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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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May 13, 2015 - 02:13pm PT
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Of the contenders listed by the op, I'll reluctantly go with Tesla. My reservation is that his discoveries certainly would have been made by someone else had he not been born. Some discoveries are inevitable.
At the opposite end of the spectrum is the music of Bach. Such perfection that in many cases not even a single note can be changed without lessening the whole. Had Bach not been born this music would simply not be.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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May 13, 2015 - 02:17pm PT
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Tesla.
No question his discoveries with electricity and some of his applications were highly influential.(Especially his work with Alternating Current--which speaks for itself)
But other than that Tesla ranks as one of the more overrated figures in the history of science.
This is largely due to this mysterious and even mystical pop culture aura built around his image in recent decades
Tesla was nevertheless a brilliant and very hard working genius.
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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May 13, 2015 - 02:32pm PT
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Kris, OT maybe, but Bach's fugues are some of mankind's greatest accomplishments.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
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At a time when the masses were questioning religion and turning to science and existentialism Jack the Ripper sent a message of despair and impotence that carried over into the most rapacious century of mankind's history .
A media star of his day, Jack the Ripper greatly boosted the nascent anarchist movement which in turn created Gavrilo Princip.
Tesla has it hands down over Einstein and Edison combined.
But if it wasn't for TR we might be speaking german.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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May 13, 2015 - 03:26pm PT
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No one has mentioned Warren Harding???
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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May 13, 2015 - 03:30pm PT
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No one has mentioned Warren Harding???
His FA of Teapot Dome WAS amazing and set the standard for generations to come.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2015 - 03:40pm PT
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Further on Pricip; his assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand (and wife) was the keystone that caused the subsequent avalanche of events. However it was preceded by numerous other attempts, some likewise successful, by anarchists to kill members of various monarchies in the previous decades.
I think that Jack the Ripper opened the door for the anarchist movement.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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May 13, 2015 - 03:42pm PT
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Sorry, I meant Warren G. Harding.
Harding pushed for the establishment of the Bureau of Veterans Affairs
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2015 - 03:44pm PT
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I heard that Teapot Dome is only 5.7 and overprotected.
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scuffy b
climber
heading slowly NNW
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May 13, 2015 - 03:54pm PT
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If not for Princip, they would have found some other spark.
They were itching for a fight.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2015 - 04:11pm PT
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My point exactly scuffy.
Nicky said, "My cousin Willy loves me. He would never declare war."
Barely a month later Max Hoffman leads 135,000 german professional troops into Prussia using trains to transport troops and, for one of the first times in history, aerial recon to locate the enemy.
He obliterates the two advancing armies of 650,000 Russian troops, mostly shoeless peasants, because he knows their commanders won't lift a finger to help each other.
You see, almost ten years earlier as a military observer at the close of the Russo-Sino War, Hoffman was standing on a railway platform* in Manchuria, and witnessed the two Russian commanders get into a knock down brawl after one slapped the other with a glove.
Only frantic telegraph messages that night from the Czar prevented the duel.
Better for him if he hadn't.
The Russians lost a quarter million dead at Tannenberg, the deadliest single battle in history.
*also on that platform, "Black" Jack Pershing
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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May 13, 2015 - 04:59pm PT
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Nicola Tesla hands down ......
Correct answer.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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May 13, 2015 - 06:26pm PT
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Simple
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 13, 2015 - 06:32pm PT
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Those unconscionable losses to the Russians largely made the momentous day at the
Finland Station possible.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 13, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
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Uncle Joe Stalin, no doubt about it.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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May 13, 2015 - 06:42pm PT
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Obviously (op), The Twentieth Century Man, not the Twentieth Century Fox.
However, who is the TCM? Wasn't in the original list, but Vladimir Lenin.
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lars johansen
Trad climber
West Marin, CA
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May 13, 2015 - 07:35pm PT
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Rick got it right: Stalin, then Hitler, lastly Roosevelt.
lars
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 13, 2015 - 07:38pm PT
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Stalin? Pfffft! He woulda been a side note but for Zhukov.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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May 13, 2015 - 07:48pm PT
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All the other people mentioned used and benifited from many of Tesla's inventions.
By far Tesla was the greatest influence on the 20th century.
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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May 13, 2015 - 08:49pm PT
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I think that Jack the Ripper opened the door for the anarchist movement.
Could you expound on that a bit. I don't get it. Johann Most was talking "propaganda of the deed" in 1885, Ripper was 1888. Alexander II was assassinated in 1881.
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