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overwatch

climber
Oct 6, 2015 - 01:34pm PT
I for one would like to see more of your drone shot climbing footage. I said it before and I'll say it again drone use can or maybe is already for all I know, revolutionize climbing video
Gary

Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
Oct 6, 2015 - 01:37pm PT
Tell that to the police Chopper flying a 100 feet above your home.

Whatever aviation easements that might be in effect, you own the airspace above your property, just like you own to the center of the earth below your property.

The police chopper is trespassing if it's only 100 feet up. Just like an officer is trespassing.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 7, 2015 - 07:09am PT
http://theadvocate.com/news/13641316-172/ascension-parish-resident-shoots-down
skcreidc

Social climber
SD, CA
Oct 7, 2015 - 08:08am PT
You can't discharge a firearm within city limits in many areas, even semi rural areas. I know I can't in San Diego. My dad, living on the outskirts of Payson AZ and on a few acres, hunts his property with a crossbow because it is illegal to use a firearm within the city limits. Probably saves him a fair amount on reloads tho... ;)

Another thing to remember when you are pizzed off at the drone near your house is what goes up must come down. Shotgun pellets are not as much of a problem as bullets, but can still put an eye out so pay attention which direction you shoot.

nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 7, 2015 - 08:48am PT
I did my first solo today and I can tell you the last thing I was thinking about was being visited by a sUAV.

Otherwise I'm the worlds newest PIC (at least for another hour or three?).
jeff constine

Trad climber
Ao Namao
Oct 7, 2015 - 01:24pm PT
Overwatch, I have just been shooting stills. Video editing kills my time to climb.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 7, 2015 - 01:56pm PT
sounds like you have more of a problem being spied on in foreign countries. what is it you are not telling us?

will be interesting to see where this goes:

“They can pinpoint the operator,” DeFazio said. “They can force the drone to land, they can force it to go back to the operator. Or, in the case of hostiles, they can deliver something to the operator.”

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/10/07/faa-drone-research-airports-caci-international/73516606/
PAUL SOUZA

Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
Oct 7, 2015 - 02:02pm PT
Someone needs to make a focused radio jammer to bring those f'in things down.

This past Saturday I was relaxing in El Cap Meadow and took a snooze. I awoke to hear the buzzing of a damn sUAV. UGH! The guy was flying it for about 10 mins. I packed up my stuff and headed to my bike and was going to stop by and warn them that flying drones are illegal in the park. But when I got there they packed it up.
couchmaster

climber
Oct 8, 2015 - 06:01am PT


Medusa, great climbing shots via your drone. Thanks for sharing them. Next issue: "They" were listening to Paul Souze up there and fixed this issue for you DMT, get these for airports, the range is over 20 miles. Done worrying over it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3264166/The-drone-death-ray-knock-UAVs-mile-away-using-radio-waves.html

The "Death Ray" picture.


nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 8, 2015 - 06:41am PT
couch - did you read my article i posted about the FAA and CACI relationship? It sounds like that is the technology we need at airports. I particularly like the idea of sending a package to the hostile operator ;-)
squishy

Mountain climber
Oct 8, 2015 - 09:35am PT
5.8ghz, 2.4ghz, and 1.2ghz helical antennas with a target designator and a little power behind them, very nice...that will do the trick nicely..it's super easy to swamp a hobby from signal, we do it to each other all the time with our equipment, by accident.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 8, 2015 - 10:01am PT
whatcha gonna do about my UHF big boy?!?!?!
portent

Social climber
your mom's house
Oct 20, 2015 - 07:05am PT
Had my first drone experience a few weeks ago. Completely annoying and they kept circling above use, we were just hanging out and drinking beers. I' already have to deal with the bay area riff-raff, now this?!? :)

At least Jeff can get some rad shots of himself to go home and... well... you know...
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 20, 2015 - 09:30pm PT
portent - that sucks.

don't expect much to come from yesterdays announcement that there will be an announcement regarding drone registration. The FAA is a sh#t-show and coupled with congress, well, exponential sh#t-show.

Yes, reasonable registration is a must. But do you remember when the FCC tried to make you register CB's? Yeah, how'd that go over.

And for f*#k sake - gun registration is even more overdue. how's that working out?

