People killed by police in the USA

Many of them think their job is judge and executioner.

"The responsibility for your personal safety is yours alone."

You mean it's not the responsibility of the people who are sworn to "serve and protect?"

"Nearly every examiner in an elite FBI forensic unit gave flawed testimony in almost all trials in which they offered evidence against criminal defendants over more than a two-decade period before 2000,"

"What did the other 8,000,000 people do to get arrested?"

recent media focus.

If you have a problem with cops, you are likely to bring that problem with you when dealing with them.
The responsibility for your personal safety is yours alone.

Our growing anti-cop movement is causing cops to be reluctant to do their jobs. CYA trumps pursuing suspicious activity, which translates into more crime.

Be careful what you ask for.

Ouzounian, who had several self-inflicted stab wounds, confronted deputies responding to a call that reported he was preparing to kill himself, according to officials. One shot him dead

Read the reports.

You Forgot Hawaii... lowest gun violence in the nation strongest gun regulations.. massively liberal, Or New Hampshire or Vermont

I seriously wish you chumps would get what you are clamoring for, a complete abolition of cops.

Stupid Americans vote for criminals to lead them and then wonder why they get shot ......

Stupid Americans vote for criminals to lead them and then wonder why they get shot ......

The problem for the most part is the CULTURE, officers believe they are untouchable because admittedly they have a tough job. But then they fall into the trap of believing their own propaganda, fostering excessive recourse to violent and lethal methods. Certain departments are better than others at curtailing the excesses, but many go overboard defending their officers. We always have to deal with the political issue when we try to settle; after all, how many city council officials are willing to pay money for police misconduct and risk being tagged as not backing up their officers.

You guys are framing the issue as if ALL "killings" at the hands of cops are bad. Just because a cop killed someone, the cop must be doing something wrong.

Criminals who are members of La Raza are a very bad type of criminal indeed. The type that destroys nations if there are too many.

On the contrary, Mr. Donini is making baseless comments and being rude to the hard working cops out there. No apology.

Defenders of police militarization, such as that on display in Ferguson, Missouri, often claim that it’s necessary to provide military gear to cops, given how dangerous law enforcement has become.

But has policing really become so dangerous that we need to arm peace officers like an invading army? The answer is no. It's never been safer to be a cop.

To start with, few police officers die in the line of duty. Since 1900, only 18,781 police officers have died from any work-related injury. That's an average of 164 a year. In absolute terms, officer fatalities peaked in 1930 (during alcohol prohibition) at 297, spiking again in the 1970s before steadily declining since.

If you look at police fatalities adjusted for the US population, the decline is even starker. 2013 was the safest year for American policing since 1875.

In 2013, out of approximately 900,000 sworn officers, just 100 died from a job-related injury. That's about 11.1 per 100,000, or a rate of 0.01%.

Policing doesn't even make it into the top 10 most dangerous American professions.

**Logging has a fatality rate 11 times higher, at 127.8 per 100,000. Fishing: 117 per 100,000. Pilot/flight engineer: 53.4 per 100,000. It's twice as dangerous to be a truck driver as a cop—at 22.1 per 100,000.
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Another point to bear in mind is that not all officer fatalities are homicides. Out of the 100 deaths in 2013, 31 were shot, 11 were struck by a vehicle, 2 were stabbed, and 1 died in a "bomb-related incident." Other causes of death were: aircraft accident (1), automobile accident (28), motorcycle accident (4), falling (6), drowning (2), electrocution (1), and job-related illness (13).

Even assuming that half these deaths were homicides, policing would have a murder rate of 5.55 per 100,000, comparable to the average murder rate of U.S. cities: 5.6 per 100,000. It's more dangerous to live in Baltimore (35.01 murders per 100,000 residents) than to be a cop in 2014.

"The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed -- where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once."

The problem is that police officers are given such latitude in using deadly force that the simple perception of a threat, reasonable or not, is considered justification for killing someone.

18-1-704.5. Use of deadly physical force against an intruder

(1) The general assembly hereby recognizes that the citizens of Colorado have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes.

(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 18-1-704, any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant.

(3) Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from criminal prosecution for the use of such force.

(4) Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from any civil liability for injuries or death resulting from the use of such force.

Meanwhile the Nation of Iceland is in mourning because a cop just killed someone for the first time in their history.

The problem is that police officers are given such latitude in using deadly force that the simple perception of a threat, reasonable or not, is considered justification for killing someone.

Not sure if you mean that as a statement of law or the way things work in practice, but as a statement of law, I don't believe that's correct, either regarding police or anyone else, anywhere in the US.

