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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Aug 26, 2015 - 03:10am PT
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Crankster they are not seperate issues. watch the damn video. it's intense and disturbing. I wateched it several times. She has creds. She lost a sibling to gun violence and has a child in the prison system. She has a right to be pissed.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 26, 2015 - 08:35am PT
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Peggy Hubbard rocks!
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 26, 2015 - 08:36am PT
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Separate issues.
Black people kill black people at a disturbing rate.
Police kill unarmd black people at an alarming rate.
Yes.
Anyway, when did conservatives ever honestly give a rat's hiney about black people killing black people?
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Aug 26, 2015 - 08:44am PT
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Personal prejudices aside, the data show an "alarming" rate Black on Black Murder in the Black community. That's exactly what I said. It is alarming.
The fact that police are shooting unarmed black people at an alarming rate has nothing to do with black on black crime. Unless you're arguing that police have a right to disregard their training and oath.
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EdwardT
Trad climber
Retired
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Aug 26, 2015 - 08:57am PT
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The fact that police are shooting unarmed black people at an alarming rate has nothing to do with black on black crime.
What's the rate?
How does it compare police shootings of unarmed white people?
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 26, 2015 - 09:46am PT
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GLillegard
climber
Aug 26, 2015 - 08:59am PT
Dirtbag wrote:
"Anyway, when did conservatives ever honestly give a rat's hiney about black people killing black people?'
Based on the responses here as a sampling, I'd say Democrats are equally guilty of turning the cheek to a huge problem facing Black Communities.
Well gee, Lois, maybe because, as crankster pointed out, this isn't the topic of the thread?
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Aug 26, 2015 - 09:55am PT
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Anyway, when did conservatives ever honestly give a rat's hiney about black people killing black people?
Next time I'm over at my brothers I'll ask the melanin enhanced inlaws.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 26, 2015 - 09:59am PT
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If you study The Gaurdian's data, I think you will find the numbers to be acceptably accurate for a Supertopo discussion
Now that makes more realistic sense. Oh and a big plus to the facts and actual unbias truth that prevails here on ST on threads such as this one.... Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Carry on.
PS. That post of yours made me spew my second cup of joe all over my new monitor... thanks tons!
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Aug 26, 2015 - 01:09pm PT
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This guy should get an honorable mention at least--he did die of a gunshot wound while fleeing the police--and but for the police action, he wouldn't have died by gunshot. Perhaps he had been harassed by the other two or something?
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couchmaster
climber
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Aug 26, 2015 - 03:40pm PT
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Glillard said: "Based on the responses here as a sampling, I'd say Democrats are equally guilty of turning the cheek to a huge problem facing Black Communities. It really doesn't sell Headlines or engender votes to criticize your target constituency. Much easier to sell Papers and generate emotion by demonizing the easy pickings of an Authority figure."
Both should be addressed.I don't see this as a R-Dem thing. Cops mistreating blacks (not just shooting them, but treating them poorly) and the high level of black violence. Neither is a good thing. Best thing any of us can do is to step up and volunteer to tutor young inner city kids who need help learning to read.
There's a reason such a high percentage of jailed criminals are ignorant dumbasses.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Aug 26, 2015 - 03:53pm PT
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Best thing any of us can do is to step up and volunteer to tutor young inner city kids who need help learning to read.
There ya go, now your talk'n. In addition to that, one can certainly motivate them to stand up to the incredible peer pressure that exists within their communities to affiliate themselves with the local gang population.
Take them under your wing up into them hills and teach how to climb, backpack, Fly Fish, etc etc etc. All these things give them a sense of incredible self worth and identity with something else to seriously look forward to other then their dismal situ at home.
Give em your phone number and let then know you are available for them 24/7 whenever they call to come extract their butts outta the combat zone asap and take to a predesignated safe place.
It works....
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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re: police culture needs to change
Hey I was just reminded of a great illustration of the stereotype in police culture that (a) needs to change and (b) started a lot of the current mess in the first place.
It's the opening scenes of Rambo: First Blood between Rambo and Sheriff Will.
