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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Feb 19, 2016 - 10:06am PT
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Kasich ain't bad, Dingus. I could pass on Bloomberg though, a bit too much nanny-State in his wealthy head.
EDIT: I know all about Lenin and Leninism, trust me, Gary. Sanders is a Leninist. Sh#t, even look at their upbringings and the rhetoric used to rise to power.
Sanders' rhetoric and life-story tell it all.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Feb 19, 2016 - 10:16am PT
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Bwaaaaaahahahaha. I've met several Chinese plumbers, painters, construction dudes...ect!! And of course cooks. Who do you think work for all those well to do Chinese who want some conversation in their home dialect?
I married a Chinese woman (born in SD) by ancestry. We had a small Chinese wedding; about 350 people. Patty wore 2 different sets of wedding clothing; the typical european style white dress, and the 50lb embroidered black and red Chinese wedding dress. Just celebrated the new year and some family members just got back from the usual trip back to China. So I know the whole story is not as simple as you paint it. Our two cultures have some distince differences, however the current generation going to college in China is more like our generation in terms of prosperity, timing, and education. You know, where we were in the 60's and 70's culturally. They are on a faster track than we were, so we will soon see what happens to the next generation of Chinese.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 19, 2016 - 10:49am PT
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Who said anything about it being simple? If it was simple anybody could do it.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 19, 2016 - 10:58am PT
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it really is closer to a
zero sum game
I must respectfully disagree, Reilly. Bernie's backers believe in a zero-sum economic world. I saw one of my friends post a pro-Bernie picture on Facebook contending that poverty is caused by too much wealth. That reflects a view of the economy as a zero-sum game (plus a goodly dose of old fashioned covetousness) of the Berners.
In truth, the economy remains a positive-sum game, provided that prices are allowed to convey appropriate signals to buyers and sellers. Under Bernie, those signals get attenuated, resulting in poor resource allocation that makes the sum much smaller than it would be unfettered. In summary, our current capitalist economy, relying mostly on price signals, is a positive-sum game; Bernie's economy, relying mostly on government control of production and consumption, is a negative-sum game.
John
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 19, 2016 - 11:05am PT
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John, a hastily chosen metaphor, to be sure, although perhaps not in the
short term. In the long term it certainly disregards stochastic general
equilibrium data, much like Bernie's ideas do, but there I go being simplistic, again.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Feb 19, 2016 - 11:21am PT
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Any Fareed Zakaria fans here?
He's got something to say about Bernie's economic plans...
http://tinyurl.com/hz6k5sn
Enter Bernie Sanders, who makes the Republicans look like models of sobriety and scholarly exactitude. -FZ
"He is painting with a broader brush, being an authentic man who speaks his mind, willing to present bold ideas geared to capture the imagination. Never mind that establishment elites criticize them as unworkable or divisive or radical."
Am I speaking about Bernie Sanders — or Donald Trump?
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 19, 2016 - 11:34am PT
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Thanks HFCS.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Feb 19, 2016 - 11:34am PT
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Much of the chaos wrought upon the middle-class has to do with shipping jobs overseas, and bringing in workers from abroad to "supplement" workers here.
Ho man, what a simpleton statement.
The World is Flat paints a pretty good picture of the growing globalization of the work force. But, IMO, that is not what's killing our middle class.
Money is being soaked out of the system by those who wield power over the politicians. As we know, the wealthy just keep getting more wealthy, and they are hoarding their cash (instead of recirculating it back into the system). Corporations hold more cash than ever before--where's the promise of trickling it down?
I heard Rubio say that our US jobs are shifting from manufacturing towards more skilled positions. But what is the GOP's cure for smartening up our US work force. Do they support a renegotiation of student loans/debt? Or offering ways for the middle/lower class folks to attend college so we can be competitive?
LOL, what you hear is that they want to privatize our school system, and give vouchers (that will pay for about one quarter, one class).
They're slick talkers. But what they propose will not elevate our workforce.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Feb 19, 2016 - 11:45am PT
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Any Fareed Zakaria fans here?
Sanders’s supporters argue that all this criticism misses the point. Sanders is setting forth an “idealistic” vision on purpose — his goal is to shift the spectrum.
Indeed, the idea is to shift our perspective on what our government is, and to begin moving away from bought-and-sold politicians. I don't know a single person who believes Bernie's proposals would be enacted any time soon. However, there are a few key things that a Sanders presidency would do, and the needle would begin to move. You are not going to get that movement with a Clinton presidency.
Any Thomas Piketty fans?
http://www.ted.com/talks/thomas_piketty_new_thoughts_on_capital_in_the_twenty_first_century?language=en
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Feb 19, 2016 - 02:10pm PT
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It is at this point you should ask yourself: Why did those jobs get shipped overseas?
Was it due to the following: (choose the best answer)
a) Union collective bargaining creating a pool of overpaid workers for unskilled jobs that could be done more cheaply outside the US
b) A smothering bevy of regulations, compliance hurdles, payola and economic disincentives that were more easily circumvented outside the US
c) An offering of significant enticements by other countries, either via tax reductions, labor pool enhancements, or real estate discounts that made the move easier
d) all of the above
The correct answer should inform your vote for President.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Feb 19, 2016 - 03:12pm PT
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James Brennan: We were also taught about both wars in junior and senior high school, as I assume most people were, but it was a superficial coverage, and even an moral and intellectual sparrowfart like you goddamn well should be capable of admitting that.