776.012 Use or threatened use of force in defense of person.—
(1) A person is justified in using or threatening to use force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person who uses or threatens to use force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat before using or threatening to use such force.
(2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.

776.012 Use or threatened use of force in defense of person.—
(1) A person is justified in using or threatening to use force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. A person who uses or threatens to use force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat before using or threatening to use such force.
(2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony. A person who uses or threatens to use deadly force in accordance with this subsection does not have a duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground if the person using or threatening to use the deadly force is not engaged in a criminal activity and is in a place where he or she has a right to be.

Taken in the context of a population of 300 + million, the incidence of Police murdering people does not rise to a logical level that an average person needs to live in fear of the Police.

In a sense they too are like you and me; many of them grew up in this society that at once ahbors and then cherishes violence. We were shown by people such as Clint Eastwood, that a MAN settles his problems with force and violence. And his tool of choice (hehe) is his gun.

It's the way things work in practice. Laws only work when they are enforced consistently.

This leads to my major criticism with this exercise. It tries to divorce the shootings from the context of the shootings. I'm used to seeing claims of excessive force that arose when the suspect resisted arrest. I don't recalling seeing many - if any - in California in the last few decades where the suspect obeyed all police orders.

Is failure to follow police instructions a capital offense exempt from due process?

Oh pud you don't have a leg to stand on re Clint Eastwood. Don't be silly. That man has preached violence in celluloid for 50 years. He is one of the standard setters. Dang, you made me laugh out loud. Got any other ridiculous comparisons? Any which way but Eastwood, lol.

In particular, I think the likelihood of police violence (justified or otherwise) increases if one disobeys an officer, and I think the likelihood that an officer has reason to fear the suspect also increases if the suspect disobeys.

And often, the perp is a mentally ill person, or a person under the influence to the extend that they are incapable of consent.

I agree with Dave (and, I'm sure, you), that an officer shooting an unarmed person is normally unjustified,

It is an interesting thought experiment to see if your opinion would change if you were put into a room with someone like the late Michael Brown who was intent on doing you harm.
I don't think a typical person would survive very long against a violent, 400 pound drug-fueled maniac.

Jun 3, 2015 - 06:45am PT
Meanwhile the Nation of Iceland is in mourning because a cop just killed someone for the first time in their history.

I realize you have stated in the past that you fear the Police

the DA claims he doesn't have enough to prosecute

This police behavior would never go over in a white neighborhood.

If I'm unarmed, encounter a police officer, and obey the officer's commands, how likely am I to be subject to violence from the officer(s), and how does that likelihood change based on my race or ethnicity, my gender, my age, the clothing I'm wearing, and the neighborhood in which the encounter takes place? How do those likelihoods change if I fail to obey the officer's command(s)?

... killed by police in the USA

"Dillon Taylor had been wanted on a $25,000 bench warrant “for a probation violation in connection with felony robbery and obstructing justice convictions,” according to the Tribune."

It is an interesting thought experiment to see if your opinion would change if you were put into a room with someone like the late Michael Brown who was intent on doing you harm.
I don't think a typical person would survive very long against a violent, 400 pound drug-fueled maniac.

A drug-fueled maniac meaning some college bound kid high on pot? Oh now I get it you mean a black guy. Another interesting thought experiment is to think of that person as your child, but that's probably easier for us to do when our child is black.

The video camera is revealing something we didn't want to believe, but now we can't deny.

Among the first 500 deaths, 49.6% of people were white, 28.2% were black and 14.8% were Hispanic/Latino. According to the 2013 census, the US population is 62.6% white, 13.2% black and 17.1% Hispanic/Latino.
Hampton on Wednesday allegedly confronted officers who had arrived at a Bronx apartment building in response to a 911 call reporting a man with a gun, according to authorities. The NYPD said Hampton, who was identified by several New York media outlets, had shot and pistol-whipped the mother of his two-year-old child during a domestic dispute.
“The female was able to pull away from the male,” James O’Neill, the NYPD’s chief of department, said in a statement. “The male was still pointing the gun at the officers, and a sergeant and one officer fired multiple rounds at the male.”

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More than one in every five people killed so far in 2015 – 108, or 21.6% – were unarmed. A significant disparity in the proportion of black and white people killed who were unarmed, which was reported last week by the Guardian, has since narrowed slightly. While 30.5% of white people killed were unarmed, 16.1% of black people killed had no weapon

The shooting happened Thursday morning at 350 NW 13th Street, near Gibson Park in Overtown. Witnesses told Zea there were summer campers at the park who were on the field when the shooting happened.
One mother, went to the scene when she heard what happened, said her grandson and son are both inside the summer camp. She hadn’t been able to speak to them and doesn’t know whether or not they say anything.
The man shot by the officer, witnesses said, did not launch at the officers but would not drop the stick when he was asked.