And a very timely addition by Netflix right now as well.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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police culture needs to change
But of course the criminals can continue arming themselves with totally illegal high power black market non US manu'd acquired automatic, high caliber weaponry and continue to escalate their vile and evil behavior nation wide.
Got it.
PS: DO any of you people even have a clue why the statistics clearly show that violent weapons crime is going down? Seriously???
Oh, I know. The POTUS has asked all them dudes to chill the fk out. AND.. they did.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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problems back in the early 80's conservative revolution ... So the people with mental health issues found themselves self medicating and sleeping in your business's doorway.
You forgot about the four years prior to that where absolutely NOTHING was done to assist the over 1.8 million recently discharged Vietnam Vets with their PTSD, other assorted emotional, physical and addiction wounds. ie the VA.
I just got word that I lost a close Vietnam Vet friend and member of our local VET TO VET group who split his time between here in Bishop and down south. He passed yesterday on the way to the local hospital down south after suffering a massive heart attack. He was on the waiting list for the past 146 days to see a cardiologist at the LB VA regarding an issue his PA at that same VAH found during a physical/ekg the first week of last March and could not schedule an appt for him till the end of April. That one was postponed due to the only two cardiologist on site, leaving.
And Obama says the VA System has gotten better since last years massive killing debacle in Phoenix and other VAH's.
Not a word about the hundreds, thousands how many truly we will never know, PEOPLE KILLED BY THE VA these past three years. Not one!
I have been and am still waiting for official authorization by the VA to approve my local PTSD therapy which I have been going to religiously for over five years since first being diagnosed with Acute Combat Related PTSD and have been paying my 30% copay for. This of course is a Service Connected Disibilty which the VA is suppose to pay for 100%. They have not. My DOD Tricare has covered me. If I did not have that, I would most certainly be one of the statistics you speak of Jim Brennan.
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The Chief
climber
Lurkerville east of Goldenville
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Because America and Canada would rather pay first with tax money to support sports entertainment than to put a dry roof over homeless people.
It's a fact that if you allow someone to have security and dignity through a roof over their head, they quickly become personally proactive instead of reactive.
Agree 100%. The POTUS has the ability to change all that with a strike of his pen.
Anyone here seen any strikes of that pen by the current POTUS regarding the issue that Jim Brennan speaks of and LOcker gave ref to, the past seven years or so that he has been in office?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Goldenville west of Lurkerville
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The Chief...Not dissing you or our military personale but you guys don't get paid shet for the hazardous lifestyle...If you were compensated fairly , i'm guessing the US wouldn't be able to afford its' world police role...? I think the whole honor our vets PR campaign is a joke if one looks at how our vets have been abandoned...I visited the LB vets hospital in 73 right after Nam and it was a horrendous sight....
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GuapoVino
climber
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Has anyone noticed lately the number of cops posting these long manifestos on FB talking about how hard their job has become in the last year or two and how they feel like everyone is against them? Then of course they get shared over and over. Either they're really feeling the pressure or it's a big grass roots PR campaign.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Usually I don't think or care too much about these kind of things, but last night I had strange dream that I was using my I-Phone to film a business that was burning down, and the police shot and killed me to prevent me from sharing the video online. Strange....
Trusting a UK paper (The Guardian) that is notorious for being completely bias towards any gun ownership in their home country to publicize the truth about issues here in the US makes obvious sense.
If of course one is doing their best to skew the truth here in the US.
The other day I saw a posting on a conservative/Republican Facebook page that described the differences between an unarmed UK and the heavily armed USA.
The article claimed that, despite having a gun ban, the gun crime rate in the UK was 2,000 times higher than in the USA, and deaths from guns was only 2 deaths per 100K here in the USA, etc.
The entire purpose of the conservative/Republican article was to prove that guns are wonderful and that having more guns actually reduces murder rates.
In actuality, the death rate from guns is:
10 per 100K in the USA
0.26 per 100K in the UK (fifty times less than the USA)
So exactly WHO is spewing trash, lies and propaganda?
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