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philo
climber
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Oct 14, 2015 - 07:45pm PT
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Oct 14, 2015 - 08:35pm PT
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10b4me
Social climber
Retired
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Oct 14, 2015 - 09:22pm PT
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10b, what do you think is the biggest threat to our "democracy"?
A breakdown of the infrastructure as a result of overpopulation.
Waterwars(don't think it can't happen, think again)
An economy that is not self sustaining.
Don't get me wrong, corporations are evil, but corporate power has been on the rise for quite sometime. It's not something new.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Oct 14, 2015 - 09:29pm PT
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Sorry Mr. EEEEEEE
debate summarized
ps (its a joke son)
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Oct 15, 2015 - 06:32am PT
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 15, 2015 - 07:43am PT
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Great post sparky.
10b, those are certainly high-priority threats to our nation. Crumbling infrastructure, water, and so on.
But the question is about our democracy, which is supposedly run by those elected in a democratic process.
How we as a nation respond to the threats you listed depends on how our country runs. Do we have a chance to gain back a democracy, or will we still be an oligarchy?
Where do you think Bernie stands on The Drone Papers, versus, say, Hillary?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Oct 15, 2015 - 07:59am PT
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If I ever meet The Burn I'd tell him that government coercion to redistribute property would violate the natural right to possess property..
Work hard enjoy the $$$$
Edit: bernie shot himself in the foot with that email comment
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Oct 15, 2015 - 08:03am PT
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 15, 2015 - 08:09am PT
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10b, crumbling infrastructure? We've a bitchin new road up Rock Creek now!
Had no probs, other than the sqwawkin' from the right seat, doin' 80 on it.
Oh, and about the 'rise of corporations'. I'd bet handsomely that a high percentage of
Le Bernie's target demographic shops at Walmart which, FYI, just suffered it's biggest one
day stock drop in over two decades on reduced profit outlook due to
WAIT FOR IT....
INCREASED COMPETITION!!!!!!
Oh, the irony!
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 15, 2015 - 08:28am PT
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If I ever meet The Burn I'd tell him that government coercion to redistribute property would violate the natural right to possess property..
So I suppose the fact that corporations play shell games and stash their earning in offshore accounts to evade taxes is OK with you? What was the estimated figure, $2T+?
Hell, even Buffett said he should be paying more in taxes.
When the top 0.6% have more wealth than the bottom 50%, the "redistribution" of that wealth to shore up the foundation of our country (education, health, infrastructure) isn't such a bad thing.
Unless you buy what FOX is selling.
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Norton
Social climber
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Oct 15, 2015 - 08:35am PT
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Wow, you must be making well over 250,000 a year to think that you personally
could be targeted for an additional 1-2 percent tax for Bernie's programs.
you make that much?
do you feel the same outrage knowing that the majority of your federal taxes go to
enrich the already extremely rich defense contractor shareholders?
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Oct 15, 2015 - 08:47am PT
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K-man,
I don't know how Hillary feels about drone wars. Seems like a good policy to me.
"Redistribution of wealth" is the current term for giving money to people to lazy to work.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 15, 2015 - 09:24am PT
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"Redistribution of wealth" is the current term for giving money to people to lazy to work.
That is exactly what FOX wants you to think. They will also lump "illegal aliens" into the "too lazy to work" group.
Meanwhile, they will tell you that public schools don't work, and the only way to fix it is with vouchers. And the best road to prosperity is to enrich the billionaire class so they can trickle down the wealth.
Hmmm....
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John M
climber
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Oct 15, 2015 - 09:27am PT
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"Redistribution of wealth" is the current term for giving money to people to lazy to work.
whoa.. who have you been reading? sure there are people who don't want to work, but most people I know do, they just want a better chance. The erosion of the middle class is ongoing.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Oct 15, 2015 - 10:37am PT
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government coercion to redistribute property would violate the natural right to possess property
We're already so far down that river that there's no swimming back upstream.
Property tax alone means that it's impossible for you to really OWN your home. You LEASE it every year from the state and local government, and if you don't pay your LEASE, they simply TAKE it from you.
I'm not opposed to taxes, but the REASON why the founders thought in terms of sales taxes and tariffs is that YOU get to choose (via your purchases) your taxation, and you are taxed OUT OF what you really do OWN.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Oct 15, 2015 - 10:49am PT
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10b, clearly you are not aware of the whole concept of automation.
wrong. I am very familiar with the role of automation in industry.
sure there are people who don't want to work
just for shits and giggles, do you think millionaire athletes contribute anything to society?
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