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fear

Ice climber
hartford, ct
Sep 1, 2015 - 07:44am PT
Bread and Circus.... nothing more.

The machine owns the MSM, ergo anyone you see on it is part of it.

Like WWE wrestling events.... we know it's all staged but boy it's fun to watch and "vote" on a winner...
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Sep 1, 2015 - 08:38am PT
In related news: Saying that "things just didn't work out," the billionaire Koch brothers have decided to put Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker up for sale.
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/cutting-losses-kochs-to-sell-scott-walker
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Sep 1, 2015 - 08:57am PT
2016 GOP race - let's call it what it is: an insanely abrupt escalation in a fifty year race to appeal to the lowest common denominator in irrational, white male fear.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Sep 1, 2015 - 09:09am PT
Not to mention blurring the Real issues.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Sep 1, 2015 - 09:55am PT
Someone who is an atheist doesn't have a right to tell someone who isn't an atheist what they can or cannot do or what they can or cannot say.

Except this puts the lie to his whole spiel.
zBrown

Ice climber
Sep 1, 2015 - 11:32am PT

Dr. Ben Carson recently said that Obamacare was the worst thing since slavery.


The primary reason that White social conservatives are so enamored with Black conservatives like Dr. Carson and Allen West is, these people allow themselves to be placed in the role that conservatives want to see ALL Black people - essentially, grinnin’ children who know their place, deferential to white people, and hostile toward all other Black people who are arrogant enough to consider themselves equal to the White population.

So thinking big, Ben apparently believes that slavery was bad, how bad we do not know.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Sep 1, 2015 - 11:37am PT
Being republican - not exactly a high bar.

throwpie

Trad climber
Berkeley
Sep 1, 2015 - 11:58am PT
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Sep 1, 2015 - 12:00pm PT
From Bret Stephens in today's Wall Street Journal:

"If by now you don't find Donald Trump appalling, you're appalling.

If you have reached physical maturity and still chuckle at Mr. Trump's pubescent jokes about Rosie O'Donnell or Heidi Klum, you will never reach mental maturity. If you watched Mr. Trump mock fellow candidate Lindsey Graham's low poll number and don't cringe at the lack of class, you are incapable of class. If you think we need to build new apirports in Queens the way they build them in Qatar, you should be sent to join the millions of forced laborers who do construction in the Persian Gulf. It would serve you right.

. . .There will be other opportunities to write about the radical affinities and moralizing conceits of Democrats and libverals. For now, let's speak plainly about what the Trump ascendancy says about the potential future of the Republican Party and the conservative movement.

It says that we may soon have a conservative movement in which the American creed of 'give us your tired, your poor' could yield to the Trumpian creeed that American must not become a 'dumping ground' to poor immigrants from Latin America, as if these millions of hardworking and God-fearing people are a specimen of garbage.

. . .It says that a sizeable consituency in a party that is supposed to favor a plain reading of the Constitution objects to a plan reading of the 14th Amendment: 'All persons born or naturalized int he United States, and subject to the jurisdiciton thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein which they reside.'"

. . .It says that a movement that is supposed to believe in economic freedom doesn't believe in the essence of economic freedom: to wit, the free movement of goods, services, capital and labor.

. . .Because the Republican Party has not lost its mind - at least not yet - I doubt that Mr. Trump will be its presidential nominee. . . Voters, like diners in a fancy restaurant, may entertain the idea of ordering the pigeon, but they'll probably wind up with the chicken.

. . .Republicans like to think of America as an exceptional nation. And it is, not least in its distaste for demagogues. Donald Trump's candidacy puts the strength of that distaste to the test."

I think Peggy Noonan has a reasonable analysis of the current state of American politics, viz that most of the electorate is convinced that an elite minority rules everything, gets everything, and is responsible for all their problems. Their only disagreement is on the identity of the culprits and what to do about it. Thus, some support Sanders, and the rest support Trump. While, as Stephens suggests, trying to rationalize Trump's candidacy is like "applying bathroom deodorizer to mask the stench" of the Trump candidacy, I think Noonan is pretty close to the truth.

It does not reflect well on my party, or on the U.S. electorate generally.

John
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Sep 1, 2015 - 12:04pm PT
The primary reason that White social conservatives are so enamored with Black conservatives like Dr. Carson and Allen West is, these people allow themselves to be placed in the role that conservatives want to see ALL Black people - essentially, grinnin’ children who know their place, deferential to white people, and hostile toward all other Black people who are arrogant enough to consider themselves equal to the White population.

