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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Topic Author's Original Post - Oct 29, 2014 - 10:27pm PT
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I was going to bump an old thread with this topic,
but after khanom was expunged (banned with all his posts unviewable),
it is locked.
So I'll start the new version.
Link to original thread:
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/977080/New-New-FORUM-thoughts-and-suggestions-for-Cmac-RJ
I'll repeat my suggestions from June 19, 2014:
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Some ideas which should help improve quality of posts:
 don't allow deleting a post (OK to edit it to remove all text, though)
[this means all posts are visible at some level, and also prevents
thread deletion - people should only be allowed to edit their own posts
and not make other people's posts invisible or hard to find]
if a post is edited, add a time stamp (when it was edited)
[shows if a person changed their post]
in left column for a post, under "climber type" and "location", add date joined, and combined number of posts and TRs
[makes it easier to identify the "fresh alts" and also the "old pros"]
allow editing of thread title (once) to fix typos
[if editing posts is a good thing, so is editing titles]
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And add one new suggestion:
do not expunge users who have made positive contributions. Just ban them in the old way - disable their ability to post or edit.
[I have to wonder if this "expunge" style ban is the legacy of Matt Gilchrist?
A ban should be a "timeout" for current bad behavior,
not a retroactive attempt to forget everything the person ever contributed.]
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Vitaliy M.
Mountain climber
San Francisco
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Oct 29, 2014 - 10:44pm PT
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Allow back Matt Gilchrist.
Ban Dodger fans.
Send me free gear.
Don't read personal PMs!!!
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Big Mike
Trad climber
BC
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Oct 29, 2014 - 10:46pm PT
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Paginate my huge tr please!
:)
Edit: I should say, If you could please paginate my TR RJ, that would be lovely. Thanks for all your hard work here.
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Oct 30, 2014 - 12:02am PT
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Once the guards caved on reading mail the inmates ruled the asylum.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Oct 30, 2014 - 12:28am PT
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do not expunge users who have made positive contributions. Just ban them in the old way - disable their ability to post or edit.
[I have to wonder if this "expunge" style ban is the legacy of Matt Gilchrist?
A ban should be a "timeout" for current bad behavior,
not a retroactive attempt to forget everything the person ever contributed.]
Word!
Remember why posters cannot edit posts that are more than 10 days old. This was to prevent people from deleting all their posts and chopping up threads. The history is here: http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2518874&msg=2519055#msg2519055
One silver lining from what's been happening is that one thing led to another and I spent the morning looking through historical threads. It was a productive and enjoyable use of my time and I intend to do this more often. Most of older threads are well under 300 posts, and some are as short as 15. Many, many treasures there. http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=2518874&msg=2518874#msg2518874
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Travis Haussener
Trad climber
Salt Lake City
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Oct 30, 2014 - 07:22am PT
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And once in a while feature my TR's on the monthly email.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Oct 30, 2014 - 07:23am PT
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Allow back Matt Gilchrist.
Really?
Then allow The Hawk back on too!
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Port
Trad climber
Norwalk, CT
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Oct 30, 2014 - 07:30am PT
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A "like" button that bumps threads to the top.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:00am PT
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I agree that there are certain modifications that would really improve this forum. I like a lot of what Clint suggests, with DMTs observation.
It would be great to have a Like button so really good threads don't disappear into the bowels. There are amazing threads that have been posted over the years, and it's too difficult to revive them after they disappear of the top couple of pages. Some great threads get buried even after a week.
As for a code monkey, I'm sure the talent could be found, for free, if the bosses decided it was in their interest.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:29am PT
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I no longer feel that it matters.
Not to mention, what I can say could be said so much better by the more scholarly among you.
Nothing is wrong, everything is normal, this is just the way it is, some things will never change. Talk amongst yourselves.
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couchmaster
climber
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:35am PT
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Re: Dongus suggestion upthread. I'd be fine with people being able to delete a post of a thread they started, as long as it didn't kill the thread and effectively erase everyones posts.
I know this has been suggested, but segmenting things into forums via interest is still of interest to me. Historical threads seem to just walk off the front page. Perhaps it could be coupled with folks being able to vote on the threads they like or posters words somehow? (kmans "like" button above)
Anyway, thanks for the site, I know it's probably a lot like herding cats for you at times:-)
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RP3
Big Wall climber
Twain Harte
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Oct 30, 2014 - 09:00am PT
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Clint brings up some fantastic ideas.
