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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 1, 2015 - 01:55pm PT
At least in NPs they could be declared an upland game bird species with an unlimited season and bag limit.

Limiting the loads to #6 shot or less would minimize collateral damage and fatalities while maximizing long term pain.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 1, 2015 - 02:14pm PT
I find it amusing when, in the rare instance, I'm in complete agreement with TGT.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 1, 2015 - 06:52pm PT
Apogee..We all have those senior moments...
Greg Maschinot

climber
Mar 1, 2015 - 07:36pm PT
Demonstrate that violence can be a very effective tool.
scooter

climber
fist clamp
Mar 1, 2015 - 07:55pm PT
Todd Gordon. What rock is the stick figure painted on? Is it in J-Tree?

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 1, 2015 - 08:14pm PT
If the 'problem' disappears, it's pretty 'effective', isn't it?
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Mar 1, 2015 - 08:23pm PT
Glad this didn't get posted to the first world problems thread.
Psilocyborg

climber
Mar 1, 2015 - 08:49pm PT
Someone should have taken a sh!t on his head and called it art .....

You are thinking of either g.g. Allen, or perhaps the butthole surfers.

Fortunately I do not understand the desire for people to get this dark. Shock for the sake of shock, weird for the sake of weird, graffiti for the sake of graffiti.
Todd Gordon

Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
Mar 1, 2015 - 08:59pm PT
I think someone said it was up by the contact mine area...which is above Magic Mountain area...which is just west of the 29 palms entrance kiosk..
it's a bit of a hike into the mine...it's a cool area.......an isolated area that a lot of hikers like to visit.
Dr.Sprock

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Mar 2, 2015 - 01:12am PT
plenty of other people to hate on,
why pick on somebody you will never see or meet? convenience?
resentments are the #1 killers of climbers, no wait...

resentment in latin means to re-feel, or to play the tape over and over in you tiny noggin, stoopid americsans, go back to the shopping malls,
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 2, 2015 - 06:15am PT
Resentment in italian is re-fill...i'm going to re-fill my growler...
justthemaid

climber
Jim Henson's Basement
Mar 2, 2015 - 06:46am PT
I guess I'll weigh in since this is something I've actively dealt with.

The increase in tagging in parks gets my blood boiling too. "Clearest sign of societal degradation." indeed. I just don't get this need to visually piss on nature's beautiful things. It drives me totally crazy, and if I had the time and money, I'd dedicate myself to helping the parks with removal.

As an artist I acknowledge some forms of graffiti as "art", but taken outside of the context of the urban environment and the culture that perpetrates it, it's just senseless destruction for no purpose. It's certainly not ok to tag a building either, but erasing spray paint from man-made surfaces is cake compared to dealing with removal outdoors.

I primarily dealt with the soft sandstone at Stoney and a bit at Malibu Creek and Echo Cliffs. Stoney is a total mess, and the kids will never stop tagging there, so over time it became easier to take on a visual-minimization tactic rather than trying to actually remove it. If the tags were directly on a climbing route I'd leave it alone and let UV and climbing shoes work on it. In more remote areas that are less prone to tagging, it was more worth the effort of complete removal.

Side comment on sandblasting- like Reilly said, you can modulate the pressure so you aren't gouging the rock. I actually had a small hand-held nozzle and would carry in a single pre-loaded air tank and bag of sand for small areas. I could just sort of feather the top layer of paint to make the tag less visible. The air pressure was low, and the sand would run out before any damage to the rock could occur. It became a bit of a PIA to carry the stuff in and the sand costs money, so I sort of gave up on it, but it was an interesting experiment nonetheless.
guyman

Social climber
Moorpark, CA.
Mar 2, 2015 - 08:53am PT
Maid.... thank you for your work.

hopefully you get to do none of that in your new home.

10b4me

Social climber
Mar 2, 2015 - 09:15am PT
Don't think that these Taggers are just punks... its a matter of intense pride to these guys. I worked in Van Nuys one time, when I pulled up one early am... some dude was tagging the end building.... I jumped out of my car and started walking over to the dude ..... the f*#ker turned to me and pulled out a 9mm!!!!!
Told me "get the f*#k outa here, man!!!" And he had back up, a car load of other hard ball boyz were showing me their weapons....

I knew someone who worked as a painter for LAUSD. He was painting over the graffiti in a restroom at one of the inner city high schools. A tagger walked in and said to stop, then pulled out a piece. The painter was done for the day.
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Mar 2, 2015 - 09:27am PT
Third world solutions to first world problems. Praise violence! What are those diverse types so bent out of shape about anyway?
splitclimber

climber
Sonoma County
Mar 2, 2015 - 11:40am PT
its a disturbing trend,
pine canyon at mt. diablo is awful.
my local bouldering spot got hit by the local gang a few months ago. it was depressing to walk down and see the trail of paint. :(
jonnyrig

climber
Mar 2, 2015 - 11:56am PT
Did you know they make paintballs filled with capsaicin and UV paint?
Someone should really go tag the perpetraitors. Then turn them in.
Sioux Juan

Big Wall climber
Costa mesa
Mar 2, 2015 - 12:24pm PT
My son's live in New Hampshire....................the snow is so deep........... I hear the 10 foot snow is now being tagged ?
neebee

Social climber
calif/texas
Mar 2, 2015 - 02:02pm PT
hey there say, guyman, and justthemaid...

as to this:

Justhemaid did a good job of keeping it kicked back at Stoney in years past.....
she would just touch it up some and make the painting sort of disappear.


yes, i too was wondering, if this would help, in cases where you can't get it all... :(


touch it up and make it look like the REAL rock, again...
thanks for sharing, both of you... :)
scooter

climber
fist clamp
Mar 2, 2015 - 03:50pm PT
Thanks for the info T. Gordon
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