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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Original Post - May 13, 2015 - 10:10am PT
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Jack the Ripper or Nicola Tesla or Teddy Roosevelt?
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hamie
Social climber
Thekoots
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May 13, 2015 - 10:15am PT
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Ralph Nader
Rachel Carson
Jim Bridwell!1!1!1
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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May 13, 2015 - 10:16am PT
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none of the above,
lou reed
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 13, 2015 - 10:17am PT
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I hate trick questions. I hope this isn't pass/fail.
If Tesla had read Dale Carnegie we wouldn't be posed this dilemma.
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WBraun
climber
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May 13, 2015 - 10:18am PT
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Nicola Tesla hands down ......
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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May 13, 2015 - 10:26am PT
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oohhh we can now zoom around
according to ion-exchange
and continue to perpetuate
our ill-existence without
consuming hydro-carbons!
the great savior!
tesla.
immaterial.
electric-powered vehicles
is not a socio-gain.
no.
it is a mere hiccup
paired next to
the world's heartburn that is intelligence.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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May 13, 2015 - 10:29am PT
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Agree with Werner. Tesla's legacy remains. I doubt TR would recognize the America of today, or the spirit or philosphy of the contemporary, self-styled "Progressives." Jack the Ripper . . .uh, no.
John
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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May 13, 2015 - 12:47pm PT
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Jimi & Frank
&
J. J. Étienne Lenoir
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son of stan
Boulder climber
San Jose CA
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May 13, 2015 - 12:54pm PT
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Top honors go to Mr Transistor.
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throwpie
Trad climber
Berkeley
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May 13, 2015 - 12:56pm PT
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Albert Hoffman
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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May 13, 2015 - 01:08pm PT
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Wright Bros.
In 1900, the fastest humans moved at about 85mph. On trains. American trains still do about 85.
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Adventurer
Mountain climber
Virginia
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May 13, 2015 - 01:18pm PT
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Steve Jobs and Bill Gates
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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May 13, 2015 - 01:22pm PT
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Of the 3 choices given I would pick Roosevelt.
However the correct answer is Einstein ,Darwin, and,unfortunately,Karl Marx.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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May 13, 2015 - 01:31pm PT
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Most of his scientific work had little influence on events of the twentieth century.
Okay,strike Einstein and change that to Neil Young or Frank Zappa...Miley Cyrus?
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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May 13, 2015 - 01:33pm PT
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Gavrilo Princip. The stone he cast into the pond rippled across the world for the entire century and into this one.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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May 13, 2015 - 01:35pm PT
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Your mom
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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May 13, 2015 - 01:41pm PT
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Very perceptive comment, Gary. The more I learn about The Great War, the more I still see its influence on the rest of the last century - and continuing to this one.
John
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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May 13, 2015 - 02:07pm PT
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Out of curiosity I looked up "...person of the century" and found that Time Mag in 1999 got it right for a change by picking Einstein:
Of the 100 chosen, Albert Einstein was chosen as the Person of the Century, on the grounds that he was the preeminent scientist in a century dominated by science. The editors of Time believed the 20th century "will be remembered foremost for its science and technology", and Einstein "serves as a symbol of all the scientists—such as Heisenberg, Bohr, Richard Feynman, ...who built upon his work".[1]
A poll of academic historians in Britain picked Karl Marx.
I believe Princip was high on the list
The reason I believe Darwin doesn't rank high is because his influence is thought to be confined more to the 19th century --- which I disagree with.
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WBraun
climber
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May 13, 2015 - 02:10pm PT
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Einstein couldn't hold a candle against Tesla.
Tesla was far far beyond anything Einstein could dream of.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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May 13, 2015 - 02:13pm PT
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Of the contenders listed by the op, I'll reluctantly go with Tesla. My reservation is that his discoveries certainly would have been made by someone else had he not been born. Some discoveries are inevitable.
At the opposite end of the spectrum is the music of Bach. Such perfection that in many cases not even a single note can be changed without lessening the whole. Had Bach not been born this music would simply not be.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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May 13, 2015 - 02:17pm PT
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Tesla.
No question his discoveries with electricity and some of his applications were highly influential.(Especially his work with Alternating Current--which speaks for itself)
But other than that Tesla ranks as one of the more overrated figures in the history of science.
This is largely due to this mysterious and even mystical pop culture aura built around his image in recent decades
Tesla was nevertheless a brilliant and very hard working genius.
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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May 13, 2015 - 02:32pm PT
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Kris, OT maybe, but Bach's fugues are some of mankind's greatest accomplishments.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2015 - 03:16pm PT
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At a time when the masses were questioning religion and turning to science and existentialism Jack the Ripper sent a message of despair and impotence that carried over into the most rapacious century of mankind's history .
