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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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You are all underestimating her. She is winning by far in votes and delegates. She also leads Trump in the polls. Not exactly a dire position to be in, particularly when she gets a 5-point bounce after she wins the nomination and has Bernie campaigning for her, not against.
Bernie could not crack her popularity with minority voters. Trump will fare far worse.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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I see the media is still reporting "winning California" like that's actually an important thing.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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She will be declared the presumptive nominee next Tuesday after New Jersey votes, before the polls close in Calofornia.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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I watched "Black Hawk Down" last nite.....
Those guys getting slaughtered, following Bill Clinton's "Rules of Engagement"....
I guess the same "rules" apply under Obama with HRC, you know.
Benghazi???????????? was just another similar tale
Brought it all back for me... Clinton BullSh#t,..
no sir I don't want another taste.
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couchmaster
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2016 - 10:28am PT
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Highdesertdj noted, quote: "I see the media is still reporting "winning California" like that's actually an important thing."
It is. If they go to the convention (they will) and Bernie can get the rules ironed out to be fair, that is, so that the candidate that won a particular state then gets that states "super delegates", then Bernie wins.
You hear that? I'll say it again. Bernie wins. As the most honest of the folks running, it would be strange to see him get it. Most dems here on ST strangely want the dishonest one to win. If Bernie wins the democratic nomination he becomes President. If Hillary wins she loses the main race and the new President, President Trump, will prosecute her ...cause that's how he rolls.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Benghazi was a bad deal. Blaming it on Hillary is buying into a rightwing hoax. One that's need debunked by multiple bipartisan commissions.
Electing the draft-dodging Trump, who wants to carpet bomb the Middle East, is beyond dangerous. The death toll in Benghaxi would pale by comparison. He's America's - and our military's, greatest nightmare.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Most dems here on ST strangely want the dishonest one to win. Based on the comments I've read here, I would say most Democrats posting on ST want Hillary to win the nomination, because they're afraid of what happens if Bernie is the nominee. I don't find that view irrational. Hillary's negatives have been publicized for over 20 years. I don't see those negatives growing between now and November.
Much of the electorate remains functionally ignorant about Bernie. As they learn more, his negatives and positives both should grow, but there's no guaranty that his positives will outweigh his negatives with the general public. Those of us who voted in the 1972 election probably remember thinking that McGovern was a better man than Nixon, but Nixon won 49 states in the election because his campaign convinced most voters that McGovern's policies were too far to the left.
I think that if most Democrats posting an opinion on ST had a choice between Hillary or Bernie winning the Presidency, they'd choose Bernie.
John
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Better talk to Craig Fry, get it on his list of the biggest threats to America. Might want to hurry, the list is expanding at an exponential rate.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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I'm curious Guyman, how could you possibly think Trump would be any different?
Dingus.... I am a gambler, Donald will be the worst nightmare for the establishment types in power, all of them. I think that would be a good thing.
I know HRC will ruin the USA... she is cut from the same lying sack o poo that Bill is.... fricken lawyers, twisting the truth, lying every time they open their pie holes.
The known way she treats the military people who come into daily contact with her, the Secret Service people who she insults all the time.
To me the choice is quite clear, I have zero doubts.
But I would vote for The Bern, cause he is a honest civil servant who hasn't enriched himself at his Government jobs.
Think about that Democrats. (I was a lifelong member in till 4 months ago)
Why do you try to shove HRC down our throats?
A rigged system, thanks.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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And DMT... I think that putting our troops into danger and then tying there hands with BS rules is a crime against the grunts who are sent into the two way rifle range.
this was an edit but I moved it.
thank you for being civil DMT, these are tough times.
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couchmaster
climber
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Topic Author's Reply - Jun 2, 2016 - 11:08am PT
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Right on Guyman. Respect your choice, but disagree on a point: It seems to me that Bill Clinton did a decent job as President.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Right on Guyman. Respect your choice, but disagree on a point: Bill Clinton did a decent job as President.
I agree on the Domestic side, esp after he gave HRC the boot after 2 years of her helping out. Internationally he was to wishy washy about the use of force.... he did some good and some BS.
His biggest mistake IMHO: When asked if he had sex with Monica, while under oath. He should have just said "Yes, sir- and I would like to think I made every red blooded American man proud"
No lies, no BS
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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I would never allow the military to 'just go do their job.' Their job is to do what the President tells them. They swore an oath.
agree 100%
and yes we are friends.... hope to go climbing with you someday.
cheers
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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"His biggest mistake IMHO: When asked if he had sex with Monica, while under oath. He should have just said "Yes, sir- and I would like to think I made every red blooded American man proud"
Bush invades a country,lies about WMD, over a half million dead (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/iraq-death-toll_n_4102855.html); and you are proud if Clinton told the truth about a blow job.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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guyman posted His biggest mistake IMHO: When asked if he had sex with Monica, while under oath. He should have just said "Yes, sir- and I would like to think I made every red blooded American man proud"
No lies, no BS
He took advantage of a power differential to sexually exploit an underling. Clinton is a brilliant man with exceptional political talents. And he's also guilty of sexual harassment. He should have admitted to it and then spent the resulting years campaigning to protect women in the workplace.
And Republicans shouldn't have wasted all our damn time and money trying to destroy the Clintons.
guyman posted And DMT... I think that putting our troops into danger and then tying there hands with BS rules is a crime against the grunts who are sent into the two way rifle range.
"Tying their hands" means "having humanity" and also "accomplishing a mission." Nobody forced them to sign up. Nobody promised them we would protect them above all else. In previous wars we sent thousands of soldiers to certain death because we thought it was the tactically correct decision. "Don't shoot at schools" seems like a pretty small ask to not turn an otherwise potential ally into a certain enemy and put even more American lives at risk.
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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Bush invades a country,lies about WMD, over a half million dead ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/15/iraq-death-toll_n_4102855.html);; and you are proud if Clinton told the truth about a blow job.
Bob... Respectfully. That is a different issue. Bush was/is scum of the lowest denominator.
Thats why I want someone other than a Clinton or a Bush. The repubs figured we would go for JEB! Thats one reason I switched party's so I could vote for the wrecking ball.
simple?
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guyman
Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
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"Tying their hands" means "having humanity" and also "accomplishing a mission." Nobody forced them to sign up. Nobody promised them we would protect them above all else. In previous wars we sent thousands of soldiers to certain death because we thought it was the tactically correct decision. "Don't shoot at schools" seems like a pretty small ask to not turn an otherwise potential ally into a certain enemy and put even more American lives at risk.
How about we send you into danger?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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How about don't sign up for our all volunteer army if you don't like the rules? How about I promise as a citizen to not support sending soldiers on missions it isn't worth risking their lives for? How about you stop pretending like if a soldier killed your kid you wouldn't be interested in fighting against that soldier's country?
*edit*
Iraq War Vet: Trump University Fired Me ‘Because I Was In The Military’
Iraq War veteran Corinne Sommer is not allowed to talk about the settlement she reached with Trump University after she was fired in 2007.
But in a deposition first made public on Tuesday, Sommer said she believed the real estate seminar provider terminated her because her military commitments as a reservist interfered — a little — with her work as an events planner for the company.
“I was fired because I was in the military,” she told attorneys as part of an unrelated fraud case against Trump University. “At the end of my [performance] evaluation, they wrote that it was a problem that I was in the military.” Sommer was an Army staff sergeant who had deployed to Iraq in 2003.
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