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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 12, 2016 - 09:19am PT
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Dirbag go call ur mommy
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 12, 2016 - 09:23am PT
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"If Bernie does not get the Democratic nomination due to corruption in the ranks, he can still run as a independent and win."
That's the best path Trump or Cruz has to the WH, right there...a divided Democratic vote.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 12, 2016 - 09:24am PT
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Bernie is not a communist, Guyman.
And Trump is no capitalist. His repsonse on the use of eminent domain for what are, essentially, private projects demonstrates that. In addition, he opposes the free movement of goods and people. Trump is a demagogue posing as a conservative.
As one perceptive letter writer to the Wall Street Journal pointed out a couple of days ago, Trump's argument that he's a winner and all other candidates are losers so we should vote for him, would disqualify Abraham Lincoln from consideration.
John
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 12, 2016 - 09:26am PT
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If sanders loses it will be because he lacks support, not some kind of corruption. But I guess conspiracy season is coming early this cycle.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 12, 2016 - 09:27am PT
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But I guess conspiracy season is coming early this cycle.
That's what you get from populists, left or right.
John
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 12, 2016 - 09:28am PT
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I'd never thought of it that way, John.
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Gary
Social climber
Where in the hell is Major Kong?
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Feb 12, 2016 - 09:32am PT
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Americans are too comfortable and
the ones that aren't don't vote.
This is true. Things had a to reach the desperate level to get even the minor reforms of the New Deal enacted.
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 12, 2016 - 09:50am PT
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Trump is a demagogue posing as a conservative.
John nails it
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 12, 2016 - 10:25am PT
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"Trump is a narcissist demagogue posing as a conservative."
Fixed that for ya.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Feb 12, 2016 - 02:12pm PT
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D..bag ...... Bernie is a communist. Please don't play word games.
and Trump is a capitalist.
The Democratic party and the Republican party, both run a rigged game, it's so clear to see if one opens the eyes... its all rigged to keep a certain select group(s) of people in power and to keep the $$$$$$ flowing to them.
what I really hope and pray for, is for this Bloomburg clown to jump in...yea the soda limit, no more than 12oz per drink.
We need that- oh yes we really do.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 12, 2016 - 02:34pm PT
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Guyman, you're showing your ignorance. If you don't understand the difference between socialism and communism then perhaps you should sit out of political discussions.
Think Scandinavia.
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Feb 12, 2016 - 02:35pm PT
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...or capitalism vs. demagoguery....
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Feb 12, 2016 - 02:42pm PT
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pyro: Still a sad little boy with the intellect and maturity of a chunk of styrofoam.
Carry on. We enjoy the laughs you so generously provide us.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Feb 12, 2016 - 03:31pm PT
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Dirtbag posted
Think Scandinavia.
the demographics and culture between Scandinavian countries and the US is very different.
Some famous economist, after hearing someone say that there is no poverty in Sweden, replied: there is no poverty in the US amongst the Swedish here either.
Culture has a lot to do with how well things turn out.
Think Greece
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 12, 2016 - 03:48pm PT
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Larry I was merely trying to point out the model that most closely matched what Sanders would like to emulate, not making a point about how Scandinavia is like the US. I'm not sure what your point is.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Feb 12, 2016 - 04:14pm PT
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"So if you're having Medicare for all, single-payer, you need to level with people about what they will have at the end of the process you are proposing," Clinton said. "And based on every analysis that I can find by people who are sympathetic to the goal, the numbers don't add up, and many people will actually be worse off than they are right now."
Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, a professor in public health at City University of New York at Hunter College and co-founder of the advocacy group Physicians for a National Health Program, said Friday that the "numbers on single-payer do, in fact, add up."
"It's indisputable that single-payer systems in other countries cover everyone for virtually everything, and at much lower cost than our health care system," Woolhandler said. "Experience in countries with single-payer systems, such as Canada, Scotland, and Taiwan, proves that we can have more, better and cheaper care."
For example, "if the U.S. moved to a single-payer system as efficient as Canada's, we'd save $430 billion on useless paperwork and insurance companies' outrageous profits, more than enough to cover the 31 million Americans who remain uninsured, and to eliminate co-payments and deductibles for everyone," she said.
In Fact, Argue Experts, Sanders' Medicare-for-All Numbers "Do Add Up"
But wait, nobody is telling us what those poor health insurance folks will do once they're out of work! But, at least they'll have health coverage.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Feb 12, 2016 - 04:33pm PT
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Dirtbag,
The Scandinavian countries are much smaller and much more culturally homogeneous.
I'm saying it's about demographics and culture.
Think Greece
I know what Bernie wants, I admire his passion and honesty, but it's quite a leap to say it would work here. It might not be Venezuela, but I doubt it would be like Sweden either.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 12, 2016 - 04:55pm PT
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Larry I never said whether it would work here. Guyman said,flat out, Bernie is commie which is flat out absurd and ill informed. I was using Scandinavia as an example of the kind of socialism Bernie espouses, which is a far cry from communism. That's it.
Sheesh!
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Feb 12, 2016 - 05:03pm PT
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Guyman, you're showing your ignorance. If you don't understand the difference between socialism and communism then perhaps you should sit out of political discussions.
Think Scandinavia.
OK.... Please educate me.....
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