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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Jan 12, 2015 - 09:23pm PT
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Warbler outraged:
The FFA of the Dawn Wall and that's it?? Arguably the most significant free climb in the world, certainly in America, with tons of super exposed high level climbing, photographers everywhere, and the world's most respected newspaper can't do better than that?
yet when I think of exposure in images, it turns out to be tricky to capture the feeling, to create a composition which reveals the exposure... and the revelation has to be accessible to people who haven't experienced it climbing.
So let's have your best!
I'll start, with every expectation of providing only a weak attempts.
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Gnome Ofthe Diabase
climber
Out Of Bed
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Jan 12, 2015 - 09:27pm PT
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feeling up down apoplexy . .vertigo...
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2015 - 09:32pm PT
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^^^how do you show it?
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Jan 12, 2015 - 09:35pm PT
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there are two climbers by the rock showing in the middle.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2015 - 09:40pm PT
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^^^not much different than what the NYTimes showed, an image of the WOEML and a scale "human" height, which looked not quite the size of a comma...
but that doesn't convey the sense of exposure that a climber feels, and that is the task.
There are a lot of images of climbing, some quite good ones, by people who post to STForum...
who's best conveys that feeling?
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Jan 12, 2015 - 09:46pm PT
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Avery
climber
NZ
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Jan 12, 2015 - 09:48pm PT
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 12, 2015 - 10:01pm PT
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until "paper" video displays exist and are cheap enough to incorporate into my morning NYTimes read, video isn't an option...
the art of photography is to capture the feeling in a 2D, static image...
this isn't an easy assignment.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Jan 12, 2015 - 10:05pm PT
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When trying to show exposure in photos I like to have minimal shrubbery, climber close to camera, and a crack or line that plunges down and away. Especially if I dont have an SLR with a shallow depth of field to give that "out there" vibe.
My friends who are non climbers seem to like this shot of me on CPofF.
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Jan 12, 2015 - 10:10pm PT
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It's an option.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Jan 12, 2015 - 10:13pm PT
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I'm also unashamedly a master of the camera-tilt.
This is 5.4 slab at Tollhouse Rock.....but it got 134 likes on Facebook and actually looks pretty cool if you ask me. I frame up slab shots at 90degrees and I leave out the horizon knowing I'll tilt them.
Shameless, I know, but the masses eat it up.
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Avery
climber
NZ
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Jan 12, 2015 - 10:22pm PT
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Jan 12, 2015 - 10:24pm PT
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Ok. Last one......nice topic Ed.
I love ridges. But when trying to convince the eyeball of exposure I do one of two things....
1. Small climber, bright jacket, big tall wall behind him
2. Climber three feet from camera, hands visible, feet visible (this is actually very important I have found and I often wait for it or make my poor partner slow down even if he's cruxing) ridge arcing away in distance.
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limpingcrab
Trad climber
the middle of CA
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Jan 12, 2015 - 10:33pm PT
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Seems like there are two consistent ways to show exposure:
# Tiny people with scale:
Or flipping the picture so that the air is under the climber:
Edit: Whatever Micronut says, the master of selfies!
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Jan 12, 2015 - 10:46pm PT
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 12, 2015 - 10:49pm PT
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Best I can think of.
Very cool assemblage of your photos, Doctor.
This may prove to be fun!
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Jan 12, 2015 - 11:39pm PT
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Those original Shield pics always made my balloon knot tighten.
I think this is from the Sutton/Burton ascent.
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jan 12, 2015 - 11:42pm PT
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superimposed
Trad climber
Chamonix
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Jan 13, 2015 - 12:02am PT
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Jan 13, 2015 - 12:07am PT
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hey there say, ed... avery... and all... wow! and wow again..
great stuff here...
wow and me, being 'feet on the ground' gal, well, these make me glad that i am ... :))
so, the pics are great!! they sure show something that i know i can't
handle, :))
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Bill Mc Kirgan
Trad climber
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
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Jan 13, 2015 - 03:48am PT
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Nice exposure photo shares everyone! What a good idea for a thread.
Thank you Ed!
