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The Chief
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Oct 10, 2015 - 01:16pm PT
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^REAL, Philco..... Keeping it ALL, REAL!
Between your recent insinuating gay chat room posts and LOckers disturbing Baboon dick posts, the two of you have seriously hit the mark of...
"Totally Priceless"
I truly hope that neither of you two OWN ANY GUNS. Cus you both certainly would meet the "mentally disturbed" mark that you all want imposed so those afflicted with such, could NEVER legally own one, a gun.
Thanks for setting the perfect and real example mark, LOcker and Philco.
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philo
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Oct 10, 2015 - 01:26pm PT
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From Huffpo
THE BLOG
Did the Wild West Have More Gun Control Than We Do Today?
After a decision by the Supreme Court affirming the right of individuals to own guns, then-Chicago Mayor Richard Daley sarcastically said, "Then why don't we do away with the court system and go back to the Old West, you have a gun and I have a gun and we'll settle it in the streets?" This is a common refrain heard in the gun debate. Gun control advocates fear -- and gun rights proponents sometimes hope -- the Second Amendment will transform our cities into modern-day versions of Dodge.
Yet this is all based on a widely shared misunderstanding of the Wild West. Frontier towns -- places like Tombstone, Deadwood, and Dodge -- actually had the most restrictive gun control laws in the nation.
In fact, many of those same cities have far less burdensome gun control today then they did back in the 1800s.
Guns were obviously widespread on the frontier. Out in the untamed wilderness, you needed a gun to be safe from bandits, natives, and wildlife. In the cities and towns of the West, however, the law often prohibited people from toting their guns around. A visitor arriving in Wichita, Kansas in 1873, the heart of the Wild West era, would have seen signs declaring, "Leave Your Revolvers At Police Headquarters, and Get a Check."
A check? That's right. When you entered a frontier town, you were legally required to leave your guns at the stables on the outskirts of town or drop them off with the sheriff, who would give you a token in exchange. You checked your guns then like you'd check your overcoat today at a Boston restaurant in winter. Visitors were welcome, but their guns were not.
In my new book, Gunfight: The Battle over the Right to Bear Arms in America, there's a photograph taken in Dodge City in 1879. Everything looks exactly as you'd imagine: wide, dusty road; clapboard and brick buildings; horse ties in front of the saloon. Yet right in the middle of the street is something you'd never expect. There's a huge wooden billboard announcing, "The Carrying of Firearms Strictly Prohibited."
While people were allowed to have guns at home for self-protection, frontier towns usually barred anyone but law enforcement from carrying guns in public.
When Dodge City residents organized their municipal government, do you know what the very first law they passed was? A gun control law. They declared that "any person or persons found carrying concealed weapons in the city of Dodge or violating the laws of the State shall be dealt with according to law." Many frontier towns, including Tombstone, Arizona--the site of the infamous "Shootout at the OK Corral"--also barred the carrying of guns openly.
Today in Tombstone, you don't even need a permit to carry around a firearm. Gun rights advocates are pushing lawmakers in state after state to do away with nearly all limits on the ability of people to have guns in public.
Like any law regulating things that are small and easy to conceal, the gun control of the Wild West wasn't always perfectly enforced. But statistics show that, next to drunk and disorderly conduct, the most common cause of arrest was illegally carrying a firearm. Sheriffs and marshals took gun control seriously.
Although some in the gun community insist that more guns equals less crime, in the Wild West they discovered that gun control can work. Gun violence in these towns was far more rare than we commonly imagine. Historians who've studied the numbers have determined that frontier towns averaged less than two murders a year. Granted, the population of these towns was small. Nevertheless, these were not places where duels at high noon were commonplace. In fact, they almost never occurred.
Why is our image of the Wild West so wrong? Largely for the same reason these towns adopted gun control laws in the first place: economic development. Residents wanted limits on guns in public because they wanted to attract businesspeople and civilized folk. What prospective storeowner was going to move to Deadwood if he was likely to be robbed when he brought his daily earnings to the bank?
Once the frontier was closed, those same towns glorified a supposedly violent past in order to attract tourists and the businesses to serve them. Gunfights were extremely rare in frontier towns, but these days you can see a reenactment of the one at the OK Corral several times a day. Don't forget to buy a souvenir!
