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atchafalaya
Trad climber
California
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Oct 25, 2006 - 06:45pm PT
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cosmo (german shepard) loves Joshua Tree...
anyone got a cite for those bogus bighorn studies? Thanks
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doghater
Trad climber
joshua tree, ca
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Oct 25, 2006 - 06:47pm PT
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i'm trying do devise a little handout/ business card type thing to hand to ignorant dog owners, that hopefully, will get them to think.
any tips?
so far:
bad for enviro.
bad for dog owners.
bad for people.
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doghater
Trad climber
joshua tree, ca
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Oct 25, 2006 - 06:49pm PT
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atchafalaya
on the bright side, that dog is big and thus has a short life span.
you are a retard, retard.
you graduated from the mcgeorge school of law?
what a joke. no wonder you don't get it.
http://www.randolphlaw.net/rlc.htm
Second-Tier Law School?
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atchafalaya
Trad climber
California
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Oct 25, 2006 - 06:55pm PT
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cmon, you can troll better than that. Your earlier posts were actually pretty good...
Heres another one for you...
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doghater
Trad climber
joshua tree, ca
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Oct 25, 2006 - 06:58pm PT
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did they have a mcdonalds next to mc george?
i see its ranked right up there with chapman university. good on ya.
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caughtinside
Social climber
Davis, CA
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Oct 25, 2006 - 06:59pm PT
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nice edit, doghater. you were going to email atch's boss, until you realized atch is the boss? sniping the law school is definitely a step down.
Rich.
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doghater
Trad climber
joshua tree, ca
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Oct 25, 2006 - 07:02pm PT
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i've known a few mcgeorge grads. not the brightest bulbs.
he may be the boss, but so what. he is still a mcgeorge alum! :)
he should delete that off his site! he'd get more clients.
holy sh#t, they all went to mcgeorge. run for cover, or get the chair!
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Oct 25, 2006 - 07:05pm PT
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"with the last part of that comment you too have attained the grand master level of A$$hole"
either that, or you didn't quite get the gist of that comment (that being that said stress would be something to consider)
truth is, i do sometimes take my dog where he doesn't belong...
(here he is inside an awhannee guest room)
...so if any of you haters or v10 braggarts are ever there when we are, feel free to start spewing, it's a free country.
btw- i too see other peoples dogs chasing animals and digging sh#t up. what you are used to is what your dog does and what you see other dogs do. what i am used to is a constantly well behaved dog that sometimes lies on my rope, but otherwise might as well not even be there, and positive face to face reactions/interactions from every climber i can ever remember running into w/ him. you can get upset over ryan mtn, and that may have been a questionable choice, but the day we did it was a holiday and there were 100 other people on that trail, suffice to say that the sheep were miles away. (as for dog pee, he has nothing left to pee by the time we are 1/4 mile from the road- you can surely find better reasons to make me the boogeyman)
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Oct 25, 2006 - 07:05pm PT
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A recent incident happened at a trail I sometimes ride. A woman didn't have her dog on a leash and when a buy went by on a mountain bike (uphill), the dog was startled and bit the guy in the leg. The guy (according to one witness) made a comment to the dog owner but was civil despite the hound drawing blood. Apparently the woman accused the biker of startling the dog, implying that had he properly compensated for the dog he wouldn't have been bitten. The biker grabbed the woman's arm, bit it (deeply) and told her that had she properly compensated for him she wouldn't have been bitten. Then he rode off and was never found.
Though I am a dog owner, and generally appreciate dogs, I feel that the first time a person has to compensate for a dog, no matter how big or small, the dog has become an needless intrusion. Nazi dog owners will start trotting out the rights of dogs and so forth but what they are generally defending is the "right" for them to bring their dogs anywhere and if you don't like it there's something "wrong" with you or me. At this point the conversation is, of course, no longer about a dog, but about an owner who has lost any sense of priority.
JL
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Oct 25, 2006 - 07:15pm PT
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V10Gripper is mostly right.
But alot of the Idylwild Areas, and all of Big Rock is State Park Land where Dogs are not allowed.
Big Bear is NFS, and New Jack City is BLM where just about anything goes.
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Oct 25, 2006 - 07:17pm PT
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i agree w/ largo's post %100
(and like i said, go ahead and kick my dog as hard as you can, i'm sure he'll lick you right back)
what's more, when we go trail running together, my dog is physically under my control whenever a bike approaches, not so he doesn't bite, but so he doesn't get spooked and jump in front of the bike or something (and that goes for bikes on trails where they are not allowed too)
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doghater
Trad climber
joshua tree, ca
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Oct 25, 2006 - 07:41pm PT
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Tell ya what...
You've changed my mind! I will refrain from any dog kicking or macing. Instead, when we meet at the crag, you with your dog, you violating a rule, but risking the consequences because you have the right to do what you want, no matter how that impacts people and the environment, and wildlife.
I'll be cool to you. We'll be on good terms. I'll ask ya what route you're on, I'll pet your dog. I'll tell you that you have a well behaved dog. I'll climb a few routes. And just as you top-out...
I'll pat the pooch on the head and toss it a few of my homemade meatball Scooby Snacks.
Rut-Ro!
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Matt
Trad climber
places you shouldn't talk about in polite company
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Oct 25, 2006 - 07:54pm PT
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deal.
and then someday i'll give your children the same affectionate treatment-
...pats on the head and compliments to you included.
btw- that's awful nice of you to carry dog treats w/ you, mostly he just gets those from the rangers at the park entrance kiosks.
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doghater
Trad climber
joshua tree, ca
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Oct 26, 2006 - 12:21am PT
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locker:
no, i assure you, i am not jtdrip. what a loser. Do you have a dog? Does it sniff glue with you? What will you climb this weekend? I am headed for towers of uncertainty.
damn, Those dogs suck. I am praying that they die.
che guevera hates dogs.
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doghater
Trad climber
joshua tree, ca
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Oct 26, 2006 - 01:20am PT
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Rokjox,
The mojave desert is so much more than the snapshot weekend trip that many experience. Yet, so many people have a limited perspective based on their snapshot trip to Joshua Tree. They see themselves in isolation; the cumulative effect of every dog--pooping, digging, and posing a threat--adds up.
Doghater.
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Chaz
Trad climber
So. Cal.
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Oct 26, 2006 - 01:50am PT
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What about the cumulative effect of every Coyote--pooping, digging, and posing a threat--How does that add up?
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John Barleycorn
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2006 - 02:15am PT
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just curious, does anyone know how to get in touch with the guy who teaches the coyotes to leave the sheep alone. that sounds like a cool job.
If everyone was responsible we could have dogs in the parks, we could have a beer in a movie theater, and we could leave our doors unlocked. unfortunately, it no longer is that way.
jb
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v10gripper
Boulder climber
Joshua Tree, CA
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Oct 26, 2006 - 11:37am PT
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"but otherwise might as well not even be there"
then why bring him?......
this thread just started sucking
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John Barleycorn
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 26, 2006 - 02:53pm PT
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"don't kill the liberty. "America, Land of the Free", remember?"
Roxjox, couldn't have said it better. Our freedom has been legislated away because people won't take responsibility for themselves and when an accident happens, they sue. So another "no this" sign goes up and our liberties shrink a little more.
jb
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Oct 26, 2006 - 06:53pm PT
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The notice on the kiosk at Indian Creek recommends leaving your dog in your car while you climb?!
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