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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jan 23, 2016 - 08:07am PT
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The typical Misleading part of the Graph is:
It includes all your Health Care Costs!!!
Add your health care insurance to all the taxes you pay and I bet you its More than Bernie's plan
It may be biased in more ways as well, why break out income tax then add payroll tax? I only pay payroll tax!
Below $18,000 you don't pay any tax.
Just more right wing propaganda, you have to be a skeptic 100% of the time when it comes to what Pyro, Cosmic and the rest of the right wing trolls post and believe, because its guaranteed to be wrong some way or another.
What is wrong with these people, they just can't stop themselves from lapping up the lies they are told.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jan 23, 2016 - 08:10am PT
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The crankloons are the right wing cranky loons that post lies and BS
and of course the cranky loon that calls everyone stoopid
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Jan 23, 2016 - 08:16am PT
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I think I wore her crankaloons on my head last night,
and FYI
stoopid is spelled s-t-u-e-p-e-d, stueped!
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jan 23, 2016 - 08:24am PT
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This proves stupid topo people can't use the internet.
Finding Pyro's source is so simple.
They're all too lazy to do any research.
They want everything spoon fed to them.
soo true! have a good day Wbraun..
Fritz is a LOON 9% increase??
RFLMAO
Obviously he's voting for BERNIE
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jan 23, 2016 - 08:46am PT
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Stupid Americans put a man on the moon...When will the duck nation land a duck on the moon..?
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 23, 2016 - 08:54am PT
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Stupid Americans never went to Chandraloka by their material mechanical means ......
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Bushman
Social climber
Elk Grove, California
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Jan 23, 2016 - 08:56am PT
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Luney Tunes?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jan 23, 2016 - 08:56am PT
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I'm a Democratic Socialist
I believe in a Strong Social Security program, Medicare, Medicaid, The VA, our Police, education system, our roads, our justice system, protection of our monetary system, clean air, clean water, well paid window washers, etc.
I don't want more privatization of these social programs, that's just makes them more expensive and prone to corruption.
And I don't want them weakened and defunded so they fail, and then people point fingers and say look, it's a failed system, what a sick scam that is.
I want free education, single payer, higher wages for policemen, teachers, public service folks, I want Strong Unions that protect workers
The Republicans work against these programs, they want to gut them or privatize them.
Private Companies are Not run as a free Democracy, they are not accountable to anyone and only care about profits.
If we had what Bernie proposes, poor Cosmic wouldn't have to work when his arm is in a sling, he would get time off with some pay until he heals and is ready to work again, but he would want to work, like every other decent human. And he would barely notice the slightly higher tax rate.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Jan 23, 2016 - 08:58am PT
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WBraun
climber
Jan 23, 2016 - 08:54am PT
Stupid Americans never went to Chandraloka by their material mechanical means ......
Nurse!!! There's been an escape from the Religitard thread! Lock down the ward!!
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Jan 23, 2016 - 09:14am PT
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The gross materialist who dies with the most toys attains Nirvana and is surrounded by a thousand virgin parakeets..
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Jan 23, 2016 - 09:18am PT
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I'm pretty sure that's what Jesus said
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 23, 2016 - 09:30am PT
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Stalin, Mao, Castro, Chavez, all claimed to be socialists. Look what happened to their countries and the price paid by their citizens.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Jan 23, 2016 - 10:00am PT
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I see Cosmic. More like the Democratic peoples republic of Korea.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jan 23, 2016 - 10:10am PT
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hey you forgot to add Jesus Christ to your list of socialists
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Jan 23, 2016 - 10:25am PT
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Capitalism by any other name is still Capitalism.
It is a wonder they do not call it Crime.
It will be a shame for the right, that the majority of this country will vote for a socialist.
JE You really think that Bernie is just going after "bad guys".
So ,you like others tied to financial ,believe that there was no criminal behavior tied to crippling the largest economy in the world.
Yeah right ,there are no "bad guys".
ISIS ISIS ISIS!
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Jan 23, 2016 - 10:50am PT
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Craig,
I support Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Police, public education, roads, justice system, a clean environment, and support for veterans (and finding a way to make them all stronger AND efficient).
Private companies are in fact accountable to market forces and consumers who look for their own best deal, but certainly many functions need to be public.
I am not against private schools in bad districts. (Where do the wealthy democrats in DC, including the president, send their kids?)
I do not support public employee unions (Who is the union "protecting" the workers from?).
The financial crises in nearly every states is a direct result of over-promised, under funded defined benefit pension programs.
Our immigration system is broken and laws on the books are purposely ignored. Should we just rescind immigration laws? What's your fix?
Accountability seems to be on the back burner to the public sector workers.
Another EPA scandal in Flint after the fiasco in Colorado.(A corporate officer would have been jailed)
Another IRS hard drive erased 3 days ago after a federal judge had ordered it preserved.(How many is that now? A corporate officer would be jailed)
Accountability is important to every responsible citizen.
Human corruption knows no political party, ideology, or any other demographic.
It is part of the human condition.
I don't think we are that far apart in what we would like in our society.
Partisanship is the great divider and both sides are guilty.
Cheers
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Norton
Social climber
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Jan 23, 2016 - 10:50am PT
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just a thought
you are "forced" to "help people" by the "government" by paying your taxes
gasp, how can this forced helping stuff be stopped?
move to Somalia....
or, show an income of less than about 22K and you don't pay any Fed income tax
easier to do when you are self employed and "cheat" on your taxes a tad of course
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John M
climber
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Jan 23, 2016 - 11:46am PT
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Human corruption knows no political party, ideology, or any other demographic.
this is what public employee unions are for.. no different then any other unions. The bosses have all the power unless the employees unite and work together. When humans become decent and honest, then we won't need unions. I can['t stand unions, but I also don't like dishonest unkind humans and so I see the need for unions.
Unions suck
So do power hungry, greedy, dishonest humans.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Jan 23, 2016 - 12:13pm PT
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Yesterday Pyro posted this chart from the Vox website with no link shown.
And he included this commentary:
Ohh shit!
Poor and Lower Middle Class getting an instant tax hike of 30+%...
WOW how can that happen!?!
So-----now that I have been shamed by both Pyro & Werner, I have found the article on Vox and I can offer a link to a long and somewhat complicated article on Bernie's Tax plans. http://www.vox.com/2016/1/22/10814798/bernie-sanders-tax-rates
I did disagree with Pyro asserting the poor & middle class would get an instant tax hike of 30%, but instead of arguing that he & Werner can't read bar charts, let me just quote the article.
If you add these taxes to the existing US tax code — including the income tax, Social Security payroll taxes, Medicare payroll taxes, and additional Medicare taxes added by Obamacare — you get the rates in the chart above. Most taxpayers would see a single-digit increase in their marginal tax rate. People with taxable income below $250,000 would see an 8.8 percentage point increase.
Bernie does want to tax the rich at higher rates & the ultra-rich at still higher-rates, but again the article mentions more of interest on that subject.
For the very richest Americans, with more than $10 million in taxable income, Sanders's proposal would produce a 77 percent marginal rate. That's not unprecedented — under Dwight Eisenhower, the top income tax rate was 91 percent — but it's higher than the top rate at any point since 1964.
Now, marginal rates aren't everything. Most people wouldn't see an actual tax increase of 8.8 percent, even if their marginal rate goes up that much. Effective tax rates — the amount you're actually paying as a percentage of income — also depend on deductions and credits.
Oh, and I'm not a Bernie supporter, since I don't think he's electable.
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