The story of guns in America is far more complex and surprising than we've often been led to believe. We've always had a right to bear arms, but we've also always had gun control. Even in the Wild West, Americans balanced these two and enacted laws restricting guns in order to promote public safety. Why should it be so hard to do the same today?
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The Chief
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Oct 10, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
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Yup, Edward T.
I'm starting to wonder if Norton is a 24/7 assault weapon carrying/yielding/utilizing "Canadian" Drug Dealer..
[Click to View YouTube Video]
So much for all that bullshet about Canadian Gun Control.
EDIT:
Hey LOcker, do you OWN any GUNS?
If so,
a) Do you "Love" them as much as Fruitz does?
b) How in God's name were you ever allowed to do so, legally?
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philo
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Oct 10, 2015 - 07:24pm PT
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You are a piece of work.
Life in Shetlandia must be paradise.
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The Chief
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Oct 10, 2015 - 08:22pm PT
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philo
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Oct 10, 2015 - 07:24pm PT
You are a piece of work.
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Life in Shetlandia must be paradise.
Thank you. Philco
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No where near as much a "paradise' as in the outskirts of Philoville, CO., nor does not eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeven come close. That is with all them stashed guns and all.
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Todd Eastman
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Bellingham, WA
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Oct 10, 2015 - 09:16pm PT
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Chief Dood, we don't care so much that you have guns as we would hope you could grow out of bragging about it and using them for an identity crutch...
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The Chief
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Oct 10, 2015 - 09:41pm PT
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
Oct 10, 2015 - 09:16pm PT
Chief Dood, we don't care so much that you have guns as we would hope you could grow out of bragging about it and using them for an identity crutch...
Identity crutch?
Ah, you obviously have me mistaken with these two dooooods that keep whining about the lack of gun control in this nation, not me....
Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 6, 2015 - 08:30pm PT
I Love my guns....
Norton
Social climber
Oct 7, 2015 - 04:54pm PT
I have a Concealed Carry Permit, carry 24/7....
Besides Eastman, where did I ever post anything that comes close to using any gun as an "identy crutch' as them two above have, repeatedly, on this thread? Where...
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Oct 10, 2015 - 10:10pm PT
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What the hell is that back plasticky gun in the lower right corner of the video clip above? Looks like an evil assault nail-gun. I love how everything that goes "pew" in the media is high-powered.
I might not agree with everything the Chief believes but he sure seems to apply logic and not "feelings" to his arguments.
Carry on you magnificent nutcases.
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The Chief
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Oct 10, 2015 - 10:29pm PT
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What the hell is that back plasticky gun in the lower right corner of the video clip above...
A Czech manu'd version of a Ravensquad fully auto assault 9mm pistol that holds a 20 and 30 round mag.
Similar to a TEC9 Auto Pistol.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 10, 2015 - 10:39pm PT
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If gun control freaks can't understand black market guns, I have no other argument.
Zzzzzzzzzzz.....talk to Jews in the 30-40's. Ask them if they wanted a Luger when the Brownshirts showed up, or the Gestapo, asking their family to pack up and "go away".
Be very careful when you ask for fewer guns. The US has very good background checks. I have to pay to go through FBI DROS fees and background checks to buy all of my 4 weapons. Am I cleared?
I was cleared.
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The Chief
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Oct 10, 2015 - 10:53pm PT
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I have to pay to go through FBI DROS fees and background checks..
You forgot the ten day waiting period AND the initial finger print BGC through ATF.
FYI... For anyone that wants to acquire an "automatic assault rifle/gun" manufactured prior to 1986 any where in the US, the following must be completed..
-Pay a tax of $200
-Fill out a lengthy application to register your gun with the federal government
-Submit photographs
-Submit passport photos
-Get your chief law enforcement official to sign your application
-Wait for the results of your background check to come back
A violation of the national firearms act results in a felony punishable by up to 10 years in federal prison, a $100,000 fine, and forfeiture of the individual’s right to own or possess firearms in the future.
And NO ONE can legally acquire any automatic assault rifle/gun manu'd after 1986. Only a manufacturer and an authorized FFL Dealer can be in legal possession of one after the Fed Gov't (ATF) approves them of doing so for each weapon.