A media star of his day, Jack the Ripper greatly boosted the nascent anarchist movement which in turn created Gavrilo Princip.
Tesla has it hands down over Einstein and Edison combined.
But if it wasn't for TR we might be speaking german.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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May 13, 2015 - 03:26pm PT
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No one has mentioned Warren Harding???
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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May 13, 2015 - 03:30pm PT
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No one has mentioned Warren Harding???
His FA of Teapot Dome WAS amazing and set the standard for generations to come.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2015 - 03:40pm PT
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Further on Pricip; his assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand (and wife) was the keystone that caused the subsequent avalanche of events. However it was preceded by numerous other attempts, some likewise successful, by anarchists to kill members of various monarchies in the previous decades.
I think that Jack the Ripper opened the door for the anarchist movement.
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skitch
Gym climber
Bend Or
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May 13, 2015 - 03:42pm PT
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Sorry, I meant Warren G. Harding.
Harding pushed for the establishment of the Bureau of Veterans Affairs
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2015 - 03:44pm PT
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I heard that Teapot Dome is only 5.7 and overprotected.
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scuffy b
climber
heading slowly NNW
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May 13, 2015 - 03:54pm PT
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If not for Princip, they would have found some other spark.
They were itching for a fight.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Topic Author's Reply - May 13, 2015 - 04:11pm PT
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My point exactly scuffy.
Nicky said, "My cousin Willy loves me. He would never declare war."
Barely a month later Max Hoffman leads 135,000 german professional troops into Prussia using trains to transport troops and, for one of the first times in history, aerial recon to locate the enemy.
He obliterates the two advancing armies of 650,000 Russian troops, mostly shoeless peasants, because he knows their commanders won't lift a finger to help each other.
You see, almost ten years earlier as a military observer at the close of the Russo-Sino War, Hoffman was standing on a railway platform* in Manchuria, and witnessed the two Russian commanders get into a knock down brawl after one slapped the other with a glove.
Only frantic telegraph messages that night from the Czar prevented the duel.
Better for him if he hadn't.
The Russians lost a quarter million dead at Tannenberg, the deadliest single battle in history.
*also on that platform, "Black" Jack Pershing
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MisterE
Gym climber
Being In Sierra Happy Of Place
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May 13, 2015 - 04:59pm PT
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Nicola Tesla hands down ......
Correct answer.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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May 13, 2015 - 06:26pm PT
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Simple
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 13, 2015 - 06:32pm PT
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Those unconscionable losses to the Russians largely made the momentous day at the
Finland Station possible.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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May 13, 2015 - 06:37pm PT
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Uncle Joe Stalin, no doubt about it.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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May 13, 2015 - 06:42pm PT
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Obviously (op), The Twentieth Century Man, not the Twentieth Century Fox.
However, who is the TCM? Wasn't in the original list, but Vladimir Lenin.
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lars johansen
Trad climber
West Marin, CA
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May 13, 2015 - 07:35pm PT
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Rick got it right: Stalin, then Hitler, lastly Roosevelt.
lars
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 13, 2015 - 07:38pm PT
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Stalin? Pfffft! He woulda been a side note but for Zhukov.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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May 13, 2015 - 07:48pm PT
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All the other people mentioned used and benifited from many of Tesla's inventions.
By far Tesla was the greatest influence on the 20th century.
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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May 13, 2015 - 08:49pm PT
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I think that Jack the Ripper opened the door for the anarchist movement.
Could you expound on that a bit. I don't get it. Johann Most was talking "propaganda of the deed" in 1885, Ripper was 1888. Alexander II was assassinated in 1881.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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May 13, 2015 - 08:56pm PT
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I'm certainly not anti-Serb, but if the dude was so important then why
By the end of his brilliant and tortured life, the Serbian physicist, engineer and inventor Nikola Tesla was penniless and living in a small New York City hotel room. He spent days in a park surrounded by the creatures that mattered most to him—pigeons—and his sleepless nights working over mathematical equations and scientific problems in his head. That habit would confound scientists and scholars for decades after he died, in 1943. His inventions were designed and perfected in his imagination.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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May 14, 2015 - 10:59am PT
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I'm certainly not anti-Serb, but if the dude was so important then why
For the same reason Mozart died a pauper.
Warbler, I tried to restrict my comments to those on the original list proffered by Toker Villain.* If Jesus Christ were on the list, I would have said His influence exceeds any of the three named.
John
*Toker Villain, I never got a chance to compliment your choice of ST handle. When I was a kid, my cousin and I decided that natives of Castroville should be "Castrovillains."