I think that quote reflects, more than anything else, the anger of the left when one of theirs escapes from the plantation. Sorry to use such inflammatory rhetoric, but the vitriolic nature of the left's denunciation of Republican women and Republican racial or ethnic minorities, using words they would never permit ot be used against one of their own, leads to no other conclusion.

John
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Sep 1, 2015 - 12:07pm PT
Buckley is roiling in his grave; good thing he didn't live to see the side-show his party has become.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 1, 2015 - 12:08pm PT
JL...and then we have this man who the rest of the world sees in a different way than the republican party.

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/gop-hatred-loses-more-ground-president-obama-named-most-admired-man-in-the-world/


Also...could you please give me a list of the bills passed by the republicans that have helped the average/middle class Americans?
throwpie

Trad climber
Berkeley
Sep 1, 2015 - 12:09pm PT
dirtbag

climber
Sep 1, 2015 - 12:12pm PT
All good points in that column, John.

But your party has been playing patty cake with trump supporters for awhile, and this is the mess the Republican Party has made for itself. They should've passed an immigration bill a couple of years ago and put these folks back in their holes. But they killed it.

Republicans have wanted the votes, but not the voters.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Sep 1, 2015 - 12:29pm PT
I think Peggy Noonan has a reasonable analysis

This statement has never been, nor will it ever be true.
Magic Dolphin Lady, typically about six Tom Collins deep when typing her drivel.

The rightwing base thinks crime is out of control, despite a huge drop in violent crime over the last 20 years. They believe our President doesn't adress illegal immigration, despite record levels of deportations. They believe "welfare queens" and "foreign aid" are the source of their economic ills, despite being tiny portions of the budget. They believe those at the bottom of the economic ladder are "taking our jobs", despite the fact that they view working in chicken houses, slaughterhouses, farm fields,roofing and digging ditches, and restaurant kitchens as beneath them.

The difference, John, as you well know, is that the left is CORRECT when viewing the elite minority (minority economically, not racially) as being at the root of the problem, and they have the DATA to back that up. Whereas the right is wrong when they blame their economic ills on a non-elite minority (poor non-whites).

JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Sep 1, 2015 - 12:31pm PT
Also...could you please give me a list of the bills passed by the republicans that have helped the average/middle class Americans?

Starting when, Bob? Also, what do you mean by "passed by Republicans?" Most bills that helped average Americans had at least some measure of bipartisanship. I suppose you could say the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was "passed by Republicans," since most of the dissenters were Democrats, but without the support of Lyndon Johnson and the Democratic leadership the bill may have failed.

Similarly, the two tax reform bills passed during the Reagan presidency, that engendered 25 years of strong economic growth, had strong Republican support, but would not have passed without the support of many Democrats.

What about railroad and airline deregulation, that lowevered fares and freight rates dramatically? It was a Republican idea, but came into being because of support by Carter and the Democratic leadership.

The Republicans never had a filibuster and/or veto-proof majority, so I can't think of any bills passed by Republicans without some Democratic support, period.

I challenge you to demonstrate legislation at any level (state, federal or local) that the Democrats alone enacted that benefitted the poor or middle-class generally, rather than narrow, special-interest groups within the middle class or poor (e.g. government employees).

John
dirtbag

climber
Sep 1, 2015 - 12:35pm PT
The ACA.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Sep 1, 2015 - 12:49pm PT
John...this congress.

EL cap..you are wasting your time posting facts...they feed on emotions.
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 1, 2015 - 12:50pm PT
Also...could you please give me a list of the bills passed by the republicans that have helped the average/middle class Americans?

Actually it's the bills not passed (and the money not taken from their pockets, the useless over-regulation, the coddling of special interests, protectionist job-destroying regulation, etc.) that may give the average/middle class American some small hope for economic survival.

And anyone who thinks that children of illegal aliens need to be given US citizenship should write a short essay on what the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means in the context of the 14th Amendment. (I know libs are pretty good at pretending parts of the constitution that they don't like, such as the 2nd Amendment, either don't exist or have ridiculous meanings like "the national guard has the right have weapons," so I don't really expect them to fess up. But it's fun to see them squirm.)
blahblah

Gym climber
Boulder
Sep 1, 2015 - 01:22pm PT
It's hard to post specific examples of bills not passed--but the general point is that we need some good old fashioned Austrian School economic policies to put the economy on solid footing. The repubs do a pretty bad job in enacting those policies (and a terrible job in the case of Bush), but the dems are even worse!
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