Let me make a little contribution from my small but growing collection of climbing photos. While not close to a metric ton of exposure this shot is pretty good for Iowa in the springtime.
I waited and waited for the chance to take this photo of my friend, Dan. He is a good climber and this route is well within his ability, but you can see some emotion in the eyes as he goes for the clip.
In sum, I'm learning a face, eyes, hands, and a view of the consequences of failure can deliver an exciting picture.
Good color, and lighting are also important, and on this spring day the foliage plus the randomness of Dan's new rope, it's color and contrasting color of his shirt seem to make for an exciting image. Still, not quite a ton of exposure but enough to qualify I hope.
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wallyvirginia
Trad climber
Stockholm, Sweden
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Jan 13, 2015 - 04:34am PT
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Posted this before, in shoe shots thread. Decent exposure in southern Norway.
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Michael Hjorth
Trad climber
Copenhagen, Denmark
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Jan 13, 2015 - 06:55am PT
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Topping out on Mescalito - and untying a bit too early...!
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bob
climber
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Jan 13, 2015 - 07:06am PT
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matty
Trad climber
under the sea
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Jan 13, 2015 - 07:19am PT
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Jan 13, 2015 - 07:31am PT
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Fwoah! Michael Hjorth wins with that Mescalito Tiptoe up thread. Made me queasy.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Jan 13, 2015 - 07:40am PT
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Chugach
Trad climber
Vermont
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Jan 13, 2015 - 07:54am PT
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richross
Trad climber
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Jan 13, 2015 - 07:55am PT
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Jan 13, 2015 - 08:02am PT
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Jan 13, 2015 - 08:03am PT
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 13, 2015 - 08:06am PT
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LOL where do we get one of those?
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Batrock
Trad climber
Burbank
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Jan 13, 2015 - 08:20am PT
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WB,
We found it in a bargain bin it Oakhurst at the market. We just added a little tape.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2015 - 08:53am PT
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ß Î Ø T Ç H - exactly how I read it first time through, as a bit of rhetoric, but then I thought a bit more about the question: how would I compose an image that conveyed to the audience of the NYTimes that sense of exposure?
It's actually a very old challenge, the exhibition of paintings American Sublime; Landscape Painting in the United States 1820-1880 that toured in 2002, the catalog for that exhibition had to define "sublime" and it is a definition that climbers would know, quoting from Burke's Philosophical Enquiry into the Origin of our Ideas of the Sublime and Beauty:
"Whatever it is fitted in any sort to excite the ideas of pain and danger, that is to say, whatever it is in any sort terrible, or is conversant with terrible objects, or operates in a manner analogous to terror, is a source of the sublime; that is, it is productive of the strongest emotion which the mind is capable of feeling"
And it was the aim of those 19th century landscape painters to convey the sense of the sublime in their depictions of nature through landscapes.
In many ways climbing is still a 19th century affectation... though the current goings on in The Valley may be distinctly modern. So it is befitting that Warbler would insist, rightfully so, that the readers of the NYTimes be treated to depictions that capture that sense of sublime.
My first sense of that feeling was standing on the N. Ridge of Lone Pine looking out into the Owens Valley, the senses all confused by the airy vastness of the space and the solidity of the purchase, and the improbability of the setting.
How to capture that feeling in an image is what this thread is all about, thanks to Warbler for being rhetorical, we can riff off his complaint and try to make some art.
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WBraun
climber
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:00am PT
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I don't see any exposure here.
Those are all pictures and you have to imagine the exposure.
When you're out there doing it then it's real.
Here it's only imaginary ......
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:06am PT
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Werner is right, if you're in the tent there's no exposure...
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:07am PT
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ydpl8s
Trad climber
Santa Monica, California
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:10am PT
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These 3 are pretty good.
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rincon
Trad climber
Coarsegold
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:10am PT
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Fwoah! Michael Hjorth wins with that Mescalito Tiptoe up thread. Made me queasy.
+1 That was horrifying!!
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:13am PT
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A third class approach selfie
To get to this route:
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:16am PT
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Eastern style exposure, from the old Whitehorse Ledge thread.
Leslie on Wavelength
Jim Ewing and Jerry Dodrill on Last Unicorn.