I wholeheartedly agree with not deleting a person's posts once they have been banned. The forum has lost some of its best historical threads and ethical debates as a result of this.
Thanks you Chris and RJ for the work that you do.
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phylp
Trad climber
Upland, CA
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Oct 30, 2014 - 09:02am PT
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Thank you Clint.
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guido
Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
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Oct 30, 2014 - 10:18am PT
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Always such a rational and contributing person on ST. Clint for President!
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Oct 30, 2014 - 10:23am PT
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Allow you to turn photos after they have uploaded.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Oct 30, 2014 - 10:53am PT
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another one of these threads
predicted majority response: AAHHHH DON'T CHANGE OR IMPROVE ANYTHING
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Steve Grossman
Trad climber
Seattle, WA
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Oct 30, 2014 - 11:08am PT
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Keep the emphasis on climbing.
Don't post in a way that chases folks away from this forum as this is a made possible by free and open participation supporting business activity.
Keep it entertaining and civil.
If you get warned about your posting style or behavior do the work necessary to correct the problem at the source.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Oct 30, 2014 - 11:13am PT
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Free camping in Tuolumne meadows if you post more than 30 times a month.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Oct 30, 2014 - 11:13am PT
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Allow breasts. Unless they are Locker's and then make him put a shirt on.
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snarky
climber
Hoisington
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Oct 30, 2014 - 11:19am PT
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Bring back Fattrad and the boob thread (at the same time).
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Paul Martzen
Trad climber
Fresno
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Oct 30, 2014 - 11:50am PT
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Put a low quota on posts per day. In the range of one to 4 posts per day. With a quota of one post per day, you could only post one insult or offhand comment per day. The very high ratio of insults to trip reports might be much reduced.
With no quota, those who put the least amount of energy and thought into their posts have a huge bumping advantage over those who do put time and thought into their posts.
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snarky
climber
Hoisington
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Oct 30, 2014 - 12:01pm PT
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^^^^ Nails it! (With the exception that all registered Republicans have access to edit any whiney liberal's posts.)
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Oct 30, 2014 - 12:22pm PT
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Fuk the idea of minimalizing post counts...
The place is fine as it is and pretty much always has been...
lol
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2014 - 12:25pm PT
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DMT,
Please don't remove the users right and ability to delete her own material. Erasing text is not the same. Why should a person be able to delete their thread from the index and:
make other people's posts hard to find
lock the thread
I feel that if a person chooses to post, they should understand that the
thread will be there permanently.
And that the text in their posts will be there permanently after the 10 day edit window.
It encourages a "think before you post" attitude, which I believe is a good thing.
Some forums have no edit button at all. Everything that goes in is
permanent.
Emphatically disagree with the 'we own your post' mentality. Supposed ownership has nothing to do with my reasons above.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
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Vitaliy,
Don't read personal PMs!!! I think you were mostly joking, but maybe serious about this one.
But I think RJ had a good explanation of at least one reason that
admin access to the emails originating from the web form here can
be a good thing.
It is when a person is using those emails to threaten another user.
I agree, though, we usually feel emails are a "private communication"
and should not be read by people other than the recipient.
And not quoted in public by the recipient without permission.
But once something is put into writing, we know there is some chance
it may be used in a way we didn't intend.
So we try to be cautious about putting very sensitive things into
writing, correct?
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Oct 30, 2014 - 12:31pm PT
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Because that's how the forum software is coded, silly.
if only we lived in a world where we could fix such things
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2014 - 12:34pm PT
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mike m,
Allow you to turn photos after they have uploaded. Excellent idea. I have seen this problem stop people from posting photos.
In the EXIF data in a photo .JPG file, there is a flag to rotate the photo for display.
Just read this flag when uploading a photo, and then the user does not even have to check and do a second step to rotate it.
Also:
When using the [Photo] button to insert a photo you have previously uploaded (or are uploading currently, which has not worked for me), move the cursor past the ]. Right now, the cursor is at:
[photo|id=number]. This means that when a person tries to insert a second photo without moving the cursor by hand, it corrupts the previous photo reference. This happens on a regular basis. Poor implementation.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2014 - 12:40pm PT
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a person should be able to delete her own posts. I don't give a crap about 'thread integrity.' A person owns her own posts. In my view, a person "owns" (controls) the text of their post, for a 10 day edit window.
Once they offer that text to the public, it's public.
They should not be able to hide the fact that they made a post at a given date/time, even if they choose to delete its text.
They do not own the thread they start.
