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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Sep 16, 2015 - 03:57pm PT
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maybe this belongs in the shameless selfie thread?
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MikeMc
Social climber
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Sep 16, 2015 - 03:59pm PT
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^^^ that beer looks cold.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 16, 2015 - 04:00pm PT
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If it's not cold then there are multiple things wrong with that image.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 16, 2015 - 04:36pm PT
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Gary - thank you for that link. I had not seen it. That's messed up.
I don't want to give you guys too hard of a time but I can't not make the connection to the things we posted up thread and this story. An 11 year old got hit by a drone. The FAA is investigating. I'll assume the story is real (don't see any reason to not figure that) and thus worth investigating. They should put their energy into this - this is messed up.
But what say you guys about the article posted regarding the AMA's findings. Why no response? It's disingenuous to post a story like this w/o addressing the other side. Is that how you roll?
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Sep 16, 2015 - 07:09pm PT
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nature, there's no comparison between your professional use of drones and what an increasing number of yahoos are doing. The "aviator" in Pasadena deserves whatever he's got coming. Just like the car driver in the other story.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 16, 2015 - 07:31pm PT
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Gary, I absolutely agree with you on that.
But perhaps you did not read the post both squish and I referred to? The basic conclusion is that these near miss drone reports are not what they appear. Further, the biggest point I took away from the article is that given that conclusion perhaps our time would be better spent taking care of business with real events (like the link you posted)?
And as far as the idea of any of us really being "aviators" we can just move past that. We are operators and some of us have a background in aviation. With that background we might be termed that since not all aviation requires the human body leaves the ground in a flying vehicle (pretty sure my ground school session early in the AM qualifies me as a student aviator at the very least?).
Flying the one on the right tomorrow:
This 152 just landed. Wild that you can see past the cowling and right into the cylinders:
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Sep 16, 2015 - 07:39pm PT
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Further, the biggest point I took away from the article is that given that conclusion perhaps our time would be better spent taking care of business with real events (like the link you posted)?
Dealing with reality is always a good thing.
I always wanted to fly, but having no depth perception made it a non-starter I thought.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Sep 16, 2015 - 11:10pm PT
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Story so far is that is was a wannbe professional filming an event..which is actually some of the most dangerous ones because they risk crowds and dangerous flights for the "shot"...where as hobbyists are out in the open in safe places and there to enjoy themselves...big difference. Flying over crowds is still debated in drone pilot circles, hard to believe that professionals would advocate for it, but some actually defend it. Recently a very old hobby company posted a video on youtube from a multirotor craft they began to sell. The community jumped on them for flying over an event and crowds for much of it. It was removed within days.
this as#@&%e who hit the child and the incident leading to it is exactly the type of hypothetical scenario I used in an article years ago about flying over crowds within our local community. It was ill received then, people thought I was nuts and I was the fun police for preaching to everyone about flying safe. When we lack good laws we had to make up some of our own and self police, and we did. This type of incident will actually be more common without some good common sense regulations. Hitting airplanes in the sky is not what I am concerned with. It's hitting people and things on the ground.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Sep 17, 2015 - 07:31am PT
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overwatch
climber
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Sep 17, 2015 - 09:40am PT
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Eleven MONTHS old
For the record I have no doubt Squishy and Nature are both responsible professionals
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Sep 17, 2015 - 09:46am PT
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Yes we need common sense laws governing the use of drones. We should take input from the professional side of the business in terms of needs, but we should not leave the determination of common sense in the hands of drone operators. We need to hold the FAA feet to the fire and again ask our legislators to come up with safety rules that protect aviation and people, all at once. I don't really care if squishy isn't concerned about a drone taking out an airplane. His insistence that this can't or won't happen is a prime example of why we can't leave the rule book in the hands of the kids. They just can't be trusted.
lol putting words in my mouth, mis characterizing me, all signs of a illogical person without a illogical argument and failing to miss all the nuance of this convo.
We should take input from the professional side of the business in terms of needs
There are none, this is a new industry with a revolutionary start coming from the hobbyists garages, the hobbyists and people like me, the community I come from are the subject matter experts in the field right now, that is what you fail to understand. There's a reason the FAA, FCC and AMA brought me in to the drone nationals and the flight director and safety boss..there's a damn good reason..
