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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Well said Duffield
Let's do some math
Nearly 5 million terrorist killed by the U.S.
Nearly 5 trillion spent.
A million dollars a terrorist.
There are Corporate Headquarters with people high fiving as we speak.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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ET wrote: Good point. Obama has done so much better.
Yes he has.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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More republican logic.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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More republican logic.
Baffle the mind.
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couchmaster
climber
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Bob, here is the Office of Budget and Managements chart of the Federal Budget as proposed for 2015. What or what is your chart? Maybe yours was pre-Obamacare?
ps, that one above the chart is hilarious, thanks.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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One, or both, of those charts is BS. If Bob's is right then how does Obama
propose to go from spending 6% on 'government' to <1%? Wouldn't that be
Voodoo Economics?
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Is there a correlation between being easily duped and thinking that Obama's done a great job as prez?
Yes. or maybe blind.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Whoa, what happened, I was going to congratulate Bob for owning up to his mistake, but before I could that, he backedited?
Bob, do you or do you not take responsibility for posting an Internet meme that is wrong?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Yes to a point. :-)
Blah...go to the link I posted.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Well congratulations then! :)
I've seen variations of the misleading pie chart being posted for years, which greatly overstate the percentage of federal spending on defense.
I wish the libs would have enough respect for people to post stuff that was actually true, especially since the "point" (which is that the US spends an enormous amount on defense compared to the rest of the world) could in fact be made truthfully.
I just don't like being lied to (not saying Bob was lying, I'm sure he wasn't, just that he mistakenly posted false info).
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Note how cleverly republicans target the half of discretionary spending they don't like...
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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So doesn't SS & medicare generate revenues/taxes?
So what about the military?
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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[quote](Norton:)calling John
please elaborate on the stupidity of Democratic voters?
(Bob D"A:)Yes John...the mistakes the democrats make for voting on/for higher minimum wages, health care, clean air, clean water, SS, medicaid, medicare, less military, more infrastructure, food stamps, unemployment, workers rights, climate change, women rights, civil rights and so on. The very nerve./quote]
Before I respond, I need to acknowledge what I hope both Norton and Bob know, namely that I think both of them are highly intelligent, so when I attack some of the implications of their posts, I don't mean to impugn their intelligence. More fundamentally, my comments were made about voters. The policy differences inherent in some of Bob's and Norton's comments aren't what I'm talking about. Reasonable minds can differ about when the ACA is good or bad for health care, or what needs to be done to restore SS or medicare to acuarial solvency. Similarly, we can argue about who is helped and who is hurt by a $15/hr minimum wage, or where the proper balance lies in regulation or trade-offs between, say, an environment undefiled by humanity and humanity's desire for existence.
Those policy differences aren't what I'm talking about. Intelligent people disagree over all of those things. The stupidity to which I refer is more in the beliefs of certain voters in the following, among many others:
1. That there is no actuarial insolvency problem with Social Security. After all, in 20 years it can still pay 70% of what it owes (paraphrase of actual argument propounded by moveon.org);
2. Greedy bankers are the sole cause of the housing bubble and its bursting;
3. We can build a high speed rail in California and still spend the money we want to spend elsewhere;
4. Regulation protects the public, but not the regulated;
5. The cost of environmental protection or reduction of carbon emissions can be ignored. It's only the greedy businesses that care about it anyway;
6. Public transportation pays for itself;
7. MSNBC, Democracy Now! and ABC, CBS and NBC give unbiased and accurate news reporting;
8. Free trade only helps the rich, and only hurts ordinary people;
9. The government spends most of its money on the military (Sorry Bob. Social Security and Medicare don't "generate tax revenue." They just have tax revenue earmarked to fund a portion of their expenses);
10. We don't need to worry about public employee pension liabilities. If we just tax "the rich" a little more, we can pay for it all; and
11. The only way to get more is to take it from somebody else, i.e. the economy is a zero-sum game.
That's just a beginning. The hatred spewed by the left (and, not infrequently on these pages ) toward "Old, rich white men," "Wall Street" [a hatred shared by the Trump devotees], rural Americans who "hang onto their guns and religion," etc., is just as delusional as that of the Trump followers toward undocumented aliens (or, in the case of the Minuteman Project, immigrants generally).
Sorry, but voter stupidity permeates all frequencies of the political spectrum, and is as common now as it was in the days of H. L. Mencken's famous line that no one went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public -- or maybe even P. T. Barnum's dictum
John
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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Here's another Bob D'A error
"More republican logic"
Guess what? She was elected as a Democrat. Sorry, your posts are in my trash can with Cranks.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I like that last pie chart, but I'd change it to move 11% out of "defense" spending", and add 1% to each of the other categories, which would probably make a significant difference in the lives of most Americans.
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dirtbag
climber
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Saw a Trump voter driving down a street.
I know he was a trump voter because he had a confederate flag bumper sticker with "Nobama" written across the flag.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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^^^
Hard to disagree with the sentiment. I personally subscribe to the "No 'Bama" mantra. You ever been there? Alabama sux!
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