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Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Jan 22, 2015 - 11:45am PT
Second ascent will be TC again, just a bit faster

Otherwise, probability is so random, no guess besides "never' is very likely.

Because it takes very rare and specialized skills, combined with a LOT of time and practice, all for the privilege of a Second ascent. When has someone that good put that much time in a second ascent when it's not some short limestone route?

The answer is, look at the very few free ascents of the (once) more famous Nose which is piss easy compared to the Dawn Wall.

This route will stand the test of time until somebody like Ondra gets obsessed with it and there's no predicting that

It needs Skills+time+obsession

The only people that can waltz back and do it quick is Tommy or Kevin

Peace

Karl
Bruce Morris

Social climber
Belmont, California
Jan 22, 2015 - 12:14pm PT
Two teen bouldering women from Fontainebleau are going to fly from Orleans Airport to SFO, get a rental car and drive to the Valley. On the morning of the next day, they'll climb half-way up the Dawn in one push - no falls and no hangs - to a pre-prepared bivy-base camp installed earlier in the week by their support team. On the second day, they'll ace all the pitches of the second half of the route, descend the East Ledges and have dinner at the Ahwahnee Hotel. The third day, they drive back to SFO, check in their rental car, and fly home to France. No problem (plus they'll down rate every pitch).

If you live a hundred more years, you'll see that scenario come true.
this just in

climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
Jan 22, 2015 - 12:23pm PT
I agree, it would be cool to see what happens if Ondra tries it.

He'll be cited for breaking a noise ordinance.
mcreel

climber
Barcelona
Jan 22, 2015 - 12:31pm PT
"...Ondra or some other cool-today, gone-tomorrow Euro limestone wanker..."

If you're gonna go trolling, you need to know what size bait to put on your hook.
scaredycat

Trad climber
Berkeley,CA
Jan 22, 2015 - 05:27pm PT

OK, I'll sacrifice myself to bottom of the page and throw more gasoline on the fire:

Yeah, it's not like any climbers from the east side of the Pond have schooled us recently on any bastions of US climbing, oh like off-width.

But seriously, I just want to see other really good climbers take a recon up there and see what they can do, good or bad I'll love it. If you pin me down, I'm guessing that someone other and TC will get 99% of it within a couple years. Doing it clean in one short (< 7 days) push, do I look like Carnac?

really: 8' traversing downward dyno?
shipoopoi

Big Wall climber
oakland
Jan 23, 2015 - 10:22am PT
i think the dawn wall will be repeated in about 5 or 6 years by an american team.

i don't get why people think tommy would ever go back to the dawn wall. he just did it in freaking perfect style. i am sure he is way over it right now.

it won't be a euro team. this route takes too much time and dedication, and unless a euro wants to move here for a few years, it ain't gonna happen. the hubers are too old, and so is lynnie. plus, it won't be anybody short...i'm sure there are many height dependent moves up there. sharma's name came up, and yeah...he could probably do it if he can tear himself away from making the first ascents of the hardest single pitch climbs in the world over there in spain.

it's funny to me that who i see as the likeliest candidates for a second ascent have not even been mentioned on this thread. these are ethan pringle and jonathon siegrist. these two have both climbed 5.15(realization). ethan also has been climbing el cap as of late, and is a local. siegrist already has time logged on the dawn wall, climbing with tommy up there a few years ago.

the second ascent will be way easier than the first. they won't have to rapell all over the place for years to find where the line goes like tommy did. they will have video of every hard move, the beta is already in place. they will know to climb in winter, and at night. tommy can coach them on how to warm up for 5.14+ while in a portaledge camp. it is still going to be way hard, but nothing like the effort the fa team put in

steve schneider, oakland, ca

eagle

Trad climber
new paltz, ny
Jan 24, 2015 - 10:59am PT
WHAT IF A CRUTIAL HOLD BROKE AND DEEMED THE CONTRIVED ROUTE IMPOSSIBLE
LIKE HARDING SAID...CLIMBING IS A WASTE OF TIME
McHale's Navy

Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
Jan 24, 2015 - 11:23am PT
I keep getting the sense that this route was not put up to repeat, but put up just to show it could be done. Now everybody can go back to their day jobs.
CF

climber
Jan 24, 2015 - 12:49pm PT
some one is up there today. they were on pitch 15 at 8am. couldnt tell if they made it through. by 11 they were below wino tower. looked like a photo shoot? someone kept rapping down then going up and the climbers were also going and coming down
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Jan 24, 2015 - 01:11pm PT
I saw a bit ago TC was there with a photog getting some shots in for rad marketing salez.
duncan

climber
London, UK
Oct 14, 2016 - 12:28am PT
Speculation may be ending fairly soon
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Oct 14, 2016 - 05:27am PT
The 'who's down' it' - they are coming to have a look,
they are going to go and LOOK
try a bit
then go have fun in the Great Ditch
They won't do it
Just won't
Will not spend the Time it takes
Will not Have the Ground and Wall crew that IT, The Dawn Wall, Takes
WOOT WOOT
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Oct 14, 2016 - 05:33am PT
As well Duncan, posted this above
Ive got to go yo!
Jury Duty?!HA HA all ARE INNocent compared to
Don't Name

Black Diamond Ambassador Adam Ondra admits that there’s one major hole in his climbing resume. “I’m a little ashamed that I haven’t been to Yosemite yet,” he told BD. But that’s about to change. Ondra rolled through our global headquarters in Salt Lake City on his way to the Valley and gave us the low-down on his Yosemite plans…


Image: Tommy Chandler
So you’re finally heading to Yosemite. Why now?