Each state & County has it's own regs and laws as well which supersede Fed Laws for their state/County.
This all per the the 1934 NFA & H.R. 4332 that was enacted on May 19, 1986
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Oct 10, 2015 - 11:00pm PT
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Yes, it is after the fact. So what? You can't really stop someone from mouthing off, but you can hold them responsible. The point is there are constraints on the bill of rights.
I'm beyond baffled! Look, if you agree with me that there's "no prior restraint" and that we can only "hold them responsible" "after the fact," then we are on EXACTLY the same page about gun control!
EXACTLY!
I believe in "NO PRIOR RESTRAINT" for the second amendment also! And, yes, DO hold 'em responsible for ANY misuse! For sure. That's what criminal law is in place to accomplish: Responsibility, accountability, for misuse of freedoms.
SO glad to see that you're coming around, finally. We are on the SAME page about "no prior restraint!" Yayyyy!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 10, 2015 - 11:01pm PT
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Yes, Chief. Also have to pass a Handgun Safety Test if purchasing a sidearm. I scored a 100%, TYVM!
It's a written test but you have to read up to get a 100% score, they have a couple of trick questions.
"What is the best direction to safely discharge a firearm?"
A. up
B. down
C. in a safe direction
I also like the question about drinking and shooting. How many drinks is it okay to discharge a firearm with?
ReallY???
Ugghhhh....
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The Chief
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Oct 10, 2015 - 11:08pm PT
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It's a written test but you have to read up to get a 100% score
Retired Military with valid/current Retired DOD ID are exempt from taking the written test.
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philo
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Oct 11, 2015 - 04:41am PT
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If I were to arsenal up it would be to defend against the tyranny of the masses not the government. It would be to protect against the lunatic fringe of gun nuts not some boogie man criminal.
You who would cling to your guns in the face of such human carnage are the enemy of a free and peaceful society not the defenders of freedom you imagine yourselves to be.
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spectreman
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Oct 11, 2015 - 05:29am PT
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philo wrote:
"You who would cling to your guns in the face of such human carnage are the enemy of a free and peaceful society not the defenders of freedom you imagine yourselves to be"
What a screwed up perspective. You're way crazier then the chief.
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philo
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Oct 11, 2015 - 07:26am PT
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Yeah right Specterman.
Sadly for you and the other deluded bullet brains the facts bear me out.
More Americans have died from domestic gun violence than in all our wars combined.
But you Patsy wring your hands and cringe in fear of Isis or what ever bogieman d'jour your puppet masters tell you to hate and fear.
Mean while the real enemy is right here.
"We have met the enemy and he is us" - pogo
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Oct 11, 2015 - 07:30am PT
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I love it when other people see the false bullshit of what's presented as Canada to the outside world.
Maybe it's a matter of scale but the facts are Gangs and other Canadian criminals trade Canadian farmed weed for American guns and cocaine over our mutual border.
This is not a surprise or anything that hasn't been going on for many years.
That can't be right, guns are illegal in Canada
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philo
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Oct 11, 2015 - 07:39am PT
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Remember this guy?
Charles Joseph Whitman was an American engineering student at the University of Texas, former U.S. Marine, and a mass murderer who killed 16 people. In the early morning hours of August 1, 1966, Whitman murdered his wife and mother in their homes. Wikipedia
He was all the good things gun advocates chant about, student, father, ex-marine.
A good guy with a gun. 45 people shoot in 90 minutes.
Lesson unlearned Texas passed law allowing guns everywhere on campus.
I'm sure some good guy with a glock should be easily able to take down a sniper concealed in a clock tower.
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The Chief
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Oct 11, 2015 - 08:02am PT
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More Americans have died from domestic gun violence than in all our wars combined
Bullshet Philco...
Post a ref with actual stats/numbers from the FBI. Do it or stfu you stoogebag parroting totally full of shet politard crankaloon.
According to your's and your loon parroting crankaloon buddies logic here, we best consider the way we issue drivers licenses and limiting the access to them. More Americans have died the past 60 years from vehicle "accidents' than both gun related and wars combined for that period of time.
And in 2010 alone, combine alcohol and vehicle accidents and the numbers are staggering. BOTH are completely legal and both far less law restrictive than any "legally" owned gun ownership
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