John
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 14, 2015 - 11:08am PT
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Mozart died a pauper because he was anti-Serb? I thought he was just a
typical welfare cheat living beyond his means?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 14, 2015 - 12:07pm PT
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Mozart died a pauper cause he wasn't as 'smart' as Salieri.
Plus he had a high maintenance wife.
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Bruce Morris
Social climber
Belmont, California
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May 14, 2015 - 01:04pm PT
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Heinrich Himmler and his trusty aid, Adolf Eichmann?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujň de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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May 14, 2015 - 01:22pm PT
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I got it now. This is quite a device. I wonder if Tesla invented it. I think it should be used sparingly though, e.g. maybe when your dissertation defense starts to go south.
Thomas Mann failed to finish Bekenntnisse des Hochstaplers Felix Krull. Der Memoiren, erster Teil, for the same reason that Rosie Ruiz finished the Boston Marathon ahead of schedule.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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May 14, 2015 - 03:17pm PT
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Probably this guy.
Alan Mathison Turing, OBE, FRS (/ˈtjʊərɪŋ/ tewr-ing; 23 June 1912 – 7 June 1954) was a British pioneering computer scientist, mathematician, logician, cryptanalyst, philosopher, mathematical biologist, and marathon and ultra distance runner. He was highly influential in the development of computer science, providing a formalisation of the concepts of "algorithm" and "computation" with the Turing machine, which can be considered a model of a general purpose computer.[2][3][4] Turing is widely considered to be the father of theoretical computer science and artificial intelligence.[5]
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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May 14, 2015 - 06:05pm PT
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Agnes Driscoll
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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May 14, 2015 - 07:11pm PT
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Agnes Driscoll
Wow, what a woman she was.
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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May 14, 2015 - 07:12pm PT
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I've found AC to be useful so I'm going with Tesla
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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May 14, 2015 - 07:50pm PT
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Flip Flop's mention of Turing got me to thinking,
Who broke the Japanese naval code?
The world may have ended up looking quite different without Midway.
There she was.
From Toker's list Tesla, no contest!
Shockley and Noyce are right up there with him.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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May 14, 2015 - 09:10pm PT
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Hedy Lamarr.
Not because she invented spread spectrum frequency hopping to counter jamming of radio signals during WWII, but because she may have done the first Hollywood nude scene as well.
OK, Einstein and Tesla are up there also, but they're one dimensional compared to Hedy.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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May 15, 2015 - 07:32am PT
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marx...for the 100 million (conservatively) murdered (usually slowly through starvation) to promote socialism
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paul roehl
Boulder climber
california
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May 15, 2015 - 08:11am PT
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I vote Hedy Lamarr for most influential orgasm of the 20th C.
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Gary
Social climber
From A Buick 6
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May 15, 2015 - 09:08am PT
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^^ She said the secret of her beauty was “to stand there and look stupid.”
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sempervirens
climber
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May 15, 2015 - 09:15pm PT
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she spread spectrum frequency hop jamming nude.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that the light at the end of the tunnel or a tr
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May 16, 2015 - 04:33am PT
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Tesla
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Bob Harrington
climber
Bishop, California
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May 16, 2015 - 09:47am PT
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As to Warbler's list of influential musicians, they're great, but I have to put Les Paul first. Besides being a fine musician and recording artist, his pioneering work on the solid body electric guitar and multi-track recording had a ubiquitous influence on the sound and direction of 20th century music.
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rockermike
Trad climber
Berkeley
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May 17, 2015 - 08:03pm PT
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The suggestions above seem rather euro centric. No one has mentioned Mao yet. 1.3 billion people have him to thank for living on the cusp of the modern world... rather than a failed feudal empire.
Not making excuses for his technique but he got the job done. I'm living in China right now and not a day goes by that I am not amazed at this country... both the number of people and the rate of modernization. Say goodbye to mud huts and hello to widescreen TV in every house. Not that that is necessarily an improvement and no doubt mother earth will pay.... but it still impresses me.
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sween345
climber
back east
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May 20, 2015 - 06:22pm PT
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moosedrool,
Groucho or Harpo?
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maddog69
Trad climber
Ut
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May 20, 2015 - 07:03pm PT
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Hitler
Churchill
FDR
Tesla
Maytag (for the ladies who all of a sudden started going to college and voting)
Fermi (Oppie was more interesting and conjoined but Fermi made it real)
Anybody named Warren (Hardings, Brauns, Buffet etc..)
For the dark side: Stalin/Mao/Tojo/Vader
Tom Dowd/Elvis/ Gene Autry (Everything about music you know was heavily impacted by these three )
And because, f*#k it, Ali
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