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couchmaster
climber
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:30am PT
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Wow, that Mescalito top out pic makes me sweat too Micronut.
Yosemite cleanliness:
And some Oregon stuff.
Ben, in that photo upthere nearing the summit of the pinnacle, is just above this point below. Same climb, slightly lower. Top one shows the exposure better I guess.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:36am PT
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Parkline Slab:
Sun Ribbon Arete:
NEB Higher Cathedral Rock:
Something FAish in Black Velvet Canyon (Red Rocks):
Didn't put in any anchors, so here is right before the downclimb:
Le_bruce considers his meaty handjams to be his protection:
Edit: some more....
The first business section on Hawkman's Escape:
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Port
Trad climber
Norwalk, CT
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:37am PT
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Hey Ed, what's the route in your first photo?
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Texplorer
Trad climber
Sacramento
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:46am PT
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FA of unclimbed wall in Red Rock
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Guy Smiley
Trad climber
Fort Collins, CO
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Jan 13, 2015 - 10:09am PT
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baggenstos
Trad climber
san diego, ca
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Jan 13, 2015 - 10:19am PT
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jan 13, 2015 - 10:24am PT
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I was going to single out the Michael Hjorth photo as above-average horrifying, and looks like a handful of folks agree!
Guy smiley, that west overhang flatiron pic is pretty sweet.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jan 13, 2015 - 10:48am PT
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Halfway to the second bolt, best not to fall here...
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wallyvirginia
Trad climber
Stockholm, Sweden
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Jan 13, 2015 - 10:56am PT
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@NutAgain
Definitely! Especially with that huge pig on his back to mess up balance..
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Jan 13, 2015 - 11:15am PT
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Yeah, the spot he's in is bad enough without the pig. Makes me sweat, good thing it's not a video.
^^^ only half way?
The second bolt is up by that right facing flake. Then it's across to the arete. One of the best short climbs I've done.
Last I heard Vaino was in New Mexico or one of those states. Maybe in Co by now.
http://www.vainokodas.com/
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2015 - 11:50am PT
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my images:
1) Third Pillar of Dana
2) East Buttress of El Capitan
3) approach to the East Ridge of Bugaboo Spire
4) Bishop's Terrace
5) Runaway Emotion, new route on Reed's Pinnacle
6) sitting on a flake that is attached to Reed's Pinnacle cliff by the visible contact in that picture, and a bit of a corner on the other side
7) climber on Beyond Lunacy, Reed's Pinnacle
8) Moby Dick, Center, El Capitan
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macleodnc
Trad climber
ca
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Jan 13, 2015 - 12:01pm PT
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Denver, Colorado
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Jan 13, 2015 - 12:15pm PT
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The views looking down el Cap, particularly down the Nose, really make you feel like you're there.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2015 - 12:18pm PT
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I think Michael Hjorth comes closest so far... it would have been even closer had it been shot with a lens with about half the focal length, the wider field of view would have included more of the "edge" and the Valley floor...
also "tipping" the image would provide more of a sense of the "terror" for the viewer
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rgold
Trad climber
Poughkeepsie, NY
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Jan 13, 2015 - 12:47pm PT
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Matt Hale on Cerberus, Custer, SD. The Needles have "horizontal exposure;" sometimes the pinnacle curves away from you on both sides:
Stannard on the West Face of Sentinel:
Strictly from Nowhere, Gunks
Steve Molis on Dream of Wild Turkeys, Red Rocks:
Matt Hale on the summit of Arrowhead Arete:
Bouldering Exposure? Ray Schrag at Hagermeister's Boulders; Gill at the bottom.
RG on Dogstick Ridge, Gunks
Joe Bridges on Freedom Flight, Poko Moonshine:
Pete Ramins on the North Face of Bugaboo Spire:
John Bragg on Coexistence, Gunks
Joe Kelsey on Midsummer Dome, Wind Rivers
RG on Oblique Twique, Gunks
Cruise Control, Millbrook, Gunks
Last but not least of course would be High Exposure. RG solo:
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Denver, Colorado
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Jan 13, 2015 - 12:55pm PT
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+1 Freedom Flight, one of my all time favorites routes.
