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c wilmot
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Aug 31, 2015 - 09:58am PT
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its odd to read posts from so many old white man bashing OTHER white men. They themselves are of course innocent though in their mind. its those OTHER white guys. Meanwhile young white boys who have done nothing, wonder what on earth they did wrong, and why their elders express so much negativity at them.
All this hateful rhetoric seen currently in the media is just to divide the people while the rich continue to plunder the US. Its working well too.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Aug 31, 2015 - 10:07am PT
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I don't blame you for being angry, especially if you know the brother of this fallen officer. My sincere condolences to his family and his friends.
Let's just say that some blacks have a couple hundred years of pretty well justified anger pent up inside them. Was this killer justified? Hell no. Some of them are just bat sh#t crazy, or too fired up on strong dope to know the difference, just like white people.
Should there be rioting, fires and looting? No, just like I don't believe it's helpful when blacks do it.
To think that blacks have somehow become more evil than whites suddenly is also misdirected. Anger, frustration, misdeeds, mental illness, drugs, guns, they all run both ways.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 31, 2015 - 10:14am PT
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Shot 15 times......
.....and not a peep from the POTUS.
Another update from RighteousChristianPatriotObamaWatch.
Thanks for your service Cragman!!!111666
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Norton
Social climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 10:16am PT
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stop making sense, survival
this thread is about white outrage because a black guy shot a white cop
and most important, why are the whites not rioting and starting fires in their suburbs
because False Equivalence is everything in presenting a fair and balanced indignation
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c wilmot
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Aug 31, 2015 - 10:41am PT
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An examination of data regarding the offenders for whom race was known showed that 53.6 percent were black, 43.9 percent were white, and 2.5 percent were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,112 offenders. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3.)
also from 2013 FBI stats.
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HermitMaster
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my abode
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Aug 31, 2015 - 10:52am PT
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Personally, I believe that a president commenting 39 times a day, everyday, all year, about every homicide might not be his/her best use of time.
A better use of his time would be to go on Bear Grylls' reality show. Golfing 250 times (so far) and spending weeks upon weeks on vacation.
Yep, commenting on a fallen officer shot dead because of all the rancor in this society is something he doesn't "have time" for....
He is a joke. Your answer was a joke....
Edit: I corrected the spelling on "rancor" Evidently this was the big deal to Wade Icy
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 31, 2015 - 10:58am PT
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A better use of his time would be to go on Bear Grylls' reality show.
This, in my opinion, is also not the best use of a president's time.
Also note that my opinion didn't mention a president not having time for commenting (as you suggest), I just noted that in my opinion a president should be doing something else. Would you feel better if every president commented on every homicide? Why? I'd rather they use their time to work toward minimizing the number of homicides.
edit: Fun with numbers. Assuming all sitting presidents should comment on each homicide, that means this in a few different years:
1993: 24,526 homicides = H.W. Bush commenting 67 times a day.
1994: 23,326 homicides = Clinton commenting 64 times a day.
2001: 16,037 (not counting the 9/11 2,752 homicides), Bush would have commented 44 times a day (with the 911 murders, he would have commented 51 times a day).
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Aug 31, 2015 - 11:00am PT
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HM-you of all people should be familiar with the the proper spelling of rancor.
did you fact check with craggie on the presidents' golf stats?
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PSP also PP
Trad climber
Berkeley
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Aug 31, 2015 - 11:28am PT
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Sorry for your loss TChief.
Probably the second the murder happened the whole houston police force went into action looking for the guy along with all the nearby local police forces. They mobilized to support their fallen comrade.
IMO that is generally what is happening with Black Lives Matter movement; the support group is mobilizing; very similar . They need to protect themselves when the cops are not doing it and are caught perpetrating the violence.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 31, 2015 - 12:06pm PT
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Aug 31, 2015 - 10:07am PT
I don't blame you for being angry, especially if you know the brother of this fallen officer. My sincere condolences to his family and his friends.
Let's just say that some blacks have a couple hundred years of pretty well justified anger pent up inside them. Was this killer justified? Hell no. Some of them are just bat sh#t crazy, or too fired up on strong dope to know the difference, just like white people.
Should there be rioting, fires and looting? No, just like I don't believe it's helpful when blacks do it.
To think that blacks have somehow become more evil than whites suddenly is also misdirected. Anger, frustration, misdeeds, mental illness, drugs, guns, they all run both ways.
Thanks Bruce. Regardless our differences in fkstick politics, we meet on common ground due to the shet we did for this Nation. I appreciate the tone.
I thought for sure Jim Donini would address this in the same compassionate manner. Obviously his time in didn't make the same impression as you exhibited above and that of which I expect from a former SOF Operator. Not even a peep from him regarding condolences or any remorse for the death of this fine upstanding LEO. That was really disappointing.
FWIW, the intent of this thread has nothing to do with race, creed or color. The ensuing poster threw that into the mix.
