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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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^^^^Hmmmmmm. How much weed do you think that will take? Maybe bong hits will speed up the process?
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab or In What Time Zone Am I?
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Might be interesting to see how many people on this thread have chosen to be straight.
For me I'm just hard wired that way.
I have many "hard core" women friends that we bike, hike, climb etc. together over the years. We hug, have shared tents and close quarter bivvies. We've been in a number of sketchy situations that would tend to bring people close together. Trying to give it some rational thought I have wondered if I could ever be gay or even bi. The thought never made me uncomfortable or repulsive or anything. It was that the "it" in an intimate relationship just wasn't there. I love many of these women to the end of the world but whatever that chemistry is between two people it was pretty clear to me that I'm straight and that's just the way it's going to be. It never felt like a choice. It's just me. Not even heteroflexible.
I just don't know how anyone makes a choice about it except to choose to be what they aren't and live a very uncomfortable existence. I've actually been envious of those that are bi...they get their cake and eat it too (no pun intended).
Susan
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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You mean pie and sausage.
Well, we're finding out if a woman can choose to be african american.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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I love being hetero- wouldn't choose anything else. Just born that way, I guess.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Might be interesting to see how many people on this thread have chosen to be straight.
What, like, you believe that you'll be able to see whether it was a choice? Oh, hey, that's an old angle for us humble humans who imagine ourselves e.g. as great sinful lions who ate a bus load of first graders, or some such greatness. :-)
When our collective intelligence learns to understand the reasons why we each believe what we do, will we have the humility to believe them?, or will we good people each still believe our own reasons, even if that means that we hit the ground? I'm betting on the latter, I mean, now that the Supreme Court has overstepped its constitutional authority. :-)
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Gary
Social climber
Hell is empty and all the devils are here
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Aug 31, 2015 - 08:36pm PT
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Haters lose again.
http://www.latimes.com/la-na-supreme-court-same-sex-marriage-kentucky-clerk-20150831-story.html
a Kentucky county clerk claimed for months that she had a religious liberty right to refuse to issue marriage certificates to same-sex couples. She took her argument all the way to the Supreme Court.
On Monday, the Supreme Court, acting quickly and without dissent, turned down her appeal.
The justices agreed with lower courts, which ruled that Kim Davis, as an elected government official, had a duty to comply with the law. Davis has refused to issue any marriage licenses since the high court ruled June 26 that same-sex couples have an equal right to marry.
A U.S. district judge in Kentucky gave Davis until Monday to comply with the law, and the high court refused to waive that deadline.
The court's action came in a one-line order, and it should make clear that government officials do not have a personal right based on their religious views to deny equal treatment to same-sex couples.
Davis was sued by same-sex couples who sought marriage licenses from her Rowan County office but were turned away.
Davis had maintained that she should be exempted from issuing the licenses because granting them would go against her Christian beliefs and violate her religious freedoms.
Davis' attorneys have said that if her religious objection cannot be accommodated, "then elected officials have no real religious freedom" when they hold public office.
A 9-0 drubbing!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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well, the new arguments sure sound like the old arguments:
"In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny.
And I say segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever,"
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Maybe it's time to get the government out of the marriage business.
It'd be one less thing for everyone to squabble about.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Can't really do that, Chaz.
Far too many gov't statuses conferred upon the married.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Give Chaz credit for thinking outside the box. Maybe the IRS could take
over the marriage biz seeing as how that is the main reason to do so.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Maybe it's time to get the government out of the marriage business.
Better idea would be to get churches out of the marriage business.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Maybe it's time for a clerk who doesn't believe in gay marriage to get a new job, or at least to recuse herself from performing a ministerial function (in the civil sense) about which she has personal disagreements. To me, as an Evangelical Christian with orthodox views of Christian marriage, this is a no-brainer. Nothing in the Bible with which I'm familiar (and I've read it from Genesis to Maps many times) allows her to do what she's doing and expect no adverse consequences forrom the government.
John
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Kim Davis has been married 4 times, two divorces came within a 2 year period. Gods work?
Wonder what happens when a Quaker decides not to sell a Baptist a gun. I guess it is all good because the Quaker ain't sellin to nobody.
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