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jonnyrig
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Jun 30, 2015 - 06:08pm PT
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 30, 2015 - 10:33am PT
jrig teaches high school science? Or are you talking about Klimmer?
Aww, feck.
Booky is a teacher, too. How is it that all of these whacknuts wind up influencing the minds of the future?
No, not high school science. In terms of our disagreements, you and me, that revolves mainly around gun control. Thanks for calling me a whacknut.
Marriage and Divorce from CDC
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/mardiv.htm
Data are for the U.S.
Number of marriages: 2,118,000
Marriage rate: 6.8 per 1,000 total population
Divorce rate: 3.6 per 1,000 population (44 reporting States and D.C.)
Fix your OWN religion first, then tell us how you think we should live.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics experience.
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Skeptimistic
Mountain climber
La Mancha
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Jun 30, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
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Still waiting....
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 30, 2015 - 06:53pm PT
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Klimmer teaches science.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jun 30, 2015 - 07:09pm PT
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dirtbag: You mean science fiction like the stuff about dinosaurs co-existing with humans?
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Tony
Trad climber
Pt. Richmond, CA
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Jun 30, 2015 - 07:21pm PT
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Cragman,
Maybe, but Klimmer teaching high school science? Now that's an abomination!
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dirtbag
climber
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Jun 30, 2015 - 07:26pm PT
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Stewart: His profession is teaching high school science. Who knows what gobblygook comes out, though.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 30, 2015 - 07:37pm PT
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Cragmans graphic is correct; we can be kind to each other. And one of the best ways to do that is to put yourself in someone's else's five tennies.
For the non religious think about what it must be like to have faith in a religion. You believe it with all your heart. You want to follow the word of God. They are really for the most part trying to act in accordance with what they think is good and right based on their religion.
For the religious think about how non believers do not believe what you do. So trying to convince them with arguments about what the bible says and what God wants is a nonstarter. They are basing their views on what they think is fair and good and see discrimination as evil and will react accordingly.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jun 30, 2015 - 07:51pm PT
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I believe if there's a god , he or she is forgiving and knows that we humans are mostly bumbling idiots and sissy's...If God truly wanted gays to stop kornholing or carpet munching he would smite us down one and all....
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Jun 30, 2015 - 07:55pm PT
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My bad, jrig. Beer's on me, if/when the chance presents itself.
(For the record, though, Gun-nutz = whacknut!)
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Jun 30, 2015 - 08:04pm PT
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Agreed the Fet.
Although I don't really think we need to put ourselves in their shoes. I think we're already in their shoes - we just need to tune into our commonalities and forgive ourselves for them.
Sometimes we just get confused by the kindness of eg "Obama is a little girl who soiled his panties" or "this site is full of clueless asshats, biggest shitshow on the Internet." But what are we gonna do? Human belief creation processes. We all have them.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Jun 30, 2015 - 08:09pm PT
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There are some Christians who legitimately fear that god will punish all of us here on earth (or perhaps for eternity) for the sins of a few. Thus they wish to protect us by making our civil laws according to the laws of their faith.. and punishing those who disobey.
All good intentions...
And why we have (are supposed to have) separation of church and state...
Sorry if your religious arguments do not sway me on matters of law. But that way lies a lot of horrible history.. past and presently being authored ..say in the middle east for example.
In the meantime if you think that somehow the supreme court just made this all up and wrote new law... consider the 14th amendment..
nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Any law violating this amendment must be stricken down... denying the protections afforded by marriage to any adult based on sex race or age is clearly unconstitutional, Especially if it is a state trying to do so.. Regardless if it is your religious law..
No one is stopping you from following your religion in this case.. we just stopped forcing others to do so.
If you think about it either the supreme court could allow marraige between any two adults or the only other thing they could have done is say that civil marriage law itself is unconstitutional.
If they wished to be true to the constitution
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Jun 30, 2015 - 08:40pm PT
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Climbski2 - oh sure when you put it like that it sounds like it makes sense, but when you do the math of pre-existing religious beliefs and values, and human belief creation processes, it comes out more like "the disturbing thing to me is that the Supreme Court has overreached its constitutional authority."
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Jun 30, 2015 - 09:07pm PT
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I'm all for kindness to one another, but what I'm not OK with is the belief that attitudes that can cause harm or worse to innocents is merely another opinion.
If you examine extremist beliefs like Nazism, you will discover that many of the perpetrators of the Holocaust sincerely believed that they were making the world a better place to live in, and that the industrialization of mass murder was the most humane way to spare future generations the trauma of dealing with "The Jewish Question".
I suspect that the leaders of ISIS also believe that they are justified in their actions.
I have acres of room in my heart for warm fuzzy thoughts and compromise, but not when good manners is considered an acceptable alternative to confronting injustice.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Jun 30, 2015 - 09:11pm PT
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Oh hey thanks!
How do you do it? It takes me years of obsessing to form a single coherent (at least to me :-) thought, but you just churn them out like its nothing ..
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jun 30, 2015 - 09:47pm PT
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WRT Gay marriage...law of the land.
The thread title says it al to me, and I am glad! Thanks for posting Bob D'a.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Jun 30, 2015 - 09:48pm PT
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Klimmer, why don't you get your own marriage in order before you try to control other people's marriages.
Oh that's right, you're divorced--your wife left you because she deemed you an unworthy husband. You have no legs to stand on when it comes to this topic.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jun 30, 2015 - 09:49pm PT
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"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."
actual quote from George W. Bush courtesy of Step Brothers.
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Radish
Trad climber
SeKi, California
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Jun 30, 2015 - 09:50pm PT
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Saw this on a bus in London a couple of years ago. Pretty much sums it up for me.............
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Jun 30, 2015 - 09:50pm PT
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And why we have (are supposed to have) separation of church and state...
10-4 good buddy! The State has to stay out of the church. The Church has to stay out the state. In a "Free Nation" no one has the right of dictating another adults behavior. Every American must hold on to this truth! We sure as heck don't want the Gov. telling us we have to get married. And rightfully no non-religious person wants to told what to do based on religious code. It's what's fare for freedom! These guy's getting up there saying, "if i'm elected president there will be no same sex marriage", ImO they are not American's! With that said, religion is a choice. If one enters a religion and dicovers better ways of living, he has freedom of speech to share his idea's to anyone that will listen. And an idea i'll share, Jesus never used the Gov. to impliment His morals. He surely could have gone into Rome and demanded His Law be inscribed on every wall, pillar, and forehead if he wanted to. He never talked to anyone that didn't want to listen. His law must be obtained through freedom of choice!
Thus AMERICA!
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landcruiserbob
Trad climber
PUAKO, BIG ISLAND Kohala Coast
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Jun 30, 2015 - 09:57pm PT
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Its good to see Bob D is still on the taco!
Aloha and be well
RG
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