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graniteclimber

Trad climber

The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division

Oct 30, 2014 - 05:46pm PT

The 10 day rule was originally suggested by John Mittendorf (although he didn't set the exact number of days himself) and has been in place for many years now. It is a good rule and Chris should keep it.

How often have we seen someone have a public meltdown and announce they are leaving and will delete all their posts? They usually change their minds and come back, but if we let them delete all their posts from the beginning of time, historical threads would be chopped up.

Clint Cummins

Trad climber

SF Bay area, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2014 - 05:48pm PT

DMT,

Blah blah BLAH BLAH!
When you are paying me for content you get to decide. Not until.
Bottom line.

I know you feel this way, but:

WHY?

Is it because you are a professional writer,
and you are accustomed to compensation for your writing?

Writing an article is a different thing from
having a written discussion with other people.
My reply depends on the text in your post.
I could quote a copy of your text if I think you might delete your post.
But it's simpler if people just leave all posts in place.

And why have you accepted posting to this forum when the operating
conditions do not allow you to edit or delete posts after 10 days?
(except at present if it is the first post in a thread)

clinker

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, California

Oct 30, 2014 - 07:26pm PT

Free for all content with a 24 hour edit window for both threads and posts. Then they are forever.
No deleting threads or content that the rest of us have participated in.

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujò de la Playa

Oct 30, 2014 - 07:55pm PT

With over 2 million posts, the search function is woefully inadequate. If enhancement is ever seriously contemplated I would be happy to provide a list of nice features.

Jingy

climber

Somewhere out there

Oct 30, 2014 - 08:19pm PT

If you really wanted to do some weeding, you could turn the forum into a pay to play gig.
The more members signed in and paying the lower the costs for all...
This would do a lot to limit to voices of those we find most repulsive to our tastes.

thebravecowboy

climber

hold on tight boys

Oct 30, 2014 - 08:32pm PT

You're giving it up though, Dingus, legs in the air.

*Not sayin' yer sh#t ain't great

thebravecowboy

climber

hold on tight boys

Oct 30, 2014 - 08:33pm PT

Is money really being lost by the drunk sh!t one posts here?

Edit: profit, not money

coolrockclimberguy69

climber

Oct 30, 2014 - 08:36pm PT

if i had a nickle for every drunken shitpost i made i'd have enough for about ten feet of webbing

clinker

Trad climber

Santa Cruz, California

Oct 30, 2014 - 08:38pm PT

I do not cede copyrights to the user base here. Period

Then keep quiet. .

Daphne

Trad climber

Northern California

Oct 30, 2014 - 08:42pm PT

DMT, please never leave. Every so often I go find your piece on the magnificent passing move on the 108/120. And I never go past that place without thinking about you.

thebravecowboy

climber

hold on tight boys

Oct 30, 2014 - 08:44pm PT

them problems above stated aside, I concur with the gentleman from the small backwater state of California:

I do not cede copyrights to the user base here. Period.

DMT

+1.

I do not cede copyright to my posted material, be it written or visual, to users, nor to administrators. I do, though, recognize that all posted material may be readily stolen. Yay Internetz!

zBrown

Ice climber

Brujò de la Playa

Oct 30, 2014 - 08:45pm PT

Prove it.

Disprove it.

Proof read it.

-Pythagoruz

Clint Cummins

Trad climber

SF Bay area, CA

Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2014 - 08:52pm PT

DMT,
I agree that the Terms let you retain copyright of material you post.

However, they do not promise to delete your material at your request:

5. General Practices Regarding Use and Storage
You agree that SuperTopo has no responsibility or liability for the deletion of, or the failure to store or to transmit, any Content and other communications maintained by the Service.

I might be misinterpreting the above quote,
but I don't see anywhere in the Terms where they promise to delete your material at your request.
Especially extending that to any quotes of your material....

nah000

climber

canuckistan

Oct 30, 2014 - 09:14pm PT

i'm kind of blown away, DMT, by your characterization of what a copyright affords you.

The Taco terms of service make it clear that copyrights are respected. I have copyright on my posts.

true. but the tos also says you've given st "a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to reproduce, publish and distribute such content"

while you might have a gentleman's agreement with cmac, there is nothing that i can see that would require st to remove your posts once published/posted. and as Clint just pointed out in the previous post, it is made explicit that st has no responsibility nor liability to delete.

"I do not cede copyrights to the user base here. Period."

someone who publishes a book doesn't cede their copyright of the content to the reader either. they do however license a publisher to print it in a book and according to the terms of the agreement distribute said book with agreement appropriate compensation.

in this case the license is to supertopo and is royalty free and without any specified geographic or temporal limits.

you can tell yourself whatever you want about what cmac should or would do: afaik, there is no legal precedent and nothing explicit in the toc that guarantees what you are saying.

if i'm wrong, i'd appreciate if someone explicitly pointed me to the foundation of this "right of electronic deletion" that having copyright affords someone...

thebravecowboy

climber

walking, resin-stained, towards the goal

Oct 30, 2014 - 09:18pm PT

I dig. Dingus, I side with you on this. I contribute my stuff. I retain the right to pull my stuff. 'Nuff said.

thebravecowboy

climber

walking, resin-stained, towards the goal

Oct 30, 2014 - 09:23pm PT

academicians have a word for it other than lamitude, like Confucius say:

"make whore of self, not have self to sell. end up emptier than empty" receptacle of receptacle lead to sexist analogy for your self.

thebravecowboy

climber

walking, resin-stained, towards the goal

Oct 30, 2014 - 09:25pm PT

So, wait a minute. I am starting to feel the butthurt. Is my ability to yank my (visual) postings in question?

nah000

climber

canuckistan

Oct 30, 2014 - 09:31pm PT

got it now: it's a mafioso styled contract... DMT, you're probably one of a very very few posters who has the built up legacy of respected contribution and seniority to plausibly successfully demand [rather than request] such a thing...

while i disagree with your position, it's an interesting one, as it's something that hasn't been generally philosophically or legally resolved...

ie. who gets to control what the internet does and doesn't "forget"?

Braunini

Big Wall climber

cupertino

Oct 30, 2014 - 09:58pm PT

"So if we're now paid to post, say, 1cent per post, then if a person has 25,000 posts then if Im doing the math correctly Admin now owes you 25,000 cents"...

;-)

this could turn into a profitable gig for you bro!