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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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There is a certain higher ape in need of culling. There population has grown to the point where they are upsetting the balance of nature and they are rapidly spoiling there nest....global warming, rain forest destruction, pollution of rivers, extermination of other creatures etc.
Most daming of all....some of the lesser among them have gotten into politics with the clear intent of making sure that the despoiling of the planet they reside on continues unabated.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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That means managed shooting of a few lions from time to time. Why not get
more money doing that?
Its for the good of the animals and good business practice and media butt
hurt about it will surely doom lions to extinction.
I will grant the logic of the above argument.
However, you don't allow the killing of a main attraction. You don't allow the illegal baiting of an icon out of a protected area to be killed. You don't allow an animal to be taken by way of a technique that is virtually guaranteed to not kill, but produce prolonged agony of a beloved particular creature.
It is the wacko "kill at any cost" philosophy that results in these outrages, that makes the reasonable argument for management just very hard to swallow.....the abuses that result when you actually allow people with a kill mentality to make decisions seem to naturally follow.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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donini said what needed to be said. The problem is too many humans and their selfish desires. Wildlife would not need to be "managed" if homo sapien sapien had not caused the problem. Killing keystone species with no understanding of the impact. No amount of funding from guided killing will fix ignorance and human overpopulation.
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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I did not say no humans, just less ignorant, selfish humans. It does not matter where they live or what color they are, but many old, white guys seem to be the most misguided about their entitlement.
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philo
climber
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^^^I think your sheet is too tight.
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philo
climber
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Well when the sheet fits...
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philo
climber
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The three most common lies a cowboy tells;
My truck is paid for
I won this belt buckle
Honest I was only helping the sheep over the fence.
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philo
climber
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Jia Jia, the oldest living panda in captivity, turns 37 today that's the equivalent of 110 years old in human life. How much would some self indulgent tw#t pay to poach this trophy?
Being in "captivity" should really help the brave bwanas.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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In Zimbabwe, We Don’t Cry for Lions
By GOODWELL NZOUAUG. 4, 2015
Winston-Salem, N.C. — MY mind was absorbed by the biochemistry of gene editing when the text messages and Facebook posts distracted me.
So sorry about Cecil.
Did Cecil live near your place in Zimbabwe?
Cecil who? I wondered. When I turned on the news and discovered that the messages were about a lion killed by an American dentist, the village boy inside me instinctively cheered: One lion fewer to menace families like mine.
My excitement was doused when I realized that the lion killer was being painted as the villain. I faced the starkest cultural contradiction I’d experienced during my five years studying in the United States.
Did all those Americans signing petitions understand that lions actually kill people? That all the talk about Cecil being “beloved” or a “local favorite” was media hype? Did Jimmy Kimmel choke up because Cecil was murdered or because he confused him with Simba from “The Lion King”?
In my village in Zimbabwe, surrounded by wildlife conservation areas, no lion has ever been beloved, or granted an affectionate nickname. They are objects of terror....
PETA is calling for the hunter to be hanged. Zimbabwean politicians are accusing the United States of staging Cecil’s killing as a “ploy” to make our country look bad. And Americans who can’t find Zimbabwe on a map are applauding the nation’s demand for the extradition of the dentist, unaware that a baby elephant was reportedly slaughtered for our president’s most recent birthday banquet.
We Zimbabweans are left shaking our heads, wondering why Americans care more about African animals than about African people.
Don’t tell us what to do with our animals when you allowed your own mountain lions to be hunted to near extinction in the eastern United States. Don’t bemoan the clear-cutting of our forests when you turned yours into concrete jungles.
And please, don’t offer me condolences about Cecil unless you’re also willing to offer me condolences for villagers killed or left hungry by his brethren, by political violence, or by hunger.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/05/opinion/in-zimbabwe-we-dont-cry-for-lions.html?_r=0
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Some people can worry about more than one thing at a time, in case you're too stupid to figure that out.
No one said we don't care about the plight of Africa and it's people.
It was the morons that took this all out context and starting comparing it to the other million atrocities that the knuckle draggers have caused.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Some people can worry about more than one thing at a time, in case you're too stupid to figure that out.
No one said we don't care about the plight of Africa and it's people.
It was the morons that took this all out context and starting comparing it to the other million atrocities that the knuckle draggers have caused.
It's not about worrying about more than one thing at time.
It's about the disproportionate importance attached to emotional stories, while big picture TIA issues, like war, poverty, disease and slavery, may get a passing notice.
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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EVERYTHING is contrary to Federal Law.--"Federal Law" Olmstead
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dirtbag
climber
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Did all those people signing petitions benefitting children realize that people kill people?
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Chuckcar
climber
CityByTheBay
Aug 5, 2015 - 10:05am PT
Did all those Americans signing petitions understand that lions actually kill people?
More stupid stuff from EdwardT.
Whooosh!
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philo
climber
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Friends of yours Ron?
Three men were arrested in Gaston County, North Carolina after allegedly amassing an arsenal and making their own bombs out of fear that the government was about to enact martial law, the Asheville Citizen Times reported.
Federal investigators said two of the suspects, 50-year-old Walter Eugene Litteral and 30-year-old Christopher Todd Campbell, voiced their skepticism regarding the Operation Jade Helm military training exercises, which conspiracy theorists believe is the prelude to a military takeover.
READ MORE: For the second time this week, white man opens fire on Jade Helm training site in Mississippi
The FBI began investigating the two men, along with 41-year-old Christopher James Barker, last month after receiving a tip that Barker and Litteral were trying to make homemade explosives, which the latter reportedly called “game changers.” The bombs were allegedly made by filling tennis balls with ball bearings, then covering them in nails and coffee cans.
WTVD-TV reported that Litteral bought body armor, Kevlar helmets, and radios. He also reportedly planned to buy an assault rifle and ammunition for Barker, who was ineligible to do so himself because of prior convictions for possessing cocaine and stolen goods.
The three men reportedly planned to test their weapons out in Shelby, with Litteral allegedly saying, “It is going to be great.”
After being arrested on Saturday, the three suspects face federal charges of conspiring to violate federal laws regarding firearms and explosive devices. Campbell also faces a separate weapons charge. They are due back in court on Thursday for detention hearings. It was unclear as of Tuesday night whether they had attorneys.
Reports of the arrest came on the same day that two men allegedly opened fire on a “Jade Helm 15″ training site in Mississippi
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dirtbag
climber
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It's all fun and games until the dipshits start building bombs and firing weapons.
These kooks sure sound like members of Ron's Boy Scout troop.
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