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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Reilly - ever get a bill from ebay at the end of a selling month? it's anything but free ;-)
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Nature, I'll have to take yer word on that.
As to you others who don't think international trade should be tariff-free I will say this:
DON'T HAZE ME, BRO!
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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I gets my news from YouTube!
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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I get my news from ST. :-)
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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All those pie charts a couple of pages back.
In not one did I see a label for the black budget.
You know it's there, don't you?
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Where did that money go?
Got me. Increases in Medicaid by the millions?
It SURE didn't go toward purchasing anything of value for us or other small businesses in our group, ALL of whom saw overnight and radical cost increases.
Those reforms that you didn't get?
Right. Exactly....
-free preventive care -- Nope! Had it already, as we were doing right by our employees and had purchased a very high-end plan. The cost increase didn't purchase THIS for us.
-elimination of pre-existing conditions -- Nope! Already had it. One of our employees has a serious condition, so we purchased a plan that had no such limitation for any employee. You know, doing right by our employees.
-elimination of cap on payments -- Nope! Already had it. See above.
We are a company that wasn't nickel and diming anybody, just doing the right thing. Obumblecare didn't reform the INDUSTRY! It just handed all of us to the insurance companies on a silver platter, while costing my company much, much more!
Into whose pockets did the money go?
Apparently, according to the law's designers, into subsidizing the "poor" who couldn't otherwise afford even minimal premiums. Oh, and insurance company's profits.
The increase purchased NOTHING of value for us. We simply pay more "because we can," without ANY reform of the industry nor benefit to us. THAT's the liberal mentality, and we are a case study in its baleful results.
By the way, how much did the company and it's employees give to defeat this, and support the other side?
Not a dime. We don't mix company business with politics.
Our broker had assured us that small business premiums would not increase. He was telling hundreds of his small business clients this. He told me flat out that he almost went out of business himself due to the loss of many clients who were outraged and found themselves shopping the exchanges anyway.
Sounds like you had too much money, anyway.
And there it is, the liberal mindset in full bloom.
As I said above, you liberals literally do not believe in private property. You believe that ALL property really belongs to "the collective," to be distributed and redistributed according to the whims of "the majority." Meanwhile, you assure that "the majority" is an ever-growing mass of the "huddled poor" who will perpetually vote themselves handouts.
The cost increase in company healthcare was SUBSTANTIAL. That was OUR money that could have gone into any number of worthy things, ranging from hiring another employee (our plan) to putting some small profit into the hands of the partners who actually do deserve it!
But the masterminds decided that OUR money was not really ours, that it must go into the hands of other people, with us purchasing NOT ONE BIT of benefit. Even if the partners had decided to pocket the money as profit, that was their RIGHT as OWNERS (the concept you can't get your mind around). Instead, you seem content with the idea that OUR partners don't get the money; instead the insurance companies get the money. So, on your model of thinking, WE had "too much," but apparently the insurance companies didn't have enough. So, this legalized THEFT is all good in your mind.
ABSURD!
So, yeah, if there's a snowball's chance in hell that His Hairness will "nudge things an inch" down the road toward a return to the notion of genuine PRIVATE PROPERTY, he'll have my vote over the Hillabeast! And that's not because I'm "right wing." It's because I'm SICK of all you liberal masterminds trying to decide WHO has "too much money" and WHO has "too little," as you play some sick Robin Hood game with MY money. Yeah, MINE, because I believe in OWNERSHIP.
I'll laugh in your faces at accusations of "selfishness." If I decided that YOU had "too much TV set" compared to me, so I TOOK it from you, you would be JUST as "selfish" about that theft. But somehow, when it's "all of us" deciding that certain people have "too much money," you are VERY content to abandon that "principle" you think protects your TV set from ME, as you rush to accuse good people just like me of "selfishness" for not wanting GOVERNMENT to do the EXACT same thing to me that my theft of your TV set does to you.
Passing a law doesn't make it legal nor right! Despite the absurdity of our SCOTUS on this front, the constitution is clear about property rights, and when you STEAL from me to give directly to somebody else, and that expenditure purchases NOTHING for me, that is theft plain and simple, whether YOU or YOUR government do it.
THIS is the great divide in this nation today: Those who insist on playing Robin Hood with other people's money vs. those who maintain a robust notion of property rights. You can doctor it up any way you want to feel better about yourselves. But Obumblecare was THE liberal thought-experiment played out in real life, and it accomplished NOTHING for us but to cost us 40.02% more overnight. And the liberal justification is immediately on display: "You had too much money."
Goooo, His Hairness!
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dirtbag
climber
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TGT, it's pathetic that you believe that stupid right wing propaganda.
It says a lot about your critical thinking skills.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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She's been ordered to jail.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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I nominate her as the new poster child for
'If you work for the gubmint you can't be fired for refusing to do yer job Society'
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Thank you Norton for your kind words (and also Fritz and Gary, whose comments from a couple of days ago I just now read), and also big thanks to Bob D'A, crankster, wilbeer, and especially to healyje, for taking the time to respond so thoroughly. Sorry if I forgot to mention anyone else. The size of the response surprised me.
I suspect I was a bit muddled in explaining my points, so I'll try again. I don't think that all, or ever most, supporters of the Democrats believe all or any of the 11 fallacies I listed, but I think some believe at least one, and a few may believe them all. My only point was that the Republicans have no monopoly on supporters who believe falsehoods.
That's why I intentionally overgeneralized in a way I hoped would be open and notorious. For example, I stated as a false belief "Free trade only helps the rich, and only hurts ordinary people." I think most Democrats know that trade issues have much greater complexity, but there are some who reflexively oppose international trade because they really believe what I stated.
We even see some of that sort of behavior on ST, believe it or not! Check out the old global warming thread that k-man started, and you'll see those whose response to the scientific evidence they don't like is that it's all a hoax to generate more research dollars for climate scientists. Or look at the fracking thread. When BASE104 provides scientific references, those opposed refuse to consider it because they know that fracking is bad. You get the same sorts of things with GMO's, or even organic food.
A glance at the letters to the editor in todays Fresno Bee inspired that last tirade, by the way. A letter writer from artsy-craftsy Three Rivers wrote that anyone opposed to localizing agriculture was a shill for big business. Really? In a valley whose agricultural production thrived because specialization is productive?
As I said, no one viewpoint has a monopoly on people who support that viewpoint for crazy reasons. Still, Bob D'A makes a great point: You can get a lot of good news on ST, and it's probably more accurate than that on any broadcast medium!
;>)
John
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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I nominate her as the new poster child for
'If you work for the gubmint you can't be fired for refusing to do yer job Society'
She's elected and can't be fired, only impeached.
John, you're right about the news on ST.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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She's elected? Who nominated her, Jenny Craig?
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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She's now in jail where she belongs for contempt.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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I think the hairstyle was enough to land her in the slammer.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Looks like she won't go to jail, as long as her deputies follow the law. One of the deputies is her son.
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