His insistence that this can't or won't happen is a prime example of why we can't leave the rule book in the hands of the kids. They just can't be trusted.
When have I ever stated it will never happen or cannot happen? where? And you just called a 37 year old a kid, lol you old fart. Simply put bro, I am the professional, I am representative of "kids" with the most powerful resumes in this industry.
So your tactic to discredit me in front of a populace or even officials who already come to me for all the information on the subject, is sort of just sad really. The only reason I still engage you is because I actually like you. But dude...get a grip..lol
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 17, 2015 - 11:43am PT
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yeah, DMT what's with the mischaracterization on squishy? Not to mention the passive aggressive insults. it's very unbecoming.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Sep 17, 2015 - 01:05pm PT
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He thinks he has historical beef with me when it was misunderstanding instigated by sick trolls. You know how he just loves those trolls..it's all good, that was in a past life for me and I do stop to explain, make excuses or clear any of it up (so maybe this is ultimately on me). I severed all ties with that life for good reason and it's healthy for me to not revisit it..dingus can choose to do what he pleases..but swimming against the cloud of quads is not something he will be successful in doing, lol. The drone revolution is literally crashing on his head, like a mavericks wave, he is nothing but a grain of sand and maybe he knows it...embrace the future or get out the way and move to a care facility...
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Sep 17, 2015 - 01:15pm PT
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While I am a state gov employ and US army vet, I do not fly drones in anyway shape or form that resembles the military use of them. But I admit, this tool can be used for bad and evil things. Easily. But so can everything, like a stick, knife, hammer and even an ice pick (which started a world war). That is a fact of life and something we must live with. We need to afford the same respect we give all our tools, to drones (and the people who have learned to build and fly them competently and safely). for the good and the bad that it brings, they are here to stay..a better use of our time would be education...not debate
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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Sep 17, 2015 - 04:34pm PT
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For the record I have no doubt Squishy and Nature are both responsible professionals
Maybe at flying drones, but have you see the quality of Nature's photos up-thread?
Just deplorable.
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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Sep 17, 2015 - 08:53pm PT
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Late night weigh in on drones from me:I don't see too much wrong with them when I don't see them .......it's when I have been in a public place seeking serenity and someone has no consideration for peace and quiet and flies over me. Last time was in a quiet space reflection park in Sedona. Not too stoked to see these things invade my beach experience, my climbing experience etc... kind of like going to a public place and seeing everyone looking at their smartphones instead of talking to each other. Cue in LOCKER style ....
modern masturbation.....
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justthemaid
climber
Jim Henson's Basement
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Sep 18, 2015 - 05:33am PT
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Had our first drone incident up at Schulman Grove this week. Guy was buzzing the Discovery Trail too close pissing people off. Dumbass crashed it into the talus and bailed before we could run him off. Hope it cost him a lot of $.
It's safe to say that flying drones around any area where people have an extremely high expectation of peace, quiet and serenity is totally asinine and inappropriate.
I'm with Tim on...
I don't see too much wrong with them when I don't see them ......
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Sep 18, 2015 - 07:13am PT
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Maybe at flying drones, but have you see the quality of Nature's photos up-thread?
you just wait until those deplorable IR images are of you after I saved your lost ass on a SAR mission :-P
I really do not understand those that would fly in a crowd where it is visibly obvious you are annoying people. With the right approach all those people that are annoyed can (and will) quickly become interested. I've seen it time and time again.
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squishy
Mountain climber
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Sep 18, 2015 - 08:50pm PT
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oh wow, look at this, a good one: http://airfactsjournal.com/2015/09/stop-drone-panic-pilots-take-advice/
All this hysteria has a cost. While we’ve been panicking about drones, dozens of pilots have died in low level stalls or VFR-into-IMC accidents. We’ve even had a real airplane midair, between a jet and a Cessna in San Diego. None of these make the nightly news or the front page of the New York Times, but all of them present a much more serious threat to general aviation safety.
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