Stephanie Severance said the shooting happened in front of 50 kids and that many started “hollering, screaming and running.”

That is one pistol packing mama!

Jun 11, 2015 - 12:00pm PT
That cop that drew his gun at the pool party at least got fired.

Jun 11, 2015 - 12:00pm PT

Videotaping cops is a good thing, and is protected by law. You become a de facto journalist as long as you maintain sufficient distance, so don't be bullied into shutting it off.

Thus, as mentioned above, if your recordings survive the encounter, they are protected and admissible.

John

I’ve never been a cop, but I have been a soldier. After over a decade of experience I can tell you that sometimes people get scared & confused when there is yelling, flashing lights, sirens, weapons, and related stimulus. Almost similar to a deer being caught in the headlights and acting strange. Your job as the good guy with the gun is to decide whether or not the guy is just scared or an actual threat, and believe it or not it is pretty easy to tell the difference. What I saw in that video is clearly a scared man attempting to figure out what’s going on, and acting like people sometimes do when the mental stress of the situation is overwhelming. The police in that situation had an extreme lack of courage, a certain amount of which is required of “the good guys”. Sad story all around.

Because like most people he probably thought that cops are not trigger happy jittery chickenshit cowards.

And he was likely drunk, which the cop certainly knew.

But he could have been a quick-draw gunslinger with superhuman powers!

That cop's life was never in danger, even by the most generous of standards.

Because like most people he probably thought that cops are not trigger happy jittery chickenshit cowards.

Because like most people he probably thought that cops are not trigger happy jittery chickenshit cowards.

CHARLOTTE – The fatal exchange between Eaton County Sgt. Jonathan Frost and 17-year-old Deven Guilford on Feb. 28 lasted five minutes and 39 seconds. It started with Guilford being pulled over for flashing his bright lights at Frost, and ended with Guilford dead, laying in a snow bank on M-43.

The traffic stop took place in the dark on a rural stretch of the road in Roxand Township, illuminated only by headlights and Frost's flashlight. By the end Guilford had been shot seven times, once in the head and six times in the upper body at close range.

"LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A California defense attorney and three state highway patrol officers were arrested on Friday in connection with the 2012 killing of a man thought to be stealing scrap metal and other items from private property, police said.

A total of nine people were arrested near the city of Modesto, about 92 miles (68 km) east of San Francisco, on a string of charges related to the murder of 26-year-old Korey Kauffman, according to the Stanislaus County sheriff's office.

Criminal defense attorney Frank Carson, who last year made an unsuccessful run for Stanislaus County district attorney, was named as ringleader of the plot and charged with first degree murder, conspiracy and the special circumstance of lying in wait, which could qualify for the death penalty under California law."...

Separate issues.

Black people kill black people at a disturbing rate.
Police kill unarmd black people at an alarming rate.

Personal prejudices aside, the data show an "alarming" rate Black on Black Murder in the Black community.

The fact that police are shooting unarmed black people at an alarming rate has nothing to do with black on black crime.

GLillegard

climber

Aug 26, 2015 - 08:59am PT
Dirtbag wrote:

"Anyway, when did conservatives ever honestly give a rat's hiney about black people killing black people?'

Based on the responses here as a sampling, I'd say Democrats are equally guilty of turning the cheek to a huge problem facing Black Communities.

Anyway, when did conservatives ever honestly give a rat's hiney about black people killing black people?

If you study The Gaurdian's data, I think you will find the numbers to be acceptably accurate for a Supertopo discussion

"Based on the responses here as a sampling, I'd say Democrats are equally guilty of turning the cheek to a huge problem facing Black Communities. It really doesn't sell Headlines or engender votes to criticize your target constituency. Much easier to sell Papers and generate emotion by demonizing the easy pickings of an Authority figure."

Best thing any of us can do is to step up and volunteer to tutor young inner city kids who need help learning to read.

police culture needs to change

problems back in the early 80's conservative revolution ... So the people with mental health issues found themselves self medicating and sleeping in your business's doorway.

Because America and Canada would rather pay first with tax money to support sports entertainment than to put a dry roof over homeless people.

It's a fact that if you allow someone to have security and dignity through a roof over their head, they quickly become personally proactive instead of reactive.

Trusting a UK paper (The Guardian) that is notorious for being completely bias towards any gun ownership in their home country to publicize the truth about issues here in the US makes obvious sense.

If of course one is doing their best to skew the truth here in the US.

Let's put this discussion into perspective with accurate data from a US media outlet with more in depth reality.