The intent was the hypocrisy of BLM etc. This brutal execution is an example that the verbiage this nation needs to sing is...
ALL LIVES MATTER.
Period.
From my second post here...
Not the point Jeff and precisely why I posted it. It's the hypocrisy and political bs agenda that prevails in this nation. They are ALL just a equal in being fked up. Not one is worse than the other as so many political groups these days are claiming that they are in order to perpetuate their agendas.
The "guns" issue only gets brought up when an event occurs that a legally acquired and registered weapon is utilized. But never when this type incident happens, a totally illegally acquired and used gun. Never. Which is far more than the other. Far more.
Again the total political hypocrisy of it all.
Edit: This particular event strikes home. It was a close Shipmates Brother that was executed.
Deputy Darren H. Goforth, 47, was in uniform at a Chevron gas station when the killer approached him from behind and shot him multiple times, the Harris County Sheriff’s Office said. He then stood over the deputy and shot him several more times, witnesses told police.
"The deputy fell to ground… the suspect came over and shot the deputy again multiple times as he lay on the ground,” Gilliland said. The deputy was pronounced dead at the scene when EMS arrived. |
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Aug 31, 2015 - 12:11pm PT
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Stop making sense, CG!
This is about white outrage over a cop shot by a black man! (I read this somewhere.)
NEVER miss an opportunity to express your hatred for the BlackMuslimPOTUS!
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 31, 2015 - 12:22pm PT
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...his own community...
Who is his community? Attorneys? Ivy-league graduates? Hawaiians? Males? Fathers?
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 31, 2015 - 12:23pm PT
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O.D.S.
You guys are bonkers.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 31, 2015 - 12:32pm PT
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That's just simply not true Cragman.
Obama has stood up for, and honored people of many characteristics just as Bush did before him, and Clinton did before him, etc.
It's easy to find these things if one looks. But some people don't want to see it it appears.
Still, this thread (I thought) was about the tragedy a horrible murder of a LEO who was executed by a piece of sh#t - Not about Obama hate. I don't see why someone's view of Obama matters in this event. What matters is that the criminal justice system apprehended the p.o.s. very quickly (and many of those who did so where a part of Obama's "community" as you see it) and the perpetrator will be dealt with...in Texas/Harris County (my home). If the p.o.s. was a bit smarter, he should have considered doing his deed some place where criminals are treated a bit better. It won't end well for him there (as it should be).
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Aug 31, 2015 - 12:33pm PT
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Cragman and Chief....you wear your prejudices like a scarlet letter. Don't worry...the black president will be out of office soon. Probably won't sit well with you guys if he's followed by a liberal woman.
For avowed Christians you guys don't seem to have much compassion, forgiveness or understanding of people different from you.
Stay tuned to Fox News and right wing radio for the real scoop.
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The Chief
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Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 31, 2015 - 12:39pm PT
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Hey Donini... I voted for OBAMA twice I am sorry say today. So, with all due respect, STFU with the racism shet already. You're sounding just like Sharpton etal. WTF is your problem!!!
Not a fking peep from your self righteous ass regarding the fallen LEO. He was a GOOD COP that loved his community and vice a versa. Look up thread at Cranstars post regarding how the community is coming together to honor him and all he did for them.
And btw, his Brother may just come on here and tell to go fk yourself with far worse verbiage to ensue. He btw is a retired Frog of 25 years with over 36 Ops all over this shethole planet.
Get a grip would YOU, Donini!
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Aug 31, 2015 - 12:47pm PT
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Nonsense, Callie....Obama is ALWAYS quick to call out cops when something happens against a black citizen......yet remains perfectly quiet on this latest spate of black on white murders......including an assassination of a LEO.
I am open-minded enough to consider your comment. Can you provide to me the list of all incidents where cops who did something to a black citizen and an accounting of Obama's response to it? I'd be especially interested in this list as it'd be useful in my work.
I'll give you the second point. I am in agreement that Obama didn't say anything about almost all of the "black on white murders." Let's take 2013 as an example (data are not yet available on more recent years). In 2013, there were 409 black-on-white homicides. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls);.
In that same year, there were 2,509 white-on-white homicides and I'm not aware he said anything about them either.
Also, he didn't have much to say about the 2,245 black-on-black murders in 2013. Same with the 189 white-on-black homicides.
It looks like from this, that Obama just doesn't comment on the overwhelming majority of homicides regardless of the offender/victim race.
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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Aug 31, 2015 - 12:48pm PT
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Truly you guize do speak for the victims here, the powerless, the oppressed. I mean caucasian males are really threatened in this society, especially by armed state actors. So proud of you, Chief and Craggy, our selfless voices of the voiceless.
/snark
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Jefe'
Boulder climber
Bishop
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Aug 31, 2015 - 12:49pm PT
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Thanks Chief and Cragman.
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