They should not be able to control / moderate the posts of others.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Oct 30, 2014 - 12:45pm PT
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Nothing is wrong, everything is normal, this is just the way it is, some things will never change. Talk amongst yourselves.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 30, 2014 - 12:46pm PT
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Thanks, Clint, but most of all, Thank you, Super Topo, Cmac, RJ and all who allow us such wonderful entertainment on this site.
I understand and support restrictions on using this site to compete with ST, or disabling those whose abusive conduct poses either a threat to the owners (e.g. vilent threats, porn (this can get a website in trouble if the site is unrestricted, but the content should be, for instance, age-restricted [but don't get me going on how we came up with the euphemism "adult entertainment"], and this can alos create a hostile environment for, particularly on this site, women), or an affront to "normal" climbers who frequent this site, or, for example, SPAM.
I do, however, feel that the "individual erasure" sanction has made us poorer by its overapplication. Our loss of Eric, Craig, Coz, Jeff and even Lois and Joe (Hedge) has caused us to lose many worthwhile posts that casued me, at least, to think in intellectually stimulating ways. Besides, these were all people we know, not hiddlen, anonymous, cowardly posters.
Even with that gripe, though, I find the patience of the ST propieotors with our anarchic presence amazing. Sure, we all have suggestions for changes we'd like to see, and I'm sure we all take issue with something here, but when I see posts asking for "alternatives" to ST, I wonder if we've bathed ourselves in fantasy.
John
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Oct 30, 2014 - 12:55pm PT
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Strongly agree with the OP. Great suggestions.
Also, people signing up for the forum should agree to terms and conditions that their comments are property of the forum, with credits due but no compensation for use in future products for sale. Same with photos but only in context that they are credited and that it was posted in this forum.
This may not hold up in court, but it would be fair. You have costs providing this forum and you deserve the right to exploit it.
I suppose in 1999 when you learned the formula; content, commerce, community, that the community would become such a force of nature and a force of history. It has been a valuable lesson.
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Oct 30, 2014 - 02:07pm PT
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DMT wrote: "a person should be able to delete her own posts. I don't give a crap about 'thread integrity.' A person owns her own posts."
emphatically disagree with this. if i send a person a letter, can i demand that they send it back? if we are in conversation do i have to pretend to have not heard something if a person decides they don't like what they said? if i publish in a magazine, can i go around and demand that everybody cut out the portions i wrote if i decide i'm no longer happy with what i wrote? what if i quote someone else's post just like i did above: do i have to remove that if DMT decides he wants it deleted?
being able to edit and delete for the two or so week window that now exists is a great compromise. after that, as with any public conversation, a post can [and imo should] become a part of a record that the original poster no longer has the ability to retract. [all that said, i think another positive compromise might be to allow a person to, in perpetuity, take their name off a post, while leaving the content itself intact...]
i'm not saying that site ownership "owns" our posts and should be able to take another persons words and sell or use them directly in a different application. ie. i'm fine with the idea of the original poster continuing to "own" their words and the rights to further distribution. i just don't think a person has a right to contribute to a conversation and then three years later decide that they want them back and can therefore retract our ability to read what was previously freely contributed to a specific arena.
it seems to me, if you don't want a record of your words in a public arena, you shouldn't post to a public arena.
furthermore, in this case, giving specific rights to the continued use of our words to the site owners, is what we trade in exchange for access to the structure of a "free", conversationally-based, and public soapbox...
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Oct 30, 2014 - 03:26pm PT
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How can we improve SuperTopo? Got feedback?
Let us know! (bottom of page)
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Oct 30, 2014 - 03:28pm PT
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More boobs.
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Avery
climber
NZ
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Oct 30, 2014 - 03:31pm PT
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"a person should be able to delete her own posts. I don't give a crap about 'thread integrity.' A person owns her own posts."
100% correct.
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Lorenzo
Trad climber
Oregon
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Oct 30, 2014 - 03:34pm PT
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More boobs.
Yours just aren't all that interesting.
But OK, here ya go
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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Oct 30, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
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a person should be able to delete her own posts. I don't give a crap about 'thread integrity.' A person owns her own posts.
agree, that is the way it should be.
