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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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In SoIll we always said, "the deader the better", but we were never trying quite so hard to put it into practice and I can assure you we enjoyed a good rush as much as the next guy.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Why is it only first world people who think it fun and noble to try to kill yerself?
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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As a race though we need people like this that are willing to hang it all out there. Not for squirrel suiting but for greater purposes that involve insane risks.
Think of the first guys to sit on top of that ICBM and get shot into space. The first guys to step on the moon. Test pilots.
The first SEAL through the door of a particularly nasty bad guy.
Candles that burn bright and more often than not, briefly.
And maybe someday we'll get back on track for more positive exploration. These personalities will be needed.
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WBraun
climber
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These personalities will be needed.
They are not even needed, nor can you create them.
They are always already there ......
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Reilly. its a first world thing because you need leisure time and desposible income to to be into adventure sports. Most of those folks who are to busy just trying to stay alive don't have the time or means to think up something as silly as ice climbing or base jumping......
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nathanael
climber
CA
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It's not just 1st world people. It's just 1st world people have the money to make movies about it. There's plenty of stupid dangerous stuff people do for thrills that costs nothing.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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I was actually thinking of the origins of bunji jumping when i posted that... More thought on the matter and certainly native americans raided each other to steal horses, women and scalps quite often not out of actual need but to satisfy the testosterone urges of young men who need to cheat death and show off for the girls....
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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As a race though we need people like this that are willing to hang it all out there. Not for squirrel suiting but for greater purposes that involve insane risks.
Think of the first guys to sit on top of that ICBM and get shot into space. The first guys to step on the moon. Test pilots.
The first SEAL through the door of a particularly nasty bad guy.
Candles that burn bright and more often than not, briefly.
And maybe someday we'll get back on track for more positive exploration. These personalities will be needed.
This. There's more "recent" Afghan/Iraqi war vets in BASE jumping than you can imagine. It does, it helps them cope with the thrill, the brotherhood and loss of war. It's saved way more lives than it's taken.
But yes, we all knew Graham was never gonna' make it. There's a 100 Grahams out there right now, clock ticking. And not just wingsuit BASE..
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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More thought on the matter and certainly native americans raided each other to steal horses, women and scalps quite often not out of actual need but to satisfy the testosterone urges of young men who need to cheat death and show off for the girls....
Scalping did happen as part of raids, but more among some of the larger and more brutal plains tribes than among indians in general. And colonists took to the practice like ducks to water as part of their broader campaign of genocide.
By 1723, Massachusetts was paying 100 pounds sterling for the scalps of male Indians aged 12 and over, and half that for women and children.
As far as the tower diving goes, my bet's on a particularly charismatic schizophrenic coming back into the village one day saying, "I've got a great idea...."
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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The native american practice of counting Coup when you rush into battle and simply touch the enemy with a stick instead of killing him with a war club to show your bravery, sneaking up on sleeping bears to cut some hair off their butt and show your bravery. Young men have probobly always done stupid sh#t to show off and get a thrill...
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Bad Climber
Trad climber
The Lawless Border Regions
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 7, 2017 - 06:20am PT
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Wow, thanks so much for that post, Healyje. Silly boyz gotta get their extreme on. The design of that tower was brilliant, the shifting lever to absorb shock. But the virtual face-plants--oy!
BAd
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Mike Honcho
Trad climber
Golden, CO
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Thank you, Mike Honcho for offering some fresh air in a room full of farts.
Yeah man! To be clear, this is Hank Caylor. You guys also gotta' remember BASE jumping and climbing have a very sketchy and close historical relationship.
Thomas Cosgriff
Randy Leavitt
Rob Slater
Xavier Bongard
Will Oxx
Etc.
These guys were all at the vanguard of BASE jumping when it 1st came to any type of popularity, and if there'd been wingsuits every single one of them would have been WAY into them!
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
ne'er–do–well
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Feb 26, 2017 - 07:09pm PT
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^^ You can't broad brush one person's criminal activity to the whole sport, but yeah - the sketch factor is interesting.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Feb 26, 2017 - 07:28pm PT
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In 2005, he escorted another man onto an adjacent property to videotape him having sex with a stallion. The man later died from internal injuries.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 27, 2017 - 03:35am PT
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that was quite the disturbing read.....
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Feb 27, 2017 - 05:35am PT
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Was the horse ok?
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canyoncat
Social climber
SoCal
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Feb 27, 2017 - 08:56am PT
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I had a friend who raised and trained Arabian horses. I was there one day during a breeding. It was the most brutal thing I had ever witnessed. Stallions don't play. Anyone who remotely thinks this would be a good idea as a participant must have an epic case of world class self hatred. I shudder at the thought.
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