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Barney Rubble
Trad climber
ALAMEDA
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Jan 13, 2015 - 01:29pm PT
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Even Lee Vining can be exposed.
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hotlum
climber
Oregon
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Jan 13, 2015 - 01:32pm PT
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wayne w
Trad climber
the nw
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Jan 13, 2015 - 01:33pm PT
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Menlo Park
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Jan 13, 2015 - 01:43pm PT
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richross
Trad climber
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Jan 13, 2015 - 02:05pm PT
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Chugach
Trad climber
Vermont
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Jan 13, 2015 - 02:50pm PT
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Darwin
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 13, 2015 - 02:52pm PT
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BFK
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Jan 13, 2015 - 03:14pm PT
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LFT,... actually got vertigo at one point with the clouds moving so fast overhead felt like the whole tower was flying through space.
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matty
Trad climber
under the sea
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Jan 13, 2015 - 03:19pm PT
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Not my shot...but it pretty much tops IMO
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Michael Hjorth
Trad climber
Copenhagen, Denmark
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Jan 13, 2015 - 03:30pm PT
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Thnx a lot folks, for the nice words (and other nice shots).
The picture is of my Swedish partner on Mescalito in 1994, Magnus Nilsson.
He took this of me in a more safe situation:
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jan 13, 2015 - 04:20pm PT
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This from the Regan/Yeti Superbalance is pretty badass in terms of exposure:
or this in terms of exposed position and weather:
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jan 13, 2015 - 04:59pm PT
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You like picking challenging tasks Ed. I lean towards what Werner said. When you are out climbing you have a chance to experience sublime. What you see on these threads, or in newspapers is just an image. I can look at all these all day but unless it is an image that reminds me of an experience, there will be nothing sublime about it, empty exposure. It is relative though. Some people get pleasure from going to galleries and looking at photos etc. People are different.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 13, 2015 - 06:15pm PT
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challenging in that I will try to make an image with more deliberation next time I want to capture the exposure...
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MH2
Boulder climber
Andy Cairns
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Jan 13, 2015 - 06:24pm PT
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Here it's only imaginary ......
One reason the Mescalito exit photo is good is it gives room for the imagination. Imagination is where the real scary stuff is.
Not on the rock.
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Yafer
Trad climber
Chatsworth, California
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Jan 13, 2015 - 06:40pm PT
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Jan 13, 2015 - 06:58pm PT
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:06pm PT
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For sublime, I kind of like this photo, a lot. My friend and partner Alix at the belay on one of the top pitches of the Nose. Shows excitement and exposure quite well.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Mountain climber
Old and Broken Down in Appalachia
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Jan 13, 2015 - 09:41pm PT
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cleo
Social climber
wherever you go, there you are
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Jan 13, 2015 - 11:09pm PT
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Lost Arrow Spire is a good way to convey exposure - due to the unique perspective and the presence of identifiable features (river, cars) in the background?
Check out those cars!
Foot's eye view?
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perswig
climber
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Jan 14, 2015 - 04:02am PT
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Good thread, Dr. H, drawing out excellent content.
Hard to separate 'perspective' from 'exposure'; pretty sure I lean toward the former in my (subconscious) photo framing.
(companion to Chiloe's pic)
Dale
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martygarrison
Trad climber
Washington DC
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Jan 14, 2015 - 04:39am PT
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Jan 14, 2015 - 08:13am PT
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Smaller scale exposure:
A little tilt helping with this one:
And stupid college tricks, buildering:
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this just in
climber
Justin Ross from North Fork
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Jan 14, 2015 - 09:37am PT
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The live footage right now is exposed. Chimney no hands rest on an overhanging corner...
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ClimberDave
Trad climber
The LBC, CA
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Jan 14, 2015 - 10:13am PT
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A little 3rd and 4th class on Junction peak, eastern sierra.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Jan 14, 2015 - 03:44pm PT
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What does it take? To capture more than the climber audience it needs to be just the right juxtaposition of things.