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Oct 30, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
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DMT wrote: "Blah blah BLAH BLAH! When you are paying me for content you get to decide. Not until."
hahaha. sorry for not sticking to 140 char's for ya.
who's paying for the soapbox we all pontificate from? you don't think you receive anything in return for your content, eh?
your words on your own website: unequivocally yours.
your words on cmac's website: "By submitting, posting or displaying Content on or through SuperTopo services which are intended to be available to the members of the public, you grant SuperTopo a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to reproduce, publish and distribute such Content on the Service for the purpose of displaying and distributing SuperTopo services."
i'm not seeing anything in there that says the license given to supertopo, that we all agree to by posting, is necessarily retractable at the whim of the poster...
which is, as it should be on a private service that you don't own and are of your own volition giving content to for "free."
bottom line: the day you pay for the forum structure and set your own t+c's is the day you can necessarily pull your own posts at whim. good luck finding the same audience and conversation on dmt.com
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Psilocyborg
climber
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Oct 30, 2014 - 04:41pm PT
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Lets unionize and go on strike until they meet our demands. I nominate ron to be our Representative. We should get a piece of the millions of dollars of ad revenue generated by our hard work.
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Oct 30, 2014 - 05:16pm PT
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as always, to you as well DMT...
for del cross [who since deleted his post] and those who don't think i was taking a position on how it "should be"... here's your sound bite:
st's value and vitality is found in its finding a balance between being an aggregation of content and being an aggregator of content.
giving posters the ability to indefinitely "take all of their toys home" ruins continuity and tilts the balance too far away from st being valuable as an aggregation, leaving instead a giant public messaging board with little residual value.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Oct 30, 2014 - 05:46pm PT
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The 10 day rule was originally suggested by John Mittendorf (although he didn't set the exact number of days himself) and has been in place for many years now. It is a good rule and Chris should keep it.
How often have we seen someone have a public meltdown and announce they are leaving and will delete all their posts? They usually change their minds and come back, but if we let them delete all their posts from the beginning of time, historical threads would be chopped up.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2014 - 05:48pm PT
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DMT,
Blah blah BLAH BLAH!
When you are paying me for content you get to decide. Not until.
Bottom line.
I know you feel this way, but:
WHY?
Is it because you are a professional writer,
and you are accustomed to compensation for your writing?
Writing an article is a different thing from
having a written discussion with other people.
My reply depends on the text in your post.
I could quote a copy of your text if I think you might delete your post.
But it's simpler if people just leave all posts in place.
And why have you accepted posting to this forum when the operating
conditions do not allow you to edit or delete posts after 10 days?
(except at present if it is the first post in a thread)
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Oct 30, 2014 - 07:26pm PT
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Free for all content with a 24 hour edit window for both threads and posts. Then they are forever.
No deleting threads or content that the rest of us have participated in.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 30, 2014 - 07:55pm PT
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With over 2 million posts, the search function is woefully inadequate. If enhancement is ever seriously contemplated I would be happy to provide a list of nice features.
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Jingy
climber
Somewhere out there
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:19pm PT
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If you really wanted to do some weeding, you could turn the forum into a pay to play gig.
The more members signed in and paying the lower the costs for all...
This would do a lot to limit to voices of those we find most repulsive to our tastes.
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thebravecowboy
climber
hold on tight boys
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:32pm PT
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You're giving it up though, Dingus, legs in the air.
*Not sayin' yer sh#t ain't great
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thebravecowboy
climber
hold on tight boys
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:33pm PT
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Is money really being lost by the drunk sh!t one posts here?
Edit: profit, not money
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coolrockclimberguy69
climber
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:36pm PT
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if i had a nickle for every drunken shitpost i made i'd have enough for about ten feet of webbing
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:38pm PT
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I do not cede copyrights to the user base here. Period
Then keep quiet. .
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Daphne
Trad climber
Northern California
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:42pm PT
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DMT, please never leave. Every so often I go find your piece on the magnificent passing move on the 108/120. And I never go past that place without thinking about you.
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thebravecowboy
climber
hold on tight boys
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:44pm PT
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them problems above stated aside, I concur with the gentleman from the small backwater state of California:
I do not cede copyrights to the user base here. Period.
DMT
+1.
I do not cede copyright to my posted material, be it written or visual, to users, nor to administrators. I do, though, recognize that all posted material may be readily stolen. Yay Internetz!
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Oct 30, 2014 - 08:45pm PT
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Prove it.
Disprove it.
Proof read it.
-Pythagoruz
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2014 - 08:52pm PT
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DMT,
I agree that the Terms let you retain copyright of material you post.
