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Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Gun thread!
Must. Make. Popcorn.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Inner city culture is by and large a product of racisim. Had blacks been truly liberated 150 years ago and given the same education and opportunities as whites I doubt that the inner city culture to which you refer would even exist.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Racism and poverty a huge hole to climb out of. Also, whites kill other whites at almost the same percentage as blacks kill blacks.
Poverty is at the root of most of this behavior.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Yes much it is a populer hip hop culture thing. When was the last time you read about Justin Timberlake popping off rounds at Mick Jager over some stupid turf bullsh#t? The music stars of the hip hop culture are not poverty stricken yet still shoot each other. Placeing blame on the past is the problem. Any time you sit there and go oh poor me nothing will ever change and you will never improve your situation.
Yes there needs to be a discussion about police tactics, training and attitudes. There needs to be a discussion about stupid mandatory drug sentances. These discussions are happening and that is a good thing. There also needs to be a serious discussion about these kids killing each other every day. And not just a gun control discussion because most of the places where this gun violence happens (with the exception of Texas)have the strictest gun control laws in the country. The problem is that the kids in these communitys seem to think it is acceptable to solve their problems by shooting people. very often they shoot people over complete micky mouse bullsh#t. precieved slights to honor, parking spaces etc.. Change in police community relations can't fix that. The only way to fix that is for these communitys to stop accepting that behavior as the norm.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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That discussion can't happen because anyone who tries to start it gets labeled a racist and completly thrashed...
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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War on drugs + class segregation + loss of jobs = displaced youth
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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There was a fairly vibrant black middle class and black intact family rates were very close to their white counterparts before the "great society" started. (That black middle class with strong family and religious values still exists,diminished, and no longer in the cities. They don't want to be there either.)
Then Uncle Sugar replaced the father in the household and now several generations of fatherless households later we have the result.
Add on top of that the poverty pimps that preach victim-hood and dependence and an entertainment industry that feeds a steady diet of misogyny and violence and look what you get.
ALL of those cities with high violence rates are run by "liberal" "progressives" and have been for generations.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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TGT, your ignorance is astonishing and Tradman, your arguments are pathetically simplistic....wallow along.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Not denying that the inner city has a tough situation. I am saying that they have to move forward from the blame game and focus on their own improvement. They can not expect someone else to fix everything. Their communitys have to stop tolerateing this behavior.
VT has almost almost zero gun control laws. We rely mostly on federal gun laws. Very few state gun laws and most of them relate to hunting. Not saying that our low crime is due to lax gun laws just saying that strict gun laws don't seem to stop gun violence in our country.
In Vt you mostly get killed over domestic violence. You simply don't get killed over parking places and turf. It's all broken hearts, booze and drugs with the ocasional mental illness case... in a reall rough year we barely break into doubble digits.
Recent Violent crime stats for VT.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/vtcrime.htm
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jim. you are right. I am incredibly simplistic. I have no colege education. I was working 40hr weeks as a dishwasher in high school. Whatever is happening right now is not working.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jim,
Why don't you come up with some rational refutations to my points?
you are beginning to sound like Dr. F.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Just maybe if they started haveing demonstrations against the crime in their own communitys something would change for real.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jim I respect both you and Bob. I just do not see how things can really improve without a huge ammount of effort from the people most affected.
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Norton
Social climber
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just saying that strict gun laws don't seem to stop gun violence in our country.
not true, the facts speak the opposite
Massachusetts has the most restrictive gun laws and one of the lowest rates of gun
death per capita in the country
by contrast, Alaska has the least restrictive gun laws and one of the highest rates
of death by firearm in the country
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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MD has wicked strict gun laws. Chicago has strict gun laws, CA has wicked strict gun laws. Mass holes have strict gun laws but mostly just beat each other up over road rage and sports teams.... VT has almost no gun laws and almost no murders.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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You can side track it with a gun control argument that won't solve jack sh#t unless the people who live in citys like Baltimore and Chicago take a real stand against violence in their communitys.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Alaska also has a large welfare dependent and alcohol infused population segment as well.
Betcha a little statistical investigation would show that's also where the gun violence is.
Black "culture" was once vibrant and is now dysfunctional in the progressively run cities.
No amount of disarmament will fix that.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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We had a picknic out here in the country today at the local gun range. shot a bunch of rounds of trap. 60 people and most everyone had guns. no one got shot. Put 60 armed people together in an inner city park for a picnic and someone is almost garuenteed to get shot. It's a city problem more than a gun problem.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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My oh my....over and out.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jim. I do know that guns are a problem but they are a much, much, much bigger problem in the city than the country. The laws that get passed to try and make things better in the city end up being a PINTA to the people liveing in the country.
Seriously. do you think that the inner city problems can be legislated away? pass a a few more laws and everything is fixed?
What do you think needs to happen for things to really get better?
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