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rottingjohnny

Sport climber

mammoth lakes ca

Feb 18, 2015 - 07:51pm PT

The Chief...Rad..!!

crankster

Trad climber

Feb 18, 2015 - 07:57pm PT

Oh man, ADHD and turbid sophomoricism, Cheef, you're the whole package.

You girls carry on. I'll check back when the adults reemerge.

Feb 18, 2015 - 07:55pm PT
It's true. The self determination of the Yugoslavian states went on for years. It came to be regarded by western media as something "those people" loved to indulge in.

10 years collectively of civil war in Europe and no one else gave a sh#t until Clinton was embarrassed into doing something. It's a fact.

Yeah, something about sending your country's young men and women into a foreign war somehow stymies leaders. Oh yeah, except George Bush.

crankster

Trad climber

Feb 18, 2015 - 08:05pm PT

You lost me at the Ducati GP-15, Cheef.

ISIS..Focus.

peladob

Mountain climber

Mason City, Iowa

Feb 18, 2015 - 10:35pm PT

Back in Utah and trying to get back to climbing.

Thyroids are tricky, keep at it.

johnboy

Trad climber

Can't get here from there

Feb 18, 2015 - 10:35pm PT

Yeah, after Clinton sat on his prickless ass and so many hundreds of thousands of innocent women and children were brutalized and slaughtered.

Yes, it's better to attack a country that didn't do anything to us and kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians.

Also, there's a couple of reasons all of our forces were volunteer. First we've been without a draft for many years so of course it was full of volunteers that had joined for a myriad of reasons. Then came a bumper crop of people that wanted to go to war in retribution for being attacked on American soil. Unfortunately we invaded the wrong country.
It's no wonder why we aren't loved throughout the middle east/world.

johnboy

Trad climber

Can't get here from there

Feb 18, 2015 - 11:37pm PT

We could go on and on about what happened under which potus.

I think you give ISIS to much credence.

crankster

Trad climber

Feb 19, 2015 - 06:57am PT

First thing the President needs to do is consult the foreign policy experts at Supertopo. What better qualification is there than being a dirtbag climber with a drinking problem? I mean, with all the parroting of rightwing media's talking points (golfing is a popular one, the failure to "recognize" terrorists another), he could get it all in one stop.

And then the advice! Snipers, snipers, everywhere!! Getting the B-52's (not the group) out of mothballs, another!! Easy stuff, this combating a terrorist group operating amongst the civilian population in Arab nations halfway around the world.

Meanwhile, there is no sign of ISIS on the U.S. southern border. The Supertopo milita, ever vigilante, stands guard against the tide.

crankster

Trad climber

Feb 19, 2015 - 07:48am PT

Another day of picking low hanging fruit? You must have a more productive activity.
He could end it tomorrow with a few nukes, huh, genius?

dirtbag

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2015 - 08:02am PT

Millions of ^^^^trolls^^^^ have also been allowed to spew their incessant verbal diarhea under Obama's watch. This started under Clinton, who also did nothing. I hold the dem presidents 100% responsible.

climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Feb 19, 2015 - 08:02am PT

I am more in ELCYOAZs camp. ISIS is pissing off their neighbors and that is who must end it. We should if asked facilitate and provide air support, rescue and some special forces. I am very against a major ground offensive by US troops.

The end picture is very unclear. I suspect the area will remain unstable for at least a decade after ISIS is gone. Realistically perhaps until oil runs out mebbe another 100 years.

Brutal minor leaders will continue to come and go. This is why I want the Jordans and Egypts of the area to be invested highly as they may be the only positive forces that can help stabilize the area. They are not exactly super stable themselves but If they don't we won't succeed in making this place any more stable either. Probably less so.

dirtbag

climber

Topic Author's Reply - Feb 19, 2015 - 08:04am PT

Yeah, that's my thinking too.

climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Feb 19, 2015 - 08:09am PT

Armies and Logistics don't run on religion. They run on money.

They may and in this case are recruiting on religion. Recruit all you want.. without the money in this case oil.. the best you will have is a lot of mouths to feed and no way to feed them.

This place has been and will continue to be unstable and dangerous to the world for decades due to culture and oil money.

climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Feb 19, 2015 - 08:14am PT

I have...but logistics are logistics. Can't run a real army which a real state requires without vast funding. Without funding there is no caliphate. There would still of course be a lot of jihadists with much more limited but still troublesome capabilities.

That is not going to change in our lifetime though no matter what we do.

The best thing is for those most directly affected to solve the problem. The various states in the area are the only ones who can make the best outcome.

johnboy

Trad climber

Can't get here from there

Feb 19, 2015 - 08:22am PT

Nice, put cap on what era presidents count.
Lets count the main one, how many American soldiers have died under which potus since your arbitrary date?

ISIS's political stage and fear mongering is designed just for people like you. More American battling in this area is what fuels there recruiting.

We'll all step up to the plate when need be, your not alone.

climbski2

Mountain climber

Anchorage AK, Reno NV

Feb 19, 2015 - 08:25am PT

I didnt say sanctions was what would beat ISIS. I said oil money fuels the danger of the middle east. In this case ISIS and will be a problem for decades.

To destroy ISIS their 20k troops need to be killed and beaten into submission good old fashioned war style The Caliphate must have no territory and it would be best if Baghdadi remains alive with no territory.

But not by us.

TGT

Social climber

So Cal

Feb 19, 2015 - 08:33am PT

crankster

Trad climber

Feb 19, 2015 - 08:37am PT

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujò de la Playa

Feb 19, 2015 - 09:24am PT

Just like Vietnam, eh The? Though you most likely won't be able to, you should at least try to understand history.

Vietnam War

1955–1975

47,424

10,785

58,209

153,303

211,454 [Total U.S. dead and wounded]

2,489[62]

[21][63]Note as of 20 February 2014 Vietnam MIA Are 1,643

You can look up what all the numbers represent on the Internet.