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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Yea probably all factors too.
But I do think that there probably is something about this endeavor in particular that, when combined with our human belief processes, causes us to miscalculate more frequently than other endeavors. Free soloing, while appealing to the same male ego, doesn't result in the same death rate.
And I think that environment of BASE jumping GoPro Be A Hero does incite or incents more people to miscalculate than the similar high risk environment of free soloing.
So for me, I think those folks who have been incited or incented by their environment to participate in the sport are also victims of their environment, the same way that their loved ones, incited or incented to love them by their environment of being related to them, are victims of their environment as well, when faced with the grief of that persons loss.
When a base jumper dies, it doesn't cause me all that much grief, because I'm in an environment where I don't know them. But their loved ones do suffer a lot of grief, because they're in an environment of knowing and loving and missing the person. That difference in outcomes between me not suffering and them suffering is unrelated to our moral righteousness - I just got lucky, and they unlucky. They could use their free will to avoid the victimization of that pain by not loving their husband or dad or whoever - to change the way they feel about them to, for example, the way that Trump feels about immigrants ... but can they, really?
We climbers, while taking the morally righteous risk of climbing up to chop bolts in order to protect the dignity of our first ascents, we take risks too. If the dividing line between whether our risk taking is morally righteous or not is whether or not we fall ... so far I've been morally righteously lucky. But I think that the morally righteous part of it is more related to other aspects of our (evolutionary) environment.
jstan - nicely said :-)
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Dec 31, 2016 - 05:52pm PT
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Bad Climber, I just found the film you spoke of, Sunshine Superman, with Largo and the Trollryggen. It's a Netflix offering.
I can't help it, but Boenish reminds me of Forrest Gump. Good film. I've always been impressed by the Troll Wall and environs.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2016 - 09:17pm PT
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Yeah, Boenish was an odd fish.
A safe new year to all you BASE hounds, okay?
BAd
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, ... oh my, :(
my condolences to his family and loved ones...
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kunlun_shan
Mountain climber
SF, CA
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I'm very sorry to hear of his death. I only know of him from a couple years ago. Prying open and breaking the door on the Peak-to-Peak gondola at WB gave BASE jumpers some very bad publicity.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Heisenberg is a true coward
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Back in the '70s, Mountain magazine started a page following 'extreme skiing'. If I recall right the page only ran for three issues and the third was basically and editorially saying they were dropping coverage because several of them had died since the last issue.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
Valles Marineris
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That is a crazy video(Dickinson). I wish he wore a florescent wingsuit because I lost him in the trees.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Graham Dickinson has passed away in, yet another, tragic wingsuit accident.
While Dickinson survived that plunge, his latest daredevil stunt did not go as well. Dickinson died while "wingsuit" flying in China.
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Heisenberg
Trad climber
RV, middle of Nowehere
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Thanks for still thinking of me Brooke(flip dip). I'm honestly flattered, but unlike you I'm not into guys.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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That is a crazy video(Dickinson). I wish he wore a florescent wingsuit because I lost him in the trees.
Holy cr@p.... that was absolutely insane. Like that Star Wars episode on the Ewok planet where they're zipping through the forest, but even faster.... and real!
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2017 - 06:32am PT
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Yeah, Fear, my thoughts exactly. His end was quite predictable, and I guess it must have been to him, too. How could it not be? His base jumping friends knew it. They were all just waiting for the news. The guy had some amazing flights. Adieu, Mr. Dickinson.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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all the folks doing proxy flying are already dead. its not a matter of if but when. just like rideing a motorcycle at race speeds. you know you are going to wreck ocasionaly but chances are you walk away from most of the wrecks. you don't walk away from these wingsuit wrecks.
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Yep. Watching that video; not if, when. No margin. It's fun (I used to road race formula cars so know what the thrill is, greatly reduced) but still.....watching that I thought doomed. Too bad and sorry. Be a hero my ass. Shut up GoPro.
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2017 - 08:27pm PT
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Yeah, Winemaker, when I see that GoPro slogan, it kinda makes me sick. Be a hero. Splatter hard. Ugh.
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thebravecowboy
climber
The Good Places
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I mean, what's the worst that could happen?
And phukk yeah, that Dickinson line is otherwordly. knuck tatts: DONT CARE
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Winemaker
Sport climber
Yakima, WA
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Gunkie wrote in August:
Everytime I see this thread I go to the BLINC BASE fatality list. It's a bit of morbid curiosity. The number of listed killed BASE jumping just went through 300 (now 301). So right now #302 is out there alive and well.
Don't be #302.
Now it's Don't be # 314.
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