However, they do not promise to delete your material at your request:
5. General Practices Regarding Use and Storage
You agree that SuperTopo has no responsibility or liability for the deletion of, or the failure to store or to transmit, any Content and other communications maintained by the Service. I might be misinterpreting the above quote,
but I don't see anywhere in the Terms where they promise to delete your material at your request.
Especially extending that to any quotes of your material....
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Oct 30, 2014 - 09:14pm PT
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i'm kind of blown away, DMT, by your characterization of what a copyright affords you.
The Taco terms of service make it clear that copyrights are respected. I have copyright on my posts.
true. but the tos also says you've given st "a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to reproduce, publish and distribute such content"
while you might have a gentleman's agreement with cmac, there is nothing that i can see that would require st to remove your posts once published/posted. and as Clint just pointed out in the previous post, it is made explicit that st has no responsibility nor liability to delete.
"I do not cede copyrights to the user base here. Period."
someone who publishes a book doesn't cede their copyright of the content to the reader either. they do however license a publisher to print it in a book and according to the terms of the agreement distribute said book with agreement appropriate compensation.
in this case the license is to supertopo and is royalty free and without any specified geographic or temporal limits.
you can tell yourself whatever you want about what cmac should or would do: afaik, there is no legal precedent and nothing explicit in the toc that guarantees what you are saying.
if i'm wrong, i'd appreciate if someone explicitly pointed me to the foundation of this "right of electronic deletion" that having copyright affords someone...
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thebravecowboy
climber
walking, resin-stained, towards the goal
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Oct 30, 2014 - 09:18pm PT
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I dig. Dingus, I side with you on this. I contribute my stuff. I retain the right to pull my stuff. 'Nuff said.
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thebravecowboy
climber
walking, resin-stained, towards the goal
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Oct 30, 2014 - 09:23pm PT
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academicians have a word for it other than lamitude, like Confucius say:
"make whore of self, not have self to sell. end up emptier than empty" receptacle of receptacle lead to sexist analogy for your self.
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thebravecowboy
climber
walking, resin-stained, towards the goal
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Oct 30, 2014 - 09:25pm PT
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So, wait a minute. I am starting to feel the butthurt. Is my ability to yank my (visual) postings in question?
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Oct 30, 2014 - 09:31pm PT
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got it now: it's a mafioso styled contract... DMT, you're probably one of a very very few posters who has the built up legacy of respected contribution and seniority to plausibly successfully demand [rather than request] such a thing...
while i disagree with your position, it's an interesting one, as it's something that hasn't been generally philosophically or legally resolved...
ie. who gets to control what the internet does and doesn't "forget"?
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Oct 30, 2014 - 09:58pm PT
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"So if we're now paid to post, say, 1cent per post, then if a person has 25,000 posts then if Im doing the math correctly Admin now owes you 25,000 cents"...
;-)
this could turn into a profitable gig for you bro!
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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Oct 30, 2014 - 10:12pm PT
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You guys deserve to get a beer pong table in the SuperTopo moderator's lounge. And a dart board.
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Chief
climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
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Oct 30, 2014 - 10:27pm PT
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I like Clint's contributions, this one included and am often left wondering why CMac and his pals run this rig.
Charity?
Profit?
An attempt at free speech?
Masochistic delight?
Wouldn't be surprised if ST just disappeared.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Oct 30, 2014 - 10:37pm PT
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Maybe you are pissed that your friend got booted, but don't make it any worse for the rest of us that still want to hang out here.
Over the years we've seen alot of great voices silenced just because somebody complained to admin.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2014 - 11:14pm PT
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DMT,
I never said a word about deleting your posts, only mine. I said nothing at all about deleting quoted text. You didn't explicitly say "quoted text".
But you did not say "nothing at all about ... quoted text."
You want the ability to delete your "material".
Your material really consists of the text (and photos, videos) you have written and posted.
This material exists not just in your own posts, but also quoted/reposted by others.
But I agree with your view that the volume of such quoted material is trivial; not worth caring about.
If that option to "expunge self by request" is important to you, that's your choice of course.
I don't think that option should exist, because it can destroy thread context, and it is a relatively recently implemented tool which most of
us did not expect to see used.
Decisions to post (or not) are based on expectations of who might see the post and how they might benefit.
I believe context permanence is fundamental to a discussion forum.
You seem more interested in your own material somehow independent of context?
P.S. I don't just think about your old 120 "Bridge Pass!" post here,
I'm usually doing that bridge pass (westbound at night)!
(I witnessed the bridge pass years before you posted,
but it's a very worthy post in my view).
