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the Fet
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Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 27, 2015 - 04:15pm PT
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Without data it's all conjecture and the fact the NFL has refused to release any details on the actual PSI of the footballs at the halftime
That says so much. More than one "fact" has been reported that turned out false in this story. And so much missing information. How much did the Colts balls drop? What were the Colts balls at when tested before the game? How many psi were the Pats balls down? Conflicting reports say in 11 of 12 2 psi down OR 1 ball 2 psi down, 10 balls below stated limit?
HeadSmart Labs experiment shows a loss of 1.8 psi from temp and water on the leather.
[Click to View YouTube Video]
After seeing the BB, TB press conferences my GUESS/FEELING is this. Brady and the equipment guy had a process to get the balls to just 12.5 for measuring and they'd drop significantly by game time. BB knew nothing about it until after this all blew up. Rubbing the balls heats them up. They can use wax and who knows what else to get them tacky and maybe that could temporary shrink the leather raising the psi.
Every ball inflated to 12.5 psi indoors is going to drop under 12.5 when brought outdoors when it's cool/cold weather. The rules stipulate they provide balls at 12.5 to 13.5 they don't say they have to remain there. So technically maybe they were following the rules. Just looking for loopholes. When asked if he cheated Brady said 'I don't think I did anything wrong' instead of just NO! That leads me to believe he knew what was going on but believed it to be within the rules. If that's the case should he have just admitted it then? Maybe but then many people would have said that's cheating even if not technically the case.
What's really lame has been the way this whole thing has been handled. It looks like the Ravens had sour grapes and tipped off the NFL/Colts. Instead of going to the Pats and saying make sure your balls are in spec. they setup a lame sting operation without constant surveillance of the balls. Then they leak select information to ESPN some of which turns out to be false.
I understand why Kraft is pissed and wants an apology if no wrong doing is found. If found guilty they should throw the book at them.
But even if/when the NFL says they have no evidence the rules were deliberately broken many people will still say they cheated because:
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Jan 27, 2015 - 06:33pm PT
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Well this sort of thing never happens in baseball ... whoops no air ... in basketball.
However, did anyone check Brady's hands for this?
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 30, 2015 - 11:56am PT
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"Will Mr Fred Biletnikoff please pick up a yellow courtesy phone?"
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 30, 2015 - 11:58am PT
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ILLEGAL USE OF THE IDEAL GAS LAW - 15 yards?
what's the hand signal going to look like?
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i'm gumby dammit
Sport climber
da ow
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Jan 30, 2015 - 12:05pm PT
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Several years ago I bought Bradying.com as a joke. Then around the super bowl 2012 it took off, even making national news and being featured in a South Park episode. Hopefully Brady will do something stupid again this year. In the mean time, get your Brady on.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2015 - 12:07pm PT
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Shaqtin' the fool!
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 30, 2015 - 12:20pm PT
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I gotta say that if Brady and the equipment manager figured out that the balls' pressure changes naturally in response to the temperature of the air, that they become even more respectable in my eyes... applying a physics concept in a real life situation is wonderful. Everything is done within the rules, and the outcome is easier to handle balls...
As for the NFL rule, by constraining the shape of the football (by the dimensions) and the pressure of the football (which they intended to do even though they erroneously use the units "pounds" rather than "psi" in their rule) they inadvertently set the temperature range that the game can be played in... and that range is around the temperature of the gas pumped into the balls.
PV = NRT
fixing P and V, you've set T... I'm sure they had no idea that that was what they were doing with that rule.
I'd love to see someone try to explain that to the Rules Committee...
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Jan 30, 2015 - 01:28pm PT
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This thread is ragefest kneejerk honeypot.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 30, 2015 - 01:32pm PT
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gumby you cropped the slung seawhawk head out:
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jan 30, 2015 - 02:11pm PT
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Turns out the refs never pre logged the psi data..lol
patriots are effing awesome...
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Jan 30, 2015 - 02:45pm PT
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montana said that brady must have known about it. he also said its a stupid rule and every QB likes there ball a certain way.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 30, 2015 - 04:21pm PT
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I think that what Brady said is that he did not knowingly violate the rules...
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Jan 30, 2015 - 07:00pm PT
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it's like watching ed go over to the dark side on the climate thread
heh
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Osprey
climber
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Jan 30, 2015 - 07:20pm PT
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Tom's got the flattest balls of them all!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 30, 2015 - 09:29pm PT
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Brady's balls are soft!
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Osprey
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Jan 30, 2015 - 09:42pm PT
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The Patriots' ball boy stuck needles in Tom's balls, and the NFL tests Earl Thomas for HGH. Go figure.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Jan 30, 2015 - 09:43pm PT
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oh, I'm definitely a Patriots fan, from 1961... nothing lasts forever so I'm enjoying this last 15 years (omg, maybe that's why there's been a hiatus! its start corresponds with the first Patriots' superbowl win!!)
anyway... eat sh#t and die! my team's in the big game (again)...
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jan 31, 2015 - 12:03am PT
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The Seahawks lead the league. In PED suspensions. But balls taken from a warm dry locker room to a cold wet field somehow lost pressure, that's serious. Oh the humanity.
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