or three hours. LOL
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mtnyoung
Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
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Nov 24, 2015 - 12:17pm PT
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I'll tell you what... How about we rope up for WoS in a push? We can break up the blocks any way you'd like as long as you get the first one.
Come on, this will be fun! ;-) Tell me when and I'm there.
Damn. If my El Cap days weren't over (and they are), I'd beg for a chance like that: what a real treat it would be to do El Cap with this "pirate."
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 24, 2015 - 12:41pm PT
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Why do you need a Pirate?
Just go up there and climb it.
Aid climbing is in aid ladders.
Even fat over weight out of shape dudes do it .....
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Nov 24, 2015 - 01:07pm PT
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^^ WERNER: Are you calling me FAT??!!!
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Nov 24, 2015 - 01:37pm PT
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Eric Sloan was Arrested for climbing WOS?
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 24, 2015 - 01:40pm PT
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Guess you haven't seen Pete in a while eh?
Also, this whole "fat guys in aiders" thing is lame. If it's that easy and trivial, why aren't you guys out there doing it? I guess hitting the local 30 meter crag beats climbing El Cap any day... said no one ever.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 24, 2015 - 02:07pm PT
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^^^^ The little girly is now an expert? ^^^^
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Nov 24, 2015 - 02:11pm PT
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^^ WERNER: Are you calling me FAT??!!!
Not if he watches me, who makes you look downright skinny - if not emaciated - by comparison, Pete. And, of course, I do enjoy aid climbing, even if I haven't done it recently.
John
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Nov 24, 2015 - 02:16pm PT
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Nope.. I'm a total n00b poseur. I don't climb, I just like hanging out on a climbing site and reading about stuff I will never be able to do and then hating on it.
My comment wasn't really directed at you, by the way. I just see a lot of these comments about 'fat guys in aiders' and I think it's lame. I was there and I didn't really see many, if any, fat guys. Saw lots and lots of young dudes from all over the world, some ladies, some older guys, etc.
What I didn't see is any loud mouths from SuperTopo. I guess they were busy doing other stuff.
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WBraun
climber
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Nov 24, 2015 - 02:22pm PT
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'fat guys in aiders' and I think it's lame.
That's only because you projected negativity.
It's actually a compliment.
It shows that it doesn't take only superman to climb .....
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Nov 24, 2015 - 05:46pm PT
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Or Supergirl.
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Martinez, CA
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Nov 24, 2015 - 07:29pm PT
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Buy or Rent the download of the film Assault on El Capitan
use code: Ammon for 25% off.**
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/elcap
Assault on El Cap Bonus Footage...... $5.00
90 Minutes of Bonus footage with extended interviews
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/assaultonelcapbonus
Hear and see it all from the people who were there.
Steve clearly explains his stance and opinion in the film and elaborates in the bonus footage.
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brotherbbock
Trad climber
Alta Loma, CA
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Nov 30, 2015 - 11:22am PT
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Anita....
Don't let Werner get your goat...
He's a typical crankloon American.
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Lloyd Campbell
Social climber
St. Cloud, MN
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Nov 30, 2015 - 11:44am PT
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Or Supergirl.
Or poseurgirl.
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Floyd Hayes
Trad climber
Hidden Valley Lake, CA
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Nov 30, 2015 - 12:46pm PT
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Having read most of the content in the WOS threads, the book about the climb, and seen the movie, I'm puzzled by why anybody would believe SG's claims about the climb, which have been clearly contradicted by the evidence. I guess it's much easier to denigrate those who climbed WOS than to actually climb it. I have much more respect for those who actually climbed the route.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Nov 30, 2015 - 04:58pm PT
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+10!
I looked for the movie on Amazon but did not find it? anyone know where/ how I can buy a DVD?
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Nov 30, 2015 - 05:58pm PT
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I don't have a fast enough connection to stream.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Nov 30, 2015 - 06:05pm PT
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just ordered a DVD. hopefully that helps out the guys who made the movie.
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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Nov 30, 2015 - 06:07pm PT
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^PM The Wolf (Jeff Vargen, the film's director) and see if he has any DVDs available.
edit - cross posting, so I missed your last msg.
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Nov 30, 2015 - 08:23pm PT
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^^ Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!
[I wonder which of us he means??]
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Martinez, CA
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I have a few DVD's left. I always throw in some goodies with the DVD's. Ammon & Kait autographed pic cards and some other stuff. The DVD has over an hour of bonus footy and some full length interviews with Steve and others. You can also get the Bonus footage as a download for 5 bucks.
email me at jeff@accidentalproductions.net
https://vimeo.com/ondemand/assaultonelcapbonus
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Plaidman is often a 'fat guy in aiders' (and a kilt - oh the humanity!), when he starts up routes, but by the time he comes off them he's a lean, mean free machine. He'd be free climbing 5.14 if he could find a long enough aid route. Maybe something on Baffin.
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H
Mountain climber
there and back again
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I hope Jeff gets some residual from this. Definitely order from him if you have not seen the film. Its great.
Who would have thought that a title like Erik Sloan Arrested would give you 130 post about WOS and nothing on Erik
Only on ST. Its been a while since I lurked here.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Wolf. I had just ordered the movie from Chessler Books or I would have taken you up on the offer.
thanks, Nick
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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"Plaidman is often a 'fat guy in aiders' (and a kilt - oh the humanity!), when he starts up routes, but by the time he comes off them he's a lean, mean free machine."
He even grows hair, too!
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The Wolf
Trad climber
Martinez, CA
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No worries. Order or stream from whomever you need to to get the film. I'm just thrilled anytime someone wants to watch it.
JV
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Movie was great. Nicely done.
Steve. You really do need to stop trying to put these guys down. Amon and Kate climbed it and called it Legit. You never climbed it and ran your mouth for 30 years. Not healthy. Perhaps if you did the 3rd ascent it would be a healing process for you......
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