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Chief
climber
The NW edge of The Hudson Bay
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Oct 30, 2014 - 11:19pm PT
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There are valid reasons for not deleting some threads.
On the other hand, if an attempt at civil discourse gets dragged into the mud, I'll ditch it in a heartbeat.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 30, 2014 - 11:24pm PT
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Yeah, I have seen the "single thread delete from index" option is used by some people
because there are no regular moderators to "lock" a thread if it gets abusive.
My own preference is to not care if it gets abusive.
But I know it bothers some people, like Tom Evans.
So he posts on his own site which he can moderate.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Oct 31, 2014 - 12:07am PT
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You're giving it up though, Dingus, legs in the air.
*Not sayin' yer sh#t ain't great
Best post today!
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Oct 31, 2014 - 02:46am PT
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Brand DMT.
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hooblie
climber
from out where the anecdotes roam
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Oct 31, 2014 - 04:44am PT
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ahem ... so, to trim or not to trim the topiary, that is the question?
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nah000
climber
canuckistan
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Oct 31, 2014 - 05:47am PT
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i smell a real opportunity for cmac...
rather than having to run around reading people's 14 page emails about all of the ways their butt was hurt and now they are leaving and want him to take his time to delete all of their posts, he should have a feedback form linked to paypal that says something like:
"To have all of your posts removed please send $1 per post to chris@supertopo.com via paypal. Upon payment all posts will be removed within 24 hours."
then when that takes off it's time to really profit:
"To have temporary access to edit your old drunken posts send $5 per post to chris@supertopo.com via paypal. Upon payment you will have 24 hours of access to bowdlerize your regretted contributions."
hahaha.
Chief:
the existing and potential advertising value of this forum, to the retail publishing arm of supertopo, is almost unquantifiable.
that said, due to the redheaded-step-child way this forum appears to be cared for sometimes, there has to be a large component of "d. masochistic delight" in there as well... hahaha.
i mean, who wouldn't want to receive daily emails about how "hotclimber21 is calling me names and jennie420 is posting more than i'd like. i need you to ban them!"
or the one i'm guilty of: emails with the subject line "Changes you need to make to SuperTopo"
hahaha.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Oct 31, 2014 - 08:15am PT
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uh
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Oct 31, 2014 - 09:38am PT
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Who cares? None of this is worth much of anything that is why I post it on the internet for free.
I had tens of thousands of pictures sitting around waiting for my computer to blow up when they would be lost so I use ST, facebook, ect as a giant flash drive. They organize it into categories for me and make it easy to write a story occasionally. Met some great people through here and replaced some of my tv watching time and desk boredom with something on a topic I love.
It seems to me if you are using it for much more than that you might want to look elsewhere.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Oct 31, 2014 - 09:49am PT
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you mean a check
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Oct 31, 2014 - 10:08am PT
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Because you are taking it way too seriously if that is the case.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Oct 31, 2014 - 10:14am PT
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Because you are taking it way too seriously if that is the case.
i do not think you take this place nearly seriously enough
i mean, do you even know how much copyrighted sh#t is on here
i didn't think so
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Mark Force
Trad climber
Cave Creek, AZ
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Oct 31, 2014 - 04:00pm PT
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Leave ST weird.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 31, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
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DMT,
Thanks for explaining.
After rereading your posts, I had misunderstood a bit.
You appreciate having the "[]Delete this post" box for the first post in a thread,
which does not disappear after 10 days, and does not require a request to management.
And you are OK with the thread staying in the index and not being locked if this first post is deleted, which agrees with most of my concerns.
I had thought you were talking about the more extreme "expunge option", i.e. asking management to delete all your posts from all threads.
This would have a bigger effect on discussion context.
Deleting a first post without removing the thread from the index
does not affect context as much, since it isn't in the "middle".
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McHale's Navy
Trad climber
From Panorama City, CA
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Oct 31, 2014 - 11:10pm PT
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Leave ST weird.
^^^^^^^^^^^
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Do nothing. Everything is fine.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Word whores.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Mar 10, 2015 - 08:55pm PT
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A button to click that sends you to a random page other than page one.
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Delhi Dog
climber
Good Question...
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Mar 10, 2015 - 09:00pm PT
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A button to click that sends you to a random page other than page one.
Actually I like that idea.
I'll often do that on the what are you listening to now thread...the only one I do, kinda cool really.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Mar 10, 2015 - 09:25pm PT
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laissez faire
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