I’ve been thinking for years about going to Yosemite, and finally now is the right time. The last three years I was studying and I couldn’t really miss that much school in October and November, which is the season for the Valley. So, I just finished University and got my Bachelor’s Degree in Business Management, and I’m free and can go to Yosemite.

How long do you plan to spend in the Valley?

Well, definitely one month and a half… and then we’ll see how much I can climb.

Will you stay in Camp 4?

At least for certain periods, we will stay in Camp 4 to get the proper atmosphere. And when it gets cold, we’ll see.

Have you trained specifically for Yosemite?

Well, pretty much the only training that was Yosemite oriented was one day I went sandstone climbing in the Czech Republic and we climbed some offwidths, which was pretty cool. At first I sucked a lot, but by the last pitch, which was the hardest one, I found a little technique and was feeling more in control. For sure at the beginning I was using too much power.


Image: Chris Parker
Do you think your time spent climbing 5.15 granite sport routes in the Hanshelleren cave in Norway will translate to the walls of Yosemite?

No, not at all. I think it’s completely different. I don’t even think that the friction of the granite is very similar. The friction in Norway is just perfect. The friction in Yosemite and especially El Cap I imagine to be really slick with some sharp edges.

So, what are you psyched to try?

Well, the first serious route I’d like to try is the Nose (VI 5.14), and then the Salathé (VI 5.13b), and then the Dawn Wall (VI 5.14d). But for me, the really important route is the Salathé, and I’d like to try and onsight it in one day. So I think it would be wise to try something beforehand and the most classic route is the Nose, so why not?

Do you have any previous wall experience?

I’ve climbed multi-pitches in the Alps and Madagascar, but I don’t have that much experience with trad … like hand-jamming and finger-locking, but I hope I will learn.

Yuji Hirayama tried to onsight the Salathé in 1997. Did he give you any beta?

I did talk to Yuji [laughs]. He told me to do the headwall in two pitches, not one, and for an onsight it’s really tricky because you have to know where to extend the certain gear and stuff like this. And it would be bad to fail on my onsight due to rope-drag!


Image: Jan Novak
What would it mean to you to pull off the first onsight of El Cap?

I don’t really think about it that much. It’s just an amazing piece of rock and onsight is the best style… as long as you’re using ropes. It’s just obvious to go for such a legendary route onsight. But I’m definitely afraid of the Monster Offwidth.

Who are your climbing partners for this trip?

Well, we will see. The Nose I’m definitely going to climb with my Dad, and the other routes I think I’ll climb with a friend from the Czech Republic.

So you mentioned trying the Dawn Wall. What inspired you to attempt the world’s hardest big-wall?

The video by Big Up [Productions] “Progression.” Even before “Progression” was released, Brett Lowell was talking to me about this project. I was just super inspired and I loved it from the beginning. The style of climbing, the face climbing—you’re using a lot of thumbs and balancy moves—it didn’t look like your regular Yosemite climbing. Plus the consistency of the climb—you have to do so many hard pitches in a row. It’s so unique. You can’t find it anywhere else in the world.


Image: Tommy Chandler
What will be your strategy for the Dawn Wall?

We were considering how to start, whether just to go up and rappel and try the pitches from the top. But that could be frowned upon, so that’s why we decided to try to go ground up, at least to the crux pitches, and then if we have to, we’ll fix ropes, and work on the cruxes. And then go for the push.

Have you asked Tommy Caldwell for any beta?

I talked to Tommy a little bit. He gave me some tips, like where to set up base camp, the portaledges, where to fix the ropes, stuff like that. And about the shoes … that’s very crucial.

TC Pro’s?

I don’t know. I’ve never climbed with [La Sportiva] TC Pro’s but I just ordered them and tried them a little bit but I think it’s not a shoe for me. I’ll go with [La Sportiva] Katana Laces.

Do you think you’ll walk away with a send of the Dawn Wall?

I don’t want to be too ambitious since I’ve never been to Yosemite. I just want to try it. For me Yosemite is the only crag of historical importance where I haven’t been. That’s why I want to go there, and besides that, it looks so cool. Yosemite is radically different than anywhere else I’ve ever been and that’s why I want to go there. And if I was a little piece of the history, that would be cool, but let’s see…

—Adam Ondra

Stay tuned next week for an exclusive video of Ondra’s visit to SLC where he not only toured BD Headquarters but also cranked on some of the area’s most stout boulder problems.

nopantsben

climber
europe
Feb 16, 2017 - 10:56am PT
right up to post #79: funniest thread on Supertopo!
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Feb 16, 2017 - 11:20am PT
Well. We got that wrong.
G_Gnome

Trad climber
Cali
Feb 16, 2017 - 11:50am PT
Surprisingly some people actually got that quite right, including the second post in the thread.
MH2

Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
Feb 16, 2017 - 02:35pm PT
One of the more interesting and instructive threads on SuperTopo.
BASE104

Social climber
An Oil Field
Feb 16, 2017 - 02:38pm PT
Pretty funny, looking back, but who would have thought that Ondra would have thought it was a must-do?

I recall a recent report that most of the parties on El Cap were free climbers.

Times they are a changing. For the better. Yosemite is relevant again.
BigB

Trad climber
Red Rock
Feb 16, 2017 - 02:41pm PT
the real question is, when's it going to get its first red point?
nathanael

climber
CA
Feb 16, 2017 - 08:49pm PT
LOL funny thread. Duncan's got the crystal ball for sure. But really I guess you could have guessed that someone who can climb 15c and onsight 14d would not need 7 years to figure out a few pitches of 5.14.
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