In the event I am mistaken, I am sure that you can do us all a favour and give us a rundown on the crucial points covered by the "Why We Fight" films, and their relevance to Bernie's current candidacy.
It's a pity that such a shallow thinker as yourself feels that your pathological inability to accept responsibility for being a proven liar permits you to believe that you possess sufficient credibility to comment on today's weather, much less matters that are best discussed by adults.
There's psychiatrists out there who might be able to assist you with your multiple character flaws but, unfortunately, they still haven't figure out how to fix stupid.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Feb 19, 2016 - 03:49pm PT
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It is at this point you should ask yourself: Why did those jobs get shipped overseas?
All of the above? No.
How about None of the above.
You have a very narrow focus there Escopeta. Lots of union-free jobs got "shipped" overseas.
I had a friend in the tech industry who was flown to SE Asia to teach his job to folks who made pennies on the dollar compared to what he was making. So, it wasn't anything as lofty as "an offering of significant enticements by other countries, either via tax reductions, labor pool enhancements, or real estate discounts that made the move easier." Is was purely the cost of labor.
That's why TPP is so dangerous. Do you really want our work force competing equally with folks who make $0.70/day?
I was managing a woman in India who had the same job as one of my teammates here in the US. While her English was nowhere as "refined" as my US teammates, she still tried as best she could by working long hours, and commuting a ~3 hours each way to work. She had a couple of kids. I cried for her when I saw how much she made per hour, but it was still a pretty rich job compared to what others made in her country. And, it was a job.
Now ask yourself, why does Apple assemble iPhones where they do.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/photos/inside-apples-factories-china-15750239/image-15750661
(Hey, what's all that netting about?)
It's a tough choice. Are we protectionist about "our" jobs? Better is to educate our workforce so they can compete for the jobs that require skilled labor. And again, what are the GOP plans along this front? Zero, they don't care because their owners don't really care about where they get their labor.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Feb 19, 2016 - 04:08pm PT
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 19, 2016 - 04:19pm PT
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In the event I am mistaken, I am sure that you can do us all a favour and give us a rundown on the crucial points covered by the "Why We Fight" films, and their relevance to Bernie's current candidacy.
WTF are you talking about Stewart?
what does a war film have to do with BERNIES UTOPIA IDEAS Stewart?
Stewart Maybe you should go call your mother STEWART and tell her that you just watched PLATOON..
anybody who thinks WAR is KOOL is effing STUPID/CRAZY!
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Feb 19, 2016 - 04:21pm PT
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You have a very narrow focus there Escopeta.
No, I have a laser focus. On the fact that the more control you try to put on something the less control you have of it.
But by all means, we should double down on making the free market less free, and punish the successful companies in our country. I mean, its worked so great this long, why not continue right?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 19, 2016 - 04:25pm PT
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For ALL you Bernie Sanders supporters that insist on FREE Gov't run Health Care for all Americans, well, below is a photo of just ONE VA Regional Office's case load files of claims WAITING to be looked at and then processed. Most VARO's are taking anywhere from 1-3 YEARS to get to a Veterans claim to just begin the claim process.
The current VA system is so overwhelmed that the VARO's have run completely out of storage room for the files waiting to be processed and they are stacked anywhere that they can be.
This is the current reality of a Gov't RUN Health Care System. I can only imagine what a system would look like if the entire nation was under this current VA MEDICAL/BENEFITS System.
And trust me, enduring the real BURN of such a system is a nightmare I do not wish upon my worst enemy. It is beyond, PATHETIC!
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Feb 19, 2016 - 04:47pm PT
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No the US is special. Things that work in most of the other developed countries in world won't work here. Our corporate masters know better.
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 19, 2016 - 05:02pm PT
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So, you are saying that Americans are too stupid to run an efficient healthcare program that most developed countries managed to do years ago?
I think you are wrong. We can do it.
Moose
Moose is right, it's called Medicare, single payer government healthcare for tens
of millions of Americans since 1966, gets the highest patient ratings of satisfaction
over private for profit plans and delivers it all at 12% cost efficiency versus 40%
you damn right we Americans can do lots of things as good if not better than other counties
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SC seagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, Moab, A sailboat, or some time zone
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Feb 19, 2016 - 05:16pm PT
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^^^^. I was totally panicked about switching to Medicare from my private insurance (at $1500 a month) because I have (had) serious pre existing health issues.
It was the smoothest thing that ever happened. I was able to keep my own doctors and hospitals. I do pay for a supplement ($150 a month) and a drug plan. I've maintained private vision and dental. It's amazing to have no copays or argue about declined services. I have far more PT and OT sessions available.
I had to fight tooth and nail with my private insurance for some dermatology removal (freezing) of moles that we're getting irritated by my bra when I would work out and sweat. Under Medicare I've been like the "Ice Man". No problem getting those things frozen off.
I totally believe single payer is the way to go.
Susan
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