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Trad climber
Berkeley
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Maybe un-civil libertarians nightmare
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jody, what a bunch of BS. Of course good guys can become bad guys.
Every time this sh#t comes up we hear what a nice young man he was from those that knew him. Rarely does anyone say "that was one sick f*#k from day one."
Why have so many police been arrested for rape, murder, domestic violence? It's not because police departments try to hire psychos.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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"Japan's low crime rate is not about gun control, it is about people control. It is a civil libertarian's nightmare.
Explain Britain please, or New Zealand or Australia.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"What is to stop a good guy flying a jetliner from becoming a bad guy flying a jetliner? What is to stop a good guy driving a gas tanker truck from becoming a bad guy driving a gas tanker truck? What is to stop a good guy pool maintenance man with chlorine gas from becoming a bad guy pool maintenance man with chlorine gas?"
Ummm....we aren't talking about that kind of mayhem right now. We're talking about gun violence right now.
Why do you keep trying to change the channel?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Ummm....we aren't talking about that kind of mayhem right now. We're talking about gun violence right now
We also are not talking about Australia, Britain, or Mars.
Perhaps a better comparison would be Libya, Iraq, or Pluto?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Comparing gun violence in this country against gun violence in other countries is pretty much apples to apples.
Comparing gun violence to a chlorine-laden truck is not.
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DanaB
climber
CT
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Violence is loved and respected in the United States.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Bob D'A writes:
"Japan's low crime rate is not about gun control, it is about people control. It is a civil libertarian's nightmare."
"Explain Britain please, or New Zealand or Australia."
Mexico, Brazil, Venezuela
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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i am all for rights of gun owners. i have 4 in the house. but we should have to register all guns under the threat of a felony.
if we are found to be whacked out, priors etc, then you lose the right.
this is getting f*#king ridiculous and the f*#ked up nra (national retard association) will be making commercials and sending message tomorrow.
f*#king pathetic.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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How about this for an alternative start to fixing the problem - banning violent videos, games and TV.
That's right, I said it.
And stop worshiping at the alter of the tough guy with a gun.
Wouldn't that be a good start? Kids these days have grown up in a society awash with stylized and approved violence. Its part and parcel to being American. Well we can stop doing that just like we can stop selling guns. Don't need no laws either. Just need to stop purchasing it.
Guns and violence, that is. Stop buying them. Stop selling them.
DMT
ps. copy cat violence didn't start in the last decade. Guys like Clint Eastwood set the bar for how men are supposed to solve their problems... with violence. Enjoy!
i dont disagree that violence on media is a problem. but lets face it, if you cant distinguish between a video game and killing college kids then your f*#ked up and it wont matter.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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""Explain Britain please, or New Zealand or Australia."
Mexico, Brazil, Venezuela
Homicides by firearms are 0.13 (average) per 100,000 for Britain, New Zealand and Australia, The US average is 2.97 per 100,000.
Mexico is almost 10, Brazil is double that and Venezuela is a staggering 38.77.
Wouldn't it be nice if we were more like the other first world countries?
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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you can see the repug congress now, supporting the right to bear arms but still in a frenzy over fraudulent planned parenthood videos.
can someone honestly tell me this country is not f*#ked up?
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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What's it take to be a First World country that Brazil doesn't have, Bob?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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What I know, Jody, is that every time this issue of extreme gun violence comes up, the gun nut extremists respond with every manner of non-sequiter, false equivalency argument they can find to obfuscate the focus away from the central issue of any given gun-related massacre: GUNS
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10b4me
Social climber
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How about this for an alternative start to fixing the problem - banning violent videos, games and TV.
That's right, I said it.
And stop worshiping at the alter of the tough guy with a gun.
Wouldn't that be a good start? Kids these days have grown up in a society awash with stylized and approved violence. Its part and parcel to being American. Well we can stop doing that just like we can stop selling guns. Don't need no laws either. Just need to stop purchasing it.
Guns and violence, that is. Stop buying them. Stop selling them.
DMT
ps. copy cat violence didn't start in the last decade. Guys like Clint Eastwood set the bar for
how men are supposed to solve their problems... with violence. Enjoy!
actually, it started before Clint. Go back to earlier times, when John Wayne, and his cohorts killed those damn injuns, and later those damn gooks. American male society is inherently violent, and is not mature enough to rid itself of this proclivity.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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"The only way to make sure criminals don't get guns is to confiscate and destroy ALL of them and then make 100% sure no more are ever made....do you have a way to guarantee that?"
That's the kind of overly-simplistic, unrealistic position that gets absolutely nowhere with the problem.
There is a middle ground on this issue, and it doesn't involve the extremes of destroying every gun on the planet, or giving guns away in cereal boxes.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Where do these shooters find the message that using a gun to deal with their issues is how to act things out?
The cultural framework of gun violence is likely found in the messages utilized by the gun lobby to garner public support for their product...
... the culture surrounding guns needs to be considered.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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"More gun control will not stop the problem, because it's a heart problem."
Really, so it is a muscle problem.
Guns are just one part of the equation.
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Gene
climber
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What's wrong with people? Why can't they understand that the continuing periodic slaughter of random folks in our churches, schools, and work places is just a down payment on the price of freedom?
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Trashman
Trad climber
SLC
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If GUNS were the problem, with about 300 million in private hands in the US, there would be a LOT more crimes committed with them than there are.
Nah Judy, most of those are in the hands of "responsible gun owners". Course, if we have to inconvenience them to achieve even a slight reduction in deaths by firearms, I'm all for it. I'm not too worried about your paranoid fantasies.
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