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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Mar 27, 2015 - 05:29pm PT
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knowing CPR is great and everyone should know it and if you don't at least start jumping up and down on their chest. The sad reality is that CPR in traumatic cardiac arrest such as a fall or blunt force trauma is pretty much an act of making yourself feel better and those around the incident. Getting viable pulse and rhythm back after a traumatic full arrest is somewhere in the 1-2% range and that may even be hopeful. After 27 years as a paramedic in South Central and East Los Angeles I have only witnessed one successful save. By all means do it but do not expect a positive outcome. I have performed it 3 times off duty on motorcycle riders on Angeles Crest Hwy. and the only reason I did it was for the friends of the riders who want to feel like something was done but in each case as soon as SAR medics arrived they pronounced them dead. Witnessed medical cardiac arrests with immediate CPR has a much higher rate of survival.
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Evel
Trad climber
Nedsterdam CO
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Mar 27, 2015 - 06:09pm PT
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Batrock and SLR have it right-Best first aid item is a roll of coaches tape and a pocket knife. That, and common sense. And I usually have a space blanket at the bottom of my pack. (came in handy when I delivered a kiddo a few miles in on a x-country ski trail. Mom was due that day and thought some skiing would help things along. She was right!)
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 29, 2015 - 11:20pm PT
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Great responses all, thanks for the continued input. That's quite a tale Evel!
I've had a couple of "Kid boo-boo" events happen when training up pn Mt. Charleston with SAR - in both cases, I treated with a healthy dose of jokes and their choice of Frozen or Cars band-aids that I keep for just that reason. (Secondary application of Disney band-aids go to whiny adults, which I encounter quite often in ultra races - they don't get a choice :p )
I tend to agree with Batrock - many of the EMTs I know will work a full code just for the benefit of friends and family members. It seems to help in many cases, and easing suffering is never a bad thing.
Maid, if you happen to get a few days in Vegas, I'd be happy to help you get your FA/WFA recert done.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2015 - 04:21pm PT
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So I just found out that a lot of the WFR courses require you to have a CPR-Pro cert, so I am going to knock that out next week. One advantage of working for an ASHI Training Center is I can just self teach and test out. Coming up in about June I will need to renew my Instructor cert, but I have taught enough classes the last couple years that I won't have to retest there.
Having a hell of a time finding an ASHI WFR program - I don't mind traveling to get the cert, but I'd prefer to stay with the ASHI courses so that I can upgrade my Instructor to Level 1.
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lars johansen
Trad climber
West Marin, CA
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Mar 31, 2015 - 05:43pm PT
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Batrock said it-lars
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Mar 31, 2015 - 09:22pm PT
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The two major wilderness medicine programs (esp. WMA & WMI) include CPR training within their WFR curriculum. WMI (aka NOLS) has a layperson-level CPR (1 rescuer adult CPR, FBAO), while WMA includes Professional BLS CPR (1 & 2 rescuer adult/child/infant CPR, FBAO adult/child/infant), as well as training in the use of AED's, oxygen, and airway adjuncts.
Even most of the smaller, lesser-known programs typically integrate some level of CPR into their WFR curriculums.
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 31, 2015 - 09:32pm PT
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There's people with lots of certificates and no live real time in the field experience.
Then there's people with one or two certificates and years of live real time in the field experience.
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 31, 2015 - 09:38pm PT
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Yeah Apogee, I just figured that my CPR/FA/AED would be enough. Not a big deal though, I can get the Pro done in a couple days.
And yeah, Werner, I know that's a truth. I spent a couple years on SAR here, but we weren't super busy as the team was still building. May go back to it now that they have agreements with Metro SAR and the parks. I want to get my NASAR cert at some point. But between the two, I will go with the guy with years of experience and few certs (if I had a choice at that point.) You managed to package me up and get me off the base of the Cap OK, so I have first hand experience that you know what you're doing :p (As if there was any doubt.)
I'd love to get on YOSAR, but quite frankly I can't cut the mustard on the physical requirements, and I don't think the wife would want to live in Merced.
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