If it looks too "easy" no matter if it is thousands of feet of hard ass climbing even a non climber will be nonplussed. What's needed is a combo of really hands on scary that the ordinary person can some what relate to taken in a position that pulls the viewing audience into the climb itself. Like the opening scene in Cliffhanger.
Totally separate from these comments, the following picture.
Not the greatest photo. My feeling is it's super difficult for even the best photographer to capture air exposure that transcends to the true feeling of what is happening.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Sport climber
moving thru
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Jan 14, 2015 - 05:44pm PT
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A fun climb....Headstone Arete, Joshua Tree.
Not a difficult climb and definitely a fun one. Just a little exposure for newbies.
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Jan 14, 2015 - 06:08pm PT
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Jan 14, 2015 - 06:12pm PT
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gstock
climber
Yosemite Valley
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Jan 14, 2015 - 06:25pm PT
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richross
Trad climber
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Jan 14, 2015 - 06:44pm PT
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wayne w
Trad climber
the nw
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Jan 16, 2015 - 01:36am PT
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Mungeclimber
Trad climber
Nothing creative to say
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Jan 16, 2015 - 09:37am PT
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Ojai Alex, that rock looks like shizen! Cobbles? Pinnacles-esque! Sweet
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Da-Veed
Big Wall climber
Bigfork
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Jan 16, 2015 - 09:51am PT
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Hauling on the Leaning Tower.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jan 16, 2015 - 10:02am PT
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Mr E, don't raise yer hands above yer shoulders,
it just raises yer center of gravity. Jess sayin'. ;-)
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PAUL SOUZA
Trad climber
Central Valley, CA
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Jan 16, 2015 - 10:41am PT
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Please include route names with your photos pleeeeeease! Mmmmkay? Thanks! :)
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jan 16, 2015 - 12:40pm PT
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Excalibur
I think you can figure this one out.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Jan 16, 2015 - 02:19pm PT
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Da-veed got a good one, I especially like the shadow of the ropes and climber...
and ECIYA's is pretty good too...
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snowhazed
Trad climber
Oaksterdam, CA
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Jan 16, 2015 - 02:41pm PT
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exposure makes me feel warm and fuzzy. these photos also make me feel warm and fuzzy. not the same neurological pathways per se, but I like this thread regardless!
Partner in the shot can help convey scale
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Jan 16, 2015 - 02:43pm PT
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Great shots!
Here's a lame one:
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MisterE
Gym climber
Bishop, CA
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Jan 16, 2015 - 04:21pm PT
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This traverse of part of the ridge of the Southern Pickets to get to the col rappel was loaded with exposure!
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mouse from merced
Trad climber
The finger of fate, my friends, is fickle.
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Jan 16, 2015 - 07:59pm PT
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A certain well-trod stairway to the higher realms, an adventure pathway so alluring, so addicting, that it's humble setting belies its ability to kill you if you are careless or off-route.
Join us in yet another excursion into a place where most of us have gone when we were n00bish, and come back in slack-jawed awe after our first journey, and to which we return each time we tie in.
Many reach this spot, only to turn around and go back down, back the way they came.
You, my friend, and I, your friend, have entered The Sunnyside Zone.
Please tie in for form's sake.
On belay.
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hellroaring
Trad climber
San Francisco
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Jan 16, 2015 - 10:50pm PT
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Enty
Trad climber
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Jan 17, 2015 - 02:46am PT
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Teo
Social climber
CA
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Jan 22, 2015 - 10:19am PT
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okay its only the nose but plenty o space
pitch 28 (looking belayer is at the top of Changing Corners)
pitch 31, just turning the corner off the bolt latter
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Gus
Trad climber
Venice, Cali
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Jan 22, 2015 - 11:04am PT
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feynman
Trad climber
chossberta
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Jan 24, 2015 - 01:38pm PT
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Loose blocks are like loose morales - they expose more.
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NASH
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Jan 24, 2015 - 01:46pm PT
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NASH
Trad climber
San Francisco, CA
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Jan 24, 2015 - 02:09pm PT
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I know its only Pinnacles NP, but David really captured the beauty of Photographers Delight.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 24, 2015 - 06:25pm PT
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Recent faves!
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Jan 24, 2015 - 06:28pm PT
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Old skool.
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