Myself, I could really care less about all of this. My big rig is already registered. All of my vehicles will be registered. I've no choice under our 333 exemption. I have no complaints (other than the FAA taking waaaaay to long to grant our exemption)

The problem here is they are going the wrong route. They did that math - there isn't enough potential N-numbers to go around. I do not believe tail number registration is the answer. The system was never designed for this and simply cannot handle it. A visible tail number is not going to help.

Yes, link the serial number to the person that bought it. That will work for not very long (sold on ebay?)

I watched the House sub-committee hearing on drones two weeks ago so this is no surprise. Most of this is a bunch of knee-jerk reactions from people who still don't have a clue about WTF any of this is about. And if you wish to argue my last point you should watch the C-SPAN replay of it before commenting. It was pathetic - though, I'm sure, symbolic of how our gubberment doesn't run.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 21, 2015 - 06:35am PT
machine guns and drones - gun nuts gonna love this

http://www.guns.com/2015/10/20/drone-watches-world-famous-knob-creek-night-shoot-video/?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=562684bb04d3015ed1000001&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 21, 2015 - 07:25am PT
Firing squad! ;)


Uh... don't you mean - Send in a Drone Strike! ;)


The insurance thing is not happening for recreational operators. It's going to be difficult enough to get the registration process going. As a commercial operator I am required to carry $1M liability and property damage insurance. That of course makes sense.


Also, I don't see any sort of real policing happening (they eluded to nothing of the sort at either the announcement of the announcement or in the sub-committee hearing). The point is to be able to trace the vehicle back to the owner when something dumb happens (like it crashes on the WH lawn).

On this I am opposed as it's not practical and the last thing we need is an even greater police state. Or at the very least I have mixed feelings. I just don't see how it could work in a practical way.

It's f-ing pathetic watching the children react to this. Some real stupid sh#t.
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 21, 2015 - 04:29pm PT
^^^^ Looks expensive but maybe DMT and I could time-share one?

What I'm really waiting for is one I could aim at news choppers that
would cause the pilot to sh!t his britches.
squishy

Mountain climber
Oct 21, 2015 - 04:48pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 21, 2015 - 05:04pm PT
Nice squishy.

I'm going on record right now and stating they will not have this implemented by christmas. They don't even know what they are up against. They have little idea about the bullshit stupidity that is going on with the current registration process.

1) What are they going to do have carbon copy form 8050-1 sitting on the counter at HobbyLobby for everyone that buys a toy? You have to email the FAA or stop by a regional FSDO office. The carbon copy form is not going away.

2) the registration process and reasons for kicking forms back are very inconsistent. I had a conversation today with a guy that's been doing this for a couple years and he points out he can't get a straight answer on what is the right way to fill out the forms. He's getting forms kicked back because they used blue ink instead of black - yet the form clearly states USE INK without stating a color. WTF?

3) There are not enough N- numbers to go around.

4) If you purchase a DJI Phantom you have to prove it was not registered in another country. So you submit a form to the FAA which is used to make a request to the federal government to contact the Chinese government to prove the drone was not already registered. and the DJI products are the most popular selling right now.

5) Privacy - a 12 year old wants to register a drone and submits their info. What's public record? Back side of the instructions for form 8050-1 disclose the privacy and some of your information is public record. Serious implications for minors.


This registration process is the wrong approach. I do not believe the FAA registration department should be tasked with this.

And seriously - flood an office with a million registration forms (currently there are about 350K registered) and kick 2/3rds back because you didn't do something right even though you followed directions? People will tell the FAA to GFYS.

At the rate the FAA is moving it's laughable to think they can have this in place in two months. Just laughable.


I should hear back in a week or so how the process went for my first vehicle. I should be good as my advantage is it was built in the US so 8050-1 and a sales receipt is all I need according to the directions.



Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Oct 21, 2015 - 05:13pm PT
Well, Nature, knowing the FAA quite well I cannot disagree with you. As an
example look up the history of Microwave Landing System. LOL - the FAA
dicked around with that for at least 5 years IIRC, if not more.

BTW, Nature, my bro-in-law is a licenced Airframe & Powerplant mechanic in
addition to being an ATP. Crawling into the tail cone on a Dash 8 was not
on the pre-flight checklist! ;-/
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