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Josh Nash,
I've done some vacationing at MOUT. Your description brings a laugh and fond(ish) memories. Long Rifle is always listening.
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dave729
Trad climber
Western America
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So what do you suggest? Best practices for surviving this? Buy a burner
phone and FedEx Ground you regular cell to a remailing service on the other side of the country? (duh... so it'll eventually come back)
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jonnyrig
climber
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Just speaking for myself, i think anyone bent on terrorism could do far better than trying to disrupt an active military training exercise, with far better potential for success.
One point for you Ron- if you and your militia want to be taken seriously, with any chance of protecting this country from terrorism and tyranny, y'all best learn to separate the wheat from the chaff real quick. These far-fetched conspiracy theories and the credit you give them make you susceptible to misdirection and internal fracture. They dont have to defeat you when you can be so easily misled.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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jonnyrig
climber
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Jade Helm 15 is the US Govt Military " training operation and simulations" to go on from 15 july to 15 Aug this year across the country and urban warfare and riots controls are the focus. In short fighting HERE. THe Walmarts closed also coincide with the areas of intensity of these Military ops coming up. Now tunnels below some of those walmarts have been discovered. A joint venture of NSA, DHS and many other FED agencys have been building these. There are fully stocked literal citys supposedly hidden in these tunnels. All over the south these tunnels have been constructed. Info of tunnels in Colorado and west as well. These Walmarts were all very high money making stores for the chain. They were closed and windows covered overnight with no warning to emoloyees. SOme say the walmarts are being used to stage construction areas for these tunnels. No state or county applications have ever been recorded for these tunnels.
Quit writing like this. ^^^
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jonnyrig
climber
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You know, i didnt get as far as googling the tunnels. Link please to the facts YOU read please? I would like to read it verbatim from your source.
Maybe not a conspiracy, ok? But come on... it,s almost (though VERY different) like philo "appreciating" guns.
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jonnyrig
climber
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What lie? So far, thats just speculation.
AND for the third time, what the hell are you proposing we do about it?
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa y Perrito Ruby
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Can one of the gurus out there summarize what you have learned regarding the:
1) Existence of tunnels
2) The supposed, proposed, imagined ... use for the tunnels if they exist
OT: If they exist and are only going to be used in the summer of 2015, will they (especially the ones near the border) be available for government lease thereafter?
We are a small non-profit organization involved in bringing water and library books to needy compadres in Mexico and are looking for inexpensive means of shipping.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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Only a fool believes You Tube as an information source...
... get a grip dude!
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Rons alleged facts
It happens that the walmarst closed across the country are also in the operation zone of Jade Helm 15..
Those are facts and walmarts well know association with DHS is also fact.
Okay, why did a Walmart in Florida also close?
Your evidence is what is called circumstantial. Sort of like saying toilet paper cause cancer. Proof of that is the fact that everyone that gets cancer used toilet paper.
Saying Walmart is associated with DHS not a fact, it is a conclusion, based on other facts, which you have not identified.
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looking sketchy there...
Social climber
Lassitude 33
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I once proved that chalk was the single most important safety device ever adopted by climbers, using facts from Accidents in North American Mountaineering. After all most climbing accidents occur in the warm and sweaty summer months. And most accidents involve a slip and resulting fall. Couple this with the fact that there are no documented cases of a dead climber being found with chalk on his/her hands and the conclusion is inescapable.
But as many people (should) know, correlation and cause and effect are two completely different things. These conspiracy theorists capitalize on ignorance and a remarkable lack of critical thinking.
I don't know Ron, but if someone has to hit rock bottom before realizing they need help, I think he is there.
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jonnyrig
climber
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After googling, i'm convinced...
You're hunting bigfoot.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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You know, I go to Walmart about once a month but after clicking on Cosmic's link I might
have to cut back. I am comforted by the thought that most of those people probably don't vote.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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This is training to fight US citizens here in this country.
Ron, if they are spouting the stuff you post, then this is an entirely reasonable exercise!
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jonnyrig
climber
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Where does modern warfare take place?
Door to door in the streets of modern foreign cities, often of similar cnstruction to our own.
Who are they figiting?
Foreign military and nonmilitary combatants, who may be dressed in anything includding local clothing and/or military uniforms.
Why would we train them to fight in tunnels and subways when those dont exist in (insert hostile country here)?
Well Bob, you just never know when where or under what conditions our servicemen may have to fight next. We try to be ready for anything, so we give them the best broad-spectrum training we can.
Did they not drag Hussein out of some rathole tunnel? Did we not face difficulty separating hostile and peaceful individuals in foriegn lands? Are we not currently fighting in modern cities as well as outdoor environments?
Would you not be offended by substandard training for our military that left them woefully unprepared for the reality of todays combat conditions?
You invite us to look with open eyes then throw the blinders up at the slightest suggestion that there may be incontinuities in your ball of yarn.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Look, i appreciate the attention you brought to the subject, and i was not aware of the forthcoming training op. Its interesting and bears some worthy observance. The correlations you draw to the rest, and the relavant google results seem about as likely as indisputable sasquatch evidence.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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How does the rancher idiot, Bundy, stand on this paranoid delusion?
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jonnyrig
climber
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Where's the list of things for which you were wrong?
I get it. The government has f*#ked up in the past.
Martial law? Combat against our own citizens on a large scale like this? Pretty far-fetched.
Are you suggesting that the 2.2 million members of our armed forces, including reserves, the majority of which are in non-combat roles and by far the VAST majority of which are U.S. citizens themselves, are going to roll into town to take over entire states and/or regions of states, placing them under martial law? Does that not sound a bit ridiculous to you?
To what end? What's the benefit? Is this some sort of disarmament scheme? Is it more insidious than that?
AGAIN- how should we react? I'm getting tired of asking that. But I'